Hi Margaret, This is strange. I looked at the Bishop's Transcript images on familysearch site for St. Hilda's and it clearly says that John was aged 29, same burial date. A big difference in the age!!! Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hall" <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps > > St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields > 18th April 1849 > WADE John > Aged 54 > By coroners warrant > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, r.smith45 <r.smith45@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Hello Ann, >> >> Some information on a likely John Wade sent off list, although the death >> is >> in 1849 and not 1844. It's certainly a possible and there is a death >> registered in the Jun qtr. 1849 for a John Wade at S.Shields Vol.24 Page >> 144. I couldn't find any death registered in 1844 in the area. >> >> Regards, >> Gillian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> >> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 >> >> >> > Good Morning everyone, >> > >> > >> > Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very >> > frosty! >> > And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. >> > >> > >> > >> > I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just >> > disappeared in between censuses. >> > >> > >> > Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. >> > His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a >> > shipwright. >> > >> > >> > This is an exception because I do know what happened:- >> > >> > Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a >> > tombstone >> > that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. >> > >> > >> > I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who >> disappeared >> > between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. >> > (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her >> > sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a >> > record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and >> > pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a >> > marriage is legal >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John >> > Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. >> > >> > >> > Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a >> > man >> > was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a >> > tombstone >> > ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or >> any >> > memorial / list at all? >> > >> > >> > >> > Curious Ann Lavery >> > >> >> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields 18th April 1849 WADE John Aged 54 By coroners warrant Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, r.smith45 <r.smith45@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hello Ann, > > Some information on a likely John Wade sent off list, although the death is > in 1849 and not 1844. It's certainly a possible and there is a death > registered in the Jun qtr. 1849 for a John Wade at S.Shields Vol.24 Page > 144. I couldn't find any death registered in 1844 in the area. > > Regards, > Gillian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> > To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:02 AM > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > > > > Good Morning everyone, > > > > > > Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very frosty! > > And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. > > > > > > > > I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just > > disappeared in between censuses. > > > > > > Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. > > His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a > > shipwright. > > > > > > This is an exception because I do know what happened:- > > > > Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a tombstone > > that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. > > > > > > I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who > disappeared > > between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. > > (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her > > sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a > > record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and > > pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a > > marriage is legal > > > > > > > > > > And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John > > Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. > > > > > > Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a man > > was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a tombstone > > ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or > any > > memorial / list at all? > > > > > > > > Curious Ann Lavery > > > >

Hello Ann, Some information on a likely John Wade sent off list, although the death is in 1849 and not 1844. It's certainly a possible and there is a death registered in the Jun qtr. 1849 for a John Wade at S.Shields Vol.24 Page 144. I couldn't find any death registered in 1844 in the area. Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Good Morning everyone, > > > Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very frosty! > And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. > > > > I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just > disappeared in between censuses. > > > Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. > His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a > shipwright. > > > This is an exception because I do know what happened:- > > Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a tombstone > that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. > > > I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who disappeared > between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. > (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her > sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a > record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and > pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a > marriage is legal > > > > > And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John > Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. > > > Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a man > was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a tombstone > ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or any > memorial / list at all? > > > > Curious Ann Lavery > > > > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ann If you check any grave yard around the coast you will find mention of drowned sailors or people lost at sea, some have mention on a stone but no body was ever found, others were found but with nothing to identify them , we have several in ours Of course, deaths were registered where they occurred, so if he died on a trip miles away he may be registered there and if there were no funds to bring the body home he may well be buried there too There is a separate GRO index for Marine deaths in the overseas indexes from 1837 but it was a largely hit and miss affair, and that is assuming there was an identifiable body found but its worth checking , if they appear in the index a death cert can be ordered in the normal way Apart from that there are the Consular returns from 1849 (again a separate GRO index in the overseas series) this would be where someone died at sea whilst sailing to a foreign Country and was reported to officials in the next port arrived at, the theory being that information would be passed back to the powers that be in the UK again it seems a hit and miss affair (more miss in my experience) If there was no identifiable body there would be no death certificate , there may have been an inquest so worth checking the newspapers In answer to your last part, if a body was not found there may have been a service for him/them but nothing may be recorded about it and as I said previously there may be a stone somewhere for him/them either at the place the event happened or at the home Parish of the parents or spouse There is also the chance your disappearing sailors simply found the grass was greener on the other side and stayed there :-) You have heard the term a girl in every port, I suspect it has some foundation in truth Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Good Morning everyone, > > Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very frosty! And here I am as > usual exercising my brain about Family History. > > I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just disappeared in between censuses. > > Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. His wife, Jane, had their > last child in September 1829, He was a shipwright. > > This is an exception because I do know what happened:- > > Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a tombstone that in 1844 he drowned > in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. > > I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who disappeared between 1851 and 71. > He was married to Ann Raffle. > (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her sister, Elizabeth, That > took me by surprise, but as I can't find a record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a > day 1871 - 81 and pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a marriage > is legal > > And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John Brown, a sailor, between > 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. > > Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a man was lost at sea, was > there a funeral, or memorial service, or a tombstone ( as in the case of John Wade, who is > mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or any memorial / list at all? > > Curious Ann Lavery

