Can I add to Ruth's suggestion that you also keep a record of where you have been on each census in your life time, and who you lived with. In other words repeat past census records for yourself and your ancestors. Heather On 27/03/2011 9:31 AM, Acorn Cottage wrote: > To anyone who hasn't yet posted off their census form, why not fill it in > online and put the paper version in your archives? > > Ruth in Hampshire > >

It will be "The Hospital of God in Greatham, in the County Palatine of Durham". The in-brethren received a pension of £12 yearly, together with rooms, liberal board, attendance, clothing, gas, firing and medical attendance; and the out-brethren £26 yearly, and medical attendance. The Hospital was founded in 1262 by Robert Stichell, Bishop of Durham, rebuilt in 1803, and enlarged in 1868. It still exists, http://www.hospitalofgod.org.uk/housing-services/almshouses.html Why not contact them? Stan On 26 March 2011 14:26, Acorn Cottage <orange.wasps@live.co.uk> wrote: > > Dear All > > Christopher Dee (in the 1881 census) is an Out-Pensioner of Greatham > Hospital.  Does anyone know where the records of the awards of pensions > would be kept?  I tried the Durham Record Office Catalogue without success. > > Ruth in Hampshire > > > > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear All Christopher Dee (in the 1881 census) is an Out-Pensioner of Greatham Hospital. Does anyone know where the records of the awards of pensions would be kept? I tried the Durham Record Office Catalogue without success. Ruth in Hampshire

On 22/03/2011, at 6:01 PM, dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to > DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com > that contains in the body of the message the command > unsubscribe > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: FENWICK in Morpeth? (gen listlass) > 2. Re: FENWICK in Morpeth? (gen listlass) > > From: gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> > Date: 21 March 2011 9:20:52 PM > To: DUR-NBL list <dur-nbl-l@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > > > > Hello Michaela > I checked the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) > for a marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. > There were none in any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton > Toll, Gretna Hall etc). > The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK Thomas > JOHNSON Martha > both of Chester le Street Co Durham > Only the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick > was a common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann > Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in > the N. E. > > Gen in NBL England > From: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100 > > > > Hi, Thanks for your information, this seems to be a bit of a brick > wall! I had the 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that > gave me the birth places. I think I will have to order the most > likely death certificates and see if that gives me anything that > narrows down the birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple > comes from Anne’s birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea > where the family may have originated. I managed to trace Robert > (brother from the census below) in later census records and after he > was widowed with small children in 1861 census he seems to have > moved to Yorkshire by 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has > any significance? Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM > To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for > the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the > 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate > Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 > Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert > Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne > Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: > Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: > Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: > 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born > in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on > the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the > Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages > 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non- > Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E > to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non- > Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they > could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name > and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. > Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border > marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels > especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at > Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you > like. Gen in NBL, UK > > > > From: gen listlass <genlistlass@hotmail.com> > Date: 21 March 2011 9:34:08 PM > To: <michaela1@netspace.net.au>, DUR-NBL mailing list <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > > > > So back to the previous suggestion of ALL the non-Con chapels in > Newcastle. > See http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html > > > Gen in NBL England > > From: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:26:11 +1100 > > > > > > Hi, Thanks again for your efforts, I agree that this one doesn’t > really fit as it is probably a bit late anyway given the older > children mentioned in the 1841 (although they could of course have > been from a previous marriage!). Thanks Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 9:21 PM > To: DUR-NBL list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hello Michaela I checked > the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) for a > marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. There were none in > any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton Toll, Gretna Hall > etc). The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK > Thomas > JOHNSON Martha both of Chester le Street Co Durham Only > the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick was a > common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann > Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in > the N. E. Gen in NBL EnglandFrom: michaela1@netspace.net.au > To: genlistlass@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? > Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100Hi, Thanks for your > information, this seems to be a bit of a brick wall! I had the > 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that gave me the birth > places. I think I will have to order the most likely death > certificates and see if that gives me anything that narrows down the > birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple comes from Anne’s > birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea where the family > may have originated. I managed to trace Robert (brother from the > census below) in later census records and after he was widowed with > small children in 1861 census he seems to have moved to Yorkshire by > 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has any significance? > Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com > ] > Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM > To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list > Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for > the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the > 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate > Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 > Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert > Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne > Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: > Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: > Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: > 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born > in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on > the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the > Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages > 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non- > Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E > to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non- > Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they > could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name > and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. > Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border > marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels > especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at > Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you > like. Gen in NBL, UK > > > To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > . > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. joan armstrong joanie.carter@optusnet.com.au

