Hi Stan, Many thanks for this information, but do you know which is the Diocesan Registry for Hexham? Is it Northumberland or York? I'm not sure who to contact. Kind regards, Yvonne > Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Marriage Licences for Hexham marriages A visit to the clergyman issuing the licence resulted in three documents, an allegation or affidavit, a marriage bond and the licence. The actual licence was issued to the bridegroom who presented it to the priest conducting the marriage. The licence could then have been kept by the priest, or returned to the diocesan registries, or given to the couple on their wedding day and kept within the family, but usually does not survive. The allegation and bond would filed in the Diocesan Registry. Stan

A visit to the clergyman issuing the licence resulted in three documents, an allegation or affidavit, a marriage bond and the licence. The actual licence was issued to the bridegroom who presented it to the priest conducting the marriage. The licence could then have been kept by the priest, or returned to the diocesan registries, or given to the couple on their wedding day and kept within the family, but usually does not survive. The allegation and bond would filed in the Diocesan Registry. Stan On 16 April 2011 17:17, YvonnePurdy <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> wrote: > Dear all, > > I want to try and obtain copies of licences for two marriages which took place in Hexham: > > 1 Aug 1711 > > SCOTT, Mr Jn. of Alnwick, surgeon & apothecary to Mrs Ann Dawson, spr., Lic. > > 27 Feb 1793 > > ORD, Wm otp. Lic to GREY, Eliz. otp > Witnesses: Mat. POOLE, J. WATSON > > I've tried twice to ring Northumberland Archives, but no reply.  Does anyone know where these licences might > be kept? > > Also, are there likely to be any records for John SCOTT, surgeon & apothecary, above.  I was thinking he must > have been apprenticed to become a surgeon & apothecary, or something like that? > > Many thanks for any help. > > Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy > > > > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear all, I want to try and obtain copies of licences for two marriages which took place in Hexham: 1 Aug 1711 SCOTT, Mr Jn. of Alnwick, surgeon & apothecary to Mrs Ann Dawson, spr., Lic. 27 Feb 1793 ORD, Wm otp. Lic to GREY, Eliz. otp Witnesses: Mat. POOLE, J. WATSON I've tried twice to ring Northumberland Archives, but no reply. Does anyone know where these licences might be kept? Also, are there likely to be any records for John SCOTT, surgeon & apothecary, above. I was thinking he must have been apprenticed to become a surgeon & apothecary, or something like that? Many thanks for any help. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

I am writing on behalf of a third party who does not have Internet access. This lady is seeking to establish contact with the LENEHAN/LENEHEN families who were involved in the Palmer Ship yards on the River Tyne. The parents ex Ireland were born about 1850 so children working at the ship yards would have been born approximately 1870 or later. The lady is willing to phone England if need be Please reply initially to this email with contact details if you can help re either the ship yards or families thanks Alan Melbourne Australia

There is this family in the 1881 Census, living at 1, Short Row, Jarrow John Leneham 28, born Ireland, General Labourer Mary Leneham 30, born Ireland Patrick Leneham 5 Mary J. Leneham 2 Stan On 14 April 2011 11:21, Alan <invalidaddress@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > I am writing on behalf of a third party who does not have > Internet access. > > This lady is seeking to establish contact with the > LENEHAN/LENEHEN families who were involved in the Palmer > Ship yards on the River Tyne. > > The parents ex Ireland were born about 1850 so children > working at the ship yards would have been born approximately > 1870 or later. > > The lady is willing to phone England if need be > > Please reply initially to this email with contact details if > you can help re either the ship yards or families > > thanks > > Alan > Melbourne > Australia > > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There is an entry for Palmers at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmers_Shipbuilding_and_Iron_Company Stan On 14 April 2011 11:21, Alan <invalidaddress@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > I am writing on behalf of a third party who does not have > Internet access. > > This lady is seeking to establish contact with the > LENEHAN/LENEHEN families who were involved in the Palmer > Ship yards on the River Tyne. > > The parents ex Ireland were born about 1850 so children > working at the ship yards would have been born approximately > 1870 or later. > > The lady is willing to phone England if need be > > Please reply initially to this email with contact details if > you can help re either the ship yards or families > > thanks > > Alan > Melbourne > Australia > > > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for the link Adi. Strangely I am getting far fewer results than when I last used this resource, using the same searches. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mme_N_Carmichael" <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 7:35 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Free Trial April 10-24/11 of Gale Newspaper Databases My apologies. A moment ago, I was so eager to send the link that I omitted to fill in the subject line. Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 4/12/11, Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> wrote: From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> Subject: [DUR-NBL] (no subject) To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Received: Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 2:27 AM Dear all, It's here again. Here's the link: http://www.gale.cengage.com/NLW/ and Happy Hunting. Regards, Adi

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Hello June, Thank you for your message. I can't see an obvious connection at the moment, due to the fact that the particular Ord line I'm researching at present were originally called Scott, but had to change to Ord in order to inherit from Elizabeth Armstrong (nee Ord) of Hexham's 1770 will. My line of Ords are from Whitley Chapel, Hexhamshire, and earlier Brokenheugh in Haydon Bridge. Elizabeth Armstrong (nee Ord) had a sister Dorcas Ord who married Thomas Errington and are my direct line. I'm trying to discover if the Scott family who changed to Ord were related in some way. I wonder if your William and Jane Ord are the couple who live in South Shields through the census? You probably already know that the Ancestry probate calendar for 1863 shows William Ord as dying on 24 August 1862 at South Shields, and leaving a will? With my kind regards, Yvonne > From: June Vasey [mailto:junev@aberl.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 06 April 2011 08:56 To: YvonnePurdy; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] William and Elizabeth ORD Hello Yvonne I have a William Ord b.1798 East Jarrow who married a Jane Thompson b. 1799 Tynemouth. They were married at Christ Church Tynemouth. William was a master mariner. Cannot get back any further at the moment, but do you think you may have a connection with this Ord branch? regards June <