Ann, Sailors would have a burial in the church nearest to where their bodies were washed ashore. If you look at the coastal parishes of Northumberland, for example, there are a lot of burials like this, sometimes the bodies are identified, otherwise they are listed as "unknown". If a wreck has occurred close by then the name of the ship and its port is recorded. Not very helpful if you are looking for a death unless you have an idea of which ship they were on! Perhaps a listing of all such burials might be a good volunteer project, equivalent to census strays! If you are really lucky, the National Maritime Memorial website might have a name listed. Best wishes, Janet Rice -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 08 March 2011 08:02 To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Good Morning everyone, Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very frosty! And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just disappeared in between censuses. Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a shipwright. This is an exception because I do know what happened:- Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a tombstone that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who disappeared between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a marriage is legal And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a man was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a tombstone ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or any memorial / list at all? Curious Ann Lavery ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good Morning everyone, Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very frosty! And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just disappeared in between censuses. Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a shipwright. This is an exception because I do know what happened:- Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a tombstone that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who disappeared between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a marriage is legal And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a man was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a tombstone ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or any memorial / list at all? Curious Ann Lavery

What is the persons name? if you tell the rest of us who it is you are trying to find in the workhouse, or just in the South Shields area, maybe we can find him for you. You will find information about South Shields workhouse on this site. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ IN the left hand menu select Workhouse Locations, then scroll down to find English Poor Law Unions, then select County Durham (which comes under D in the listing), after that choose South Shields. Maybe in the 1861 census he was living at home. But perhaps by 1864 he was sick and just went into the workhouse infirmary where he died. Rather than his being an inmate of the workhouse itself. In 1861 he might not have been living in South Shields but in a place nearby. Are you restricting your search of the 1861 census to just a residence in South Shields? if so try leaving his residence as just County Durham, provided his name is not a very common one. It might mean your scrolling through long lists of names to try and find him. Could be long winded, but I have found sometimes that this is the only way. Especially if I have names that are easy to mis-transcribe, such as DeAngelis being transcribed as Tangelo in one census because the page is almost illegible. I only found the family by searching for the son who was born in Australia and had an Italian first name. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<I have found the death of a relative in 1864 who was a resident in the workhouse in South Shields, I have been on the Ancestry Site and have been unable to find any reference to this relative. I have tried, name, date of birth, workhouse, union workhouse, municipal workhouse to no avail. Does anyone have any idea how I can find any information on the 1861 Census before I blow a fuse.>>

Carol, I looked up the workhouse address on the excellent website www.workhouses.org.uk and the first South Shields workhouse, which covers 1864 was in German Street. A FindmyPast address search showed the inmates, unfortunately by initials only! If you give me your ancestor's name, I might be able to find him, unless you have FmP access yourself. I find looking for institutions on Ancestry pretty frustrating. Best wishes, Janet

Hello Can you please assist with my problem I have found the death of a relative in 1864 who was a resident in the workhouse in South Shields, I have been on the Ancestry Site and have been unable to find any reference to this relative. I have tried, name, date of birth, workhouse, union workhouse, municipal workhouse to no avail. Does anyone have any idea how I can find any information on the 1861 Census before I blow a fuse. Thank you Carol