So back to the previous suggestion of ALL the non-Con chapels in Newcastle. See http://www.genuki.bpears.org.uk/NBL/Newcastle/nonconf.html Gen in NBL England From: michaela1@netspace.net.au To: genlistlass@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 21:26:11 +1100 Hi, Thanks again for your efforts, I agree that this one doesn’t really fit as it is probably a bit late anyway given the older children mentioned in the 1841 (although they could of course have been from a previous marriage!). Thanks Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 21 March 2011 9:21 PM To: DUR-NBL list Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hello Michaela I checked the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) for a marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. There were none in any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton Toll, Gretna Hall etc). The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK Thomas JOHNSON Martha both of Chester le Street Co Durham Only the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick was a common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in the N. E. Gen in NBL EnglandFrom: michaela1@netspace.net.au To: genlistlass@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100Hi, Thanks for your information, this seems to be a bit of a brick wall! I had the 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that gave me the birth places. I think I will have to order the most likely death certificates and see if that gives me anything that narrows down the birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple comes from Anne’s birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea where the family may have originated. I managed to trace Robert (brother from the census below) in later census records and after he was widowed with small children in 1861 census he seems to have moved to Yorkshire by 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has any significance? Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non-Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non-Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you like. Gen in NBL, UK

Hello Michaela I checked the Border Marriages for you at NBL Archives (Woodhorn) for a marriage between Thomas FENWICK and Ann Kepple. There were none in any of the Border places of marriage (Lamberton Toll, Gretna Hall etc). The only possibility was at Gretna Hall 10 June 1837FENWICK Thomas JOHNSON Martha both of Chester le Street Co Durham Only the groom is correct there, not the bride! As Thomas Fenwick was a common name, it's not a likely match. If the name had been Ann Kepple, I would be more convinced, due to a scarcity of Kepple's in the N. E. Gen in NBL England From: michaela1@netspace.net.au To: genlistlass@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 21:42:09 +1100 Hi, Thanks for your information, this seems to be a bit of a brick wall! I had the 1841 census record also, and it was the 1851 that gave me the birth places. I think I will have to order the most likely death certificates and see if that gives me anything that narrows down the birth records and thus parents names. The Kepple comes from Anne’s birth and marriage certificates but I have no idea where the family may have originated. I managed to trace Robert (brother from the census below) in later census records and after he was widowed with small children in 1861 census he seems to have moved to Yorkshire by 1871 in same trade. I don’t know if that has any significance? Thanks again Michaela From: gen listlass [mailto:genlistlass@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 14 March 2011 9:15 PM To: michaela1@netspace.net.au; DUR-NBL mailing list Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] FENWICK in Morpeth? Hi Michaela Been away for the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851 Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438887. Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages 1813-1837 CD. I suspect they were married in one of the many non-Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non-Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. Where did you get Kepple from? Another possibility is a Border marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you like. Gen in NBL, UK

Hi Michaela Been away for the weekend hence the delay in answering. I see the family on the 1841 census living in the back lane of Wellington St Westgate Newcastle, not far from Spring Garden Lane where they were in 1851Thomas Fenwick 45 cartmanAnn Fenwick 45Robert Fenwick 15 leather shaverMary Fenwick 12Anne Fenwick 2John Fenwick 4 MO All born in NBL ! Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 824; Book: 7; Civil Parish: St John; County: Northumberland; Enumeration District: 1a; Folio: 29; Page: 10; Line: 14; GSU roll: 438887.Ann Kepple later indicated that she was born in Durham Sadberge but there are no marriages for Fenwick/Kepple on the durhamrecordsonline.com site or as I mentioned before on the Durham Marriages 1813-1837 CD or the Northumberland Marriages 1813-1837 CD.I suspect they were married in one of the many non-Conformist chapels in Newcastle and later re-married in the C of E to make it legal or vise versa. They couldn't marry legally in a non-Conformist chapel until 1838. But this is just a theory as they could have been married anywhere. Kepple is not an North East name and I suspect maybe it is a mangled version of something similar. Where did you get Kepple from?Another possibility is a Border marriage, couples sometimes married in one of the Border chapels especially if they were non-Conformist. The records for these are at Woodhorn archives. I could check these for you on Wednesday if you like. Gen in NBL, UK