Hi again Gen Well mine are very much in the area :-) My great grandfather was Henry Fenwick MALVIN b1851 Seaham Harbour (he was the second Henry Fenwick MALVIN, the first died) With the help :-) of Jane Ann OVINGTON they produced my grandfather Harry Malvin OVINGTON in 1874 at Middlesbrough Unfortunately Henry Fenwick MALVIN seems to have left something on the bus as he is never seen again ! (so any sighting by anyone would be much appreciated) Henry Fenwick MALVINs parents were Mark MALVIN b1825 Easington d1894 Redcar & Isabella FENWICK b1825 Dalton le Dale d1872 Stainton Grange Isabella FENWICKs parents were Henry FENWICK and Frances ????? Henry was variously described as a Countryman, a Labourer or a Farm Hind he was born Lanchester in 1790 Henrys parents were Michael FENWICK b1761 Lanchester and Catherine LINTON b1765 Brancepeth Michaels were Henry FENWICK & Jane ???? Anything you could add would be very interesting , particularly the whereabouts of Henry Fenwick MALVIN :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Yes I've been collecting stray FENWICK's for about 15 years on a separate database from my own family which contains FENWICK's back to the 1500's. This was started in the hope of solving several FENWICK mysteries. I've concentrated on NBL and DUR Fenwick's along with several who went off wandering away from the NE. Gen in NBL, UK

Yes I've been collecting stray FENWICK's for about 15 years on a separate database from my own family which contains FENWICK's back to the 1500's. This was started in the hope of solving several FENWICK mysteries. I've concentrated on NBL and DUR Fenwick's along with several who went off wandering away from the NE. Gen in NBL, UK > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com; dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] John Clerevaulx FENWICK > Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2011 10:58:00 +0000 > > Hi Gen > > Do I read your post correctly in that you have a one namer on FENWICK ? > > As I have a FENWICK connection > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > > Not quite an interloper..... after a quick look at the census, he was the son of Henry Percy > > Fenwick attorneys clerk of Newcastle and grandson of John Fenwick of Newcastle attorney at law who > > was living in some style at Leazes Terrace in 1861. This would need backing up with primary > > sources but it appears he was a Geordie once removed :-) > > Amusingly this 1861 census entry puts Newcastle in LEBANON! > > Gen in NBL UKFENWICK one-name study. >

Hi Gen Do I read your post correctly in that you have a one namer on FENWICK ? As I have a FENWICK connection Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > Not quite an interloper..... after a quick look at the census, he was the son of Henry Percy > Fenwick attorneys clerk of Newcastle and grandson of John Fenwick of Newcastle attorney at law who > was living in some style at Leazes Terrace in 1861. This would need backing up with primary > sources but it appears he was a Geordie once removed :-) > Amusingly this 1861 census entry puts Newcastle in LEBANON! > Gen in NBL UKFENWICK one-name study.

These transcription errors usually come about from the use of drop-down lists by the transcribers. They type in the first few letters and the list 'suggests' a possbile placename which is very easy for the transcriber to select. The 1861 census on Ancestry reveals that no fewer than 360 people were born in 'Western Sahara' Durham, England, although they were born in Esh. ESH is the three letter country code for Western Sahara, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_3166-1_alpha-3 Stan On 3 March 2011 10:50, gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Not quite an interloper.....  after a quick look at the census, he was the son of Henry Percy Fenwick attorneys clerk of Newcastle and grandson of John Fenwick of Newcastle attorney at law who was living in some style at Leazes Terrace in 1861. This would need backing up with primary sources but it appears he was a Geordie once removed :-) > Amusingly this 1861 census entry puts Newcastle in LEBANON! > Gen in NBL UKFENWICK one-name study. > >> From: ovington1@sky.com >> To: invalidaddress@optusnet.com.au; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com >> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:51:32 +0000 >> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] John Clerevaulx FENWICK >> >> Hi Alan >> >> It seems he was an interloper look you :-) >> >> The nearest birth I can find is :- >> >> Births Jun 1885 >> Fenwick John Clervausl Cardiff 11a 245 >> >> I suspect it should read Clervaulx >> >> Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) >> >> >> >> >> > Was checking out grave photographs in  New Zealand when I >> > came across this >> > No relation to me but perhaps may be of interest to some one >> > else >> > >> > regards >> > Alan >> > Melbourne Australia >> > >> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/porkynz/3411179776/ >> > >> > John Clerevaulx FENWICK >> > of Newcastle-on-Tyne who departed this life October 25 1912 >> > aged 27 years >> > "Ye did it unto me" >> >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Not quite an interloper..... after a quick look at the census, he was the son of Henry Percy Fenwick attorneys clerk of Newcastle and grandson of John Fenwick of Newcastle attorney at law who was living in some style at Leazes Terrace in 1861. This would need backing up with primary sources but it appears he was a Geordie once removed :-) Amusingly this 1861 census entry puts Newcastle in LEBANON! Gen in NBL UKFENWICK one-name study. > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: invalidaddress@optusnet.com.au; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 23:51:32 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] John Clerevaulx FENWICK > > Hi Alan > > It seems he was an interloper look you :-) > > The nearest birth I can find is :- > > Births Jun 1885 > Fenwick John Clervausl Cardiff 11a 245 > > I suspect it should read Clervaulx > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > Was checking out grave photographs in New Zealand when I > > came across this > > No relation to me but perhaps may be of interest to some one > > else > > > > regards > > Alan > > Melbourne Australia > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/porkynz/3411179776/ > > > > John Clerevaulx FENWICK > > of Newcastle-on-Tyne who departed this life October 25 1912 > > aged 27 years > > "Ye did it unto me" > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Was checking out grave photographs in New Zealand when I came across this No relation to me but perhaps may be of interest to some one else regards Alan Melbourne Australia http://www.flickr.com/photos/porkynz/3411179776/ John Clerevaulx FENWICK of Newcastle-on-Tyne who departed this life October 25 1912 aged 27 years "Ye did it unto me"