Hi All, I am new to this list and research in this area. I recently found my gggrandmother's birth certificate indicating that Annie FENWICK was born on 27/12/1838 in Spring Garden, Westgate, Northumberland to Thomas FENWICK and Ann KEPPLE. A search of census records in Westagate in 1841 estimated his birth year as 1796 in Northumberland, and 1851 as 1793 in Morpeth. I could not locate a definite 1861 entry for him and according to his daughter's marriage cerificate in 1866 he was deceased. Most records found so far give his occupation as cartman although in the 1866 marriage certificate he was described as a Time keeper at Chemical Works (her deceased first husband also worked at a Chemical Works). Does anyone have access to records of birth from 1790s Morpeth or have ideas for narrowing down death records in Westgate in 1850s or 1860s. Annie FENWICK's first marriage certificate in 1858 does not indicate that Thomas FENWICK was deceased. She was married in the United Presbyterian Church at Cl? ing Place Chapel in Newcastle Upon Tyne. I don't know if others of the family were the same faith. According to the 1841 and 1851 census records Ann KEPPLE was born around 1801 in Northumberland or 1799 in Sadbury (Sudbury?). Anyone able to access records from this area? No obvious 1861 match and definitely deceased prior to 1866. Any help with identifying birth or death records for Annie's parents much appreciated. Thanks Michaela Hobart, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------ This email was sent from Netspace Webmail: http://www.netspace.net.au

Because you mentioned Presbyterian baptisms I looked at Morpeth St. George and found another possiblity Mark and Thomas Fenwick born 16 Apr 1792, baptised 19 Apr 1792 sons of John and Alice, Hepscot Moorhouse. Janis

Do you have children's names besides the daughter Ann? I see 2 baptisms in Morpeth that are close in the years you are looking at. Thomas Fenwick born 7 Jan 1793, baptised 24 Mar 1893 s/o George and Ann, then another Thomas Fenwick born 18 Jan 1795 and baptised 13 Mar 1795 s/o Edward and Alice. Janis

Barbara - how about a few more details, what else have you got? Have you any approximate dates or other family members? Lancelot On holiday in Mandurah, Australia > I am looking for information for the following 2 surnames Wilson - Matthew > and Elizabeth of Northumberland - were living in Newcastle > > Dickinson - Robert and Dorothy of Northumberland > Thanks > Barbara > Kamloops,B.C.

Hello Michaela The LDS pilot site has the Durham/Northumberland BTs available on line. Go to www.http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start and from the lower left hand side of your screen just follow the leads. ie Search and Browse our Records All records Europe Browse collections scroll down to United Kingdom and you will find three relevant Durham/Northumberland choices. Scroll up and maybe the England and Wales Non Conformist records index will have something of interest to you. You will have a lot of pages to browse through but hopefully you will find what you are looking for. Good luck! Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

Hello list members, Today I received a marriage certificate for William Wigham a Painter, glazier of Queen Street, Newcastle, son of Thomas Wigham an Iron Roller and Margaret Macdonald of Pilgrim Street, Newcastle, daughter of John Macdonald a gardener. They were married at the Registry Office on 9 August 1841, Newcastle upon Tyne. I have located both the Wigham family residing at Gateshead, Durham and Macdonald family residing at Newcastle upon Tyne in the 1841 census. Thomas Wigham died between the 1841 and 1851 census'. The Macdonald family minus Margaret and husband emigrated to New Zealand in 1843. I am trying to find out what happened to Margaret and William Wigham as I cannot find them in the 1851 census. Does anyone have this Wigham family in your tree please? Cheers, Diane New Zealand

I am looking for information for the following 2 surnames Wilson - Matthew and Elizabeth of Northumberland - were living in Newcastle Dickinson - Robert and Dorothy of Northumberland Thanks Barbara Kamloops,B.C.

Hello Ann, I wrote to the Local Studies Librarian in South Shields Library and this is her reply unfortunately the present Adam & Eve pub does post date 1850. For anyone with South Shields connections take a look at the old photos on the website you may find a building or street connected to your family names. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello Margaret Apparently the pub is still there and as far as we are aware it is still open. It is at Laygate. There is a photograph of the pub as it was on our website: www.southtynesideimages.org.uk Hope this helps, and that you are well. Kind regards Anne Local Studies Librarian -----Original Message----- From: Margaret Hall [mailto:mgt.hall.17@gmail.com] Sent: 11 March 2011 09:36 To: Anne Sharp Subject: Adam & Eve public house Hi Anne, There has been some correspondence on a mailing list recently and this came in from the original poster this morning. Have you any idea where the Adam & Eve pub she mentions is or was please? Margaret. -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ann Sent: 11 March 2011 07:52 To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] John wade and the Raffle family. My thanks to all of you who responded to my request about this family, I think we can agree that John Wade was 29 when he and his mates were capsized out of a boat taking to and fro on the Tyne whilst fitting out the East indiaman, Havering. What a tragic end. i found out he existed a few weeks ago when someone on this post sent me a copy of Raffle tombstone from Harton, or was it Westoe. The discovery of the Raffle memorial was one of those Eureka moments for me! I usually write to say thankyou but I can't find this message, so perhaps I forgot to do this. Anyway, thank you for the photo of the tombstone, and where did you find it and are there any more of them? Does anyone know when the Adam and Eve pub was built? Margaret Raffle was publican in the 1850s, but it is possible that the present building postdates her time there. I also found Margaret's web site very interesting. Some good leads there! Ann Lavery