In view of the recent correspondence about FENWICKs, I'd just like to mention a brick wall of mine. I don't expect specific details but if anyone has advice on how to proceed, I'd be grateful. Looking for Eleanor FENWICK who married James MCCLOUD (MC LOWD, MCLEOD etc) in Sunderland 30 Sep 1769. They had at least one daughter Esther bap in 1772. Cheers, Irene

Hi Alan It seems he was an interloper look you :-) The nearest birth I can find is :- Births Jun 1885 Fenwick John Clervausl Cardiff 11a 245 I suspect it should read Clervaulx Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Was checking out grave photographs in New Zealand when I > came across this > No relation to me but perhaps may be of interest to some one > else > > regards > Alan > Melbourne Australia > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/porkynz/3411179776/ > > John Clerevaulx FENWICK > of Newcastle-on-Tyne who departed this life October 25 1912 > aged 27 years > "Ye did it unto me"

I am researching the family of Thomas Henry DIXON 1896-1947, born in South Shields, Durham. He married Mary Louisa HUTCHEON 1898-1974 (b. South Shields) 25 December 1919 St. Michael's Church, South Westoe, Durham Thomas Henry's parents were Joseph Davidson Lynn DIXON 1866-1928 South Shields and Jane Ellen WRIGHT, b. 1869 in Deven Mary Louisa's parents were William Daniel HUTCHEON 1865-1918 b. Aberdeen Scotland and Eleanor SHORT 1867-1937 b. Jarrow, Durahm Does anyone have any information on these families? Jennifer Rogers

In The North-Eastern Daily Gazette (Middlesbrough, England), Tuesday, February 07, 1888. Sir Henry Ponsonby, Controller of the Queen's Household, writing to an applicant for the "Queen's Bounty" said that the Queen sometimes gives a donation to the mother of three children, but there is no such thing as the "Queen's Bounty". It is merely a charitable donation granted to assist the poor and indigent in the unforseen demands caused by additions to their families. In a newspaper in 1858, a woman in Canterbury received £6 which is £2 for each child. In 1899 a woman in Leicestershire received £3, that is £1 for each child. Although one publication, in 1893, says that Her Majesty invariably makes a present of three guineas to the parents of triplets. The bounty was abolished by Queen Elizabeth II in 1957, Stan On 22 February 2011 23:08, Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> wrote: > I've had a look in "19th Century British Library newspapers" for you. The "Queen's Bounty" was £3 and application seems to usually have been made by a clergyman on behalf of the parents. I found no mentions of Riches receiving it. > > Regards, > Adi > > --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Elizabeth Pugh <elp@northwestel.net> wrote: > > > > >From checking Free BMD it seems the triplets died soon after birth (all registered in the Dec quarter of 1887) so I don't suppose poor Mr and Mrs Riches got their 'Queen's bounty' > > Elizabeth Pugh > Yukon, Canada > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I've had a look in "19th Century British Library newspapers" for you. The "Queen's Bounty" was £3 and application seems to usually have been made by a clergyman on behalf of the parents. I found no mentions of Riches receiving it.   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 2/22/11, Elizabeth Pugh <elp@northwestel.net> wrote: >From checking Free BMD it seems the triplets died soon after birth (all registered in the Dec quarter of 1887) so I don't suppose poor Mr and Mrs Riches got their 'Queen's bounty' Elizabeth Pugh Yukon, Canada