My thanks to all of you who responded to my request about this family, I think we can agree that John Wade was 29 when he and his mates were capsized out of a boat taking to and fro on the Tyne whilst fitting out the East indiaman, Havering. What a tragic end. i found out he existed a few weeks ago when someone on this post sent me a copy of Raffle tombstone from Harton, or was it Westoe. The discovery of the Raffle memorial was one of those Eureka moments for me! I usually write to say thankyou but I can't find this message, so perhaps I forgot to do this. Anyway, thank you for the photo of the tombstone, and where did you find it and are there any more of them? Does anyone know when the Adam and Eve pub was built? Margaret Raffle was publican in the 1850s, but it is possible that the present building postdates her time there. I also found Margaret's web site very interesting. Some good leads there! Ann Lavery -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-request <dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com> To: dur-nbl <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 3:10 Subject: DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 33 Administrivia: To unsubscribe from DUR-NBL-D, send a message to DUR-NBL-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the DUR-NBL-D list administrator, send mail to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as Parish Registers? (Roy Stockdill) 2. Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as Parish Registers? (Margaret Hall) Attached Message From: Roy Stockdill <roy.stockdill@btinternet.com> To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same asParish Registers? Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:47:38 -0000 On 9 Mar 2011 at 2:46, gen listlass wrote: > > I have come across lots of instances in Christ Church, Tynemouth > > where the Parish Register & the Bishops Transcripts do not agree > > with each other. > > > > Margaret Hall > > Wallsend > > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > This is interesting Margaret. It's something I hadn't realised! > However sometimes the Bishops Transcripts are the only information > left available if the parish registers are lost or missing. Gen in NBL > UK > I rather thought it was widely known that the parish registers and bishop's transcripts don't always agree with one another - which is why it's always best to search both, if possible. The reasons why there may be discrepancies are obvious: the PRs and the BTs may not have been written at the same time or even by the same person. Many vicars were of a "bolshy" turn of mind and resented anything that involved them in extra work, so they might leave the writing up of the BTs to the last minute and then rush through them, copying out details from the registers and making mistakes. Or they may have had a curate or clerk write them up and if he had difficulty with the vicar's writing - well ! The reason why the BTs sometimes survive for periods where the registers have gone is because while the registers remained in the church (and got lost, burnt, eaten by mice, etc), the BTs had to go to the diocesan office for safe keeping and in most cases this became the county record office, so their survival rate is often greater for some parishes than the registers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE Attached Message From: Margaret Hall <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: 'r.smith45' <r.smith45@ntlworld.com>; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] Renamed - Bishops transcripts NOT the same as ParishRegisters? Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2011 23:53:41 -0000 I looked for this death in the Parish Register today and can confirm the age at death was 29yrs; the burial was by coroners warrant. It was the transcription that was wrong. All I can say is I am glad the transcription wasn't one of mine. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: r.smith45 [mailto:r.smith45@ntlworld.com] Sent: 08 March 2011 20:13 To: Margaret Hall; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com; Ann Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Hi Margaret, This is strange. I looked at the Bishop's Transcript images on familysearch site for St. Hilda's and it clearly says that John was aged 29, same burial date. A big difference in the age!!! Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hall" <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps > > St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields > 18th April 1849 > WADE John > Aged 54 > By coroners warrant > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > > > To contact the DUR-NBL list administrator, send an email to DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the DUR-NBL mailing list, send an email to DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text.

I looked for this death in the Parish Register today and can confirm the age at death was 29yrs; the burial was by coroners warrant. It was the transcription that was wrong. All I can say is I am glad the transcription wasn't one of mine. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: r.smith45 [mailto:r.smith45@ntlworld.com] Sent: 08 March 2011 20:13 To: Margaret Hall; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com; Ann Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Hi Margaret, This is strange. I looked at the Bishop's Transcript images on familysearch site for St. Hilda's and it clearly says that John was aged 29, same burial date. A big difference in the age!!! Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hall" <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps > > St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields > 18th April 1849 > WADE John > Aged 54 > By coroners warrant > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > > >

On 9 Mar 2011 at 2:46, gen listlass wrote: > > I have come across lots of instances in Christ Church, Tynemouth > > where the Parish Register & the Bishops Transcripts do not agree > > with each other. > > > > Margaret Hall > > Wallsend > > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > This is interesting Margaret. It's something I hadn't realised! > However sometimes the Bishops Transcripts are the only information > left available if the parish registers are lost or missing. Gen in NBL > UK > I rather thought it was widely known that the parish registers and bishop's transcripts don't always agree with one another - which is why it's always best to search both, if possible. The reasons why there may be discrepancies are obvious: the PRs and the BTs may not have been written at the same time or even by the same person. Many vicars were of a "bolshy" turn of mind and resented anything that involved them in extra work, so they might leave the writing up of the BTs to the last minute and then rush through them, copying out details from the registers and making mistakes. Or they may have had a curate or clerk write them up and if he had difficulty with the vicar's writing - well ! The reason why the BTs sometimes survive for periods where the registers have gone is because while the registers remained in the church (and got lost, burnt, eaten by mice, etc), the BTs had to go to the diocesan office for safe keeping and in most cases this became the county record office, so their survival rate is often greater for some parishes than the registers. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

> I have come across lots of instances in Christ Church, Tynemouth where the > Parish Register & the Bishops Transcripts do not agree with each other. > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com This is interesting Margaret. It's something I hadn't realised! However sometimes the Bishops Transcripts are the only information left available if the parish registers are lost or missing. Gen in NBL UK

Hi Gillian, I took the burial for John Wade from a transcription of the records I have. I will check the Parish Register to cross reference the two versions. I have come across lots of instances in Christ Church, Tynemouth where the Parish Register & the Bishops Transcripts do not agree with each other. Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: r.smith45 [mailto:r.smith45@ntlworld.com] Sent: 08 March 2011 20:13 To: Margaret Hall; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com; Ann Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 Hi Margaret, This is strange. I looked at the Bishop's Transcript images on familysearch site for St. Hilda's and it clearly says that John was aged 29, same burial date. A big difference in the age!!! Regards, Gillian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Hall" <mgt.hall.17@gmail.com> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com>; "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 > Here is the burial for the John WADE in the email below - hope it helps > > St Hilda's Churchyard South Shields > 18th April 1849 > WADE John > Aged 54 > By coroners warrant > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com > > > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 4:16 PM, r.smith45 <r.smith45@ntlworld.com> wrote: > >> Hello Ann, >> >> Some information on a likely John Wade sent off list, although the death >> is >> in 1849 and not 1844. It's certainly a possible and there is a death >> registered in the Jun qtr. 1849 for a John Wade at S.Shields Vol.24 Page >> 144. I couldn't find any death registered in 1844 in the area. >> >> Regards, >> Gillian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ann" <annathamble@aol.com> >> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 8:02 AM >> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] DUR-NBL Digest, Vol 6, Issue 30 >> >> >> > Good Morning everyone, >> > >> > >> > Lovely sunny morning here in Warwickshire, but very cold and very >> > frosty! >> > And here I am as usual exercising my brain about Family History. >> > >> > >> > >> > I have found a number of relatives who were sailors, and just >> > disappeared in between censuses. >> > >> > >> > Thomas Rutherford b c 1790, of South Shields, disappeared after 1829. >> > His wife, Jane, had their last child in September 1829, He was a >> > shipwright. >> > >> > >> > This is an exception because I do know what happened:- >> > >> > Elizabeth Raffle married John Wade in 1844, and I know from a >> > tombstone >> > that in 1844 he drowned in the River Tyne. He too was a shipwright. >> > >> > >> > I can't find the death of George/Thomas Ripppn, a sailor, who >> disappeared >> > between 1851 and 71. He was married to Ann Raffle. >> > (Ann Raffle married a second time to Robert Wilson, the widower of her >> > sister, Elizabeth, That took me by surprise, but as I can't find a >> > record for this perhaps they went to Newcastle for a day 1871 - 81 and >> > pretended they got married) According to the affinity tables such a >> > marriage is legal >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > And my last mystery with this this family is the disappearance of John >> > Brown, a sailor, between 1864 and 71. Hi wife was Margaret Raffle. >> > >> > >> > Is there a register of men lost at sea from Tyneside shipping. If a >> > man >> > was lost at sea, was there a funeral, or memorial service, or a >> > tombstone >> > ( as in the case of John Wade, who is mentioned on a Raffle tomb). Or >> any >> > memorial / list at all? >> > >> > >> > >> > Curious Ann Lavery >> > >> >> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message