Hi Margaret, So very many thanks for your wonderful help, and so quickly too. I very much appreciate it. As ever in family history, the answer to one question raises another. My friend and I are researching this family. She always thought that Elizabeth Ord predeceased William Ord, as seems to be borne out by these records, yet when Barbara and Elizabeth Poole applied to administer William Ord's will, it specifically says: "Whereas William Ord formerly of Nether Ardley but late of Walker Place in the parish of Tynemouth in the County of Northumberland Gentleman deceased having whilst living, and at the Time of his death, Goods, Chattels, or Credits in divers Dioceses or Jurisdictions did make his will (hereunto annexed) and did therein name his wife Elizabeth Ord and his nieces Barbara Poole and Elizabeth Poole Spinsters Executrixes And whereas the said Elizabeth Ord survived the said Deceased but is since dead and the said Barbara Poole and Elizabeth Poole" etc. I don't know what to make of this situation. Does anyone have any suggestions? Kind regards, and again many thanks, Margaret. Yvonne > From: Margaret Hall [mailto:mgt.hall.17@gmail.com] Sent: 05 April 2011 17:05 To: 'YvonnePurdy'; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] William and Elizabeth ORD Hi Yvonne, Not sure if I have the correct couple but these burials are from Wallsend St Peter churchyard. 19.06.1830 ORD Elizabeth wife of William North Shields 75 08.11.1832 ORD William Walker Place, North Shields 76 Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com <

Hi Yvonne, Not sure if I have the correct couple but these burials are from Wallsend St Peter churchyard. 19.06.1830 ORD Elizabeth wife of William North Shields 75 08.11.1832 ORD William Walker Place, North Shields 76 Margaret Hall Wallsend www.margaret-hall-genealogy.com -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of YvonnePurdy Sent: 05 April 2011 16:45 To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] William and Elizabeth ORD Hi all, I would appreciate some help, if possible. William ORD, was living at Walker Place, parish of Tynemouth when he died on 5 November 1832. His wife Elizabeth ORD survived him, but had died by 8 November 1833, when their nieces, Barbara and Elizabeth POOLE, applied to administer William ORD's will. I've looked through the Tynemouth parish church burials, without success. Please, does anyone have access to the Albion Road Cemetery records, North Shields or MIs who could check for their burials, or is there another burial ground which would cover Walker Place where I could check for them? Thank you in advance for any help. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Hi all, I would appreciate some help, if possible. William ORD, was living at Walker Place, parish of Tynemouth when he died on 5 November 1832. His wife Elizabeth ORD survived him, but had died by 8 November 1833, when their nieces, Barbara and Elizabeth POOLE, applied to administer William ORD's will. I've looked through the Tynemouth parish church burials, without success. Please, does anyone have access to the Albion Road Cemetery records, North Shields or MIs who could check for their burials, or is there another burial ground which would cover Walker Place where I could check for them? Thank you in advance for any help. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Bridget - there is a place called Rowlands Gill which is in County Durham. It is about 4 miles south west of Blaydon on Tyne. Heather Saskatoon, Canada Is there a place in either Northumberland or County Durham called Rollands Hill? Her grandfather gives this as his birthplace on his Marriage Registration in 1909 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada.

Heather, Thankyou so much. I have found this family on the 1881, 1891, & 1901 UK census returns all in Co. Durham. They lived in Winlaton and GENUKI has now told me that Rowlands Gill is in the Parish of Winlaton so I am sure this is the right place. It definately says Rollands Hill on his Marriage Reg., but with a N.E. English accent it was obviously heard as Hill instead of Gill. Many thanks, it would have taken me ages to find it otherwise. Cheers, Bridget in B.C. (where spring is FINALLY arriving) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Heather A Punshon" <heather@punshon.ca> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 08:02 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Rollands Hill > Bridget - there is a place called Rowlands Gill which is in County Durham. > It is about 4 miles south west of Blaydon on Tyne. > > Heather > Saskatoon, Canada > > Is there a place in either Northumberland or County Durham called > Rollands Hill? > Her grandfather gives this as his birthplace on his Marriage > Registration in 1909 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada. > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus > signature database 6004 (20110331) __________ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://www.eset.com > > >

I am new to this list and am helping someone find their ancestors. Is there a place in either Northumberland or County Durham called Rollands Hill? Her grandfather gives this as his birthplace on his Marriage Registration in 1909 in Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada. Her grandfather was William STEWART, b. cr. 1888 and his parents were William STEWART b. cr. 1854 Durham, and Jane Grace Dixon, b. cr. 1857 Durham. I can't find Rollands Hill on GENUKI and I have no idea which County to look in. Any and all help appreciated. Regards, Bridget in B.C. Canada

Hi Listers, I have returned to this list after finding that Isabella TURNBULL married her second husband, William VASEY, in 1860 in Newcastle-on-Tyne, using her maiden name. (Cert. shows her as "spinster") Her first marriage to John LOWERY in 1847 was registered in Chester-le-Street and they appeared on the 1851 census with apparently no children. In 1856 John LOWERY emigrated to Australia and it was thought that Isabella (LOWERY) had died and the record not registered. How wrong can you be? What was the situation with divorce back then? Was it only the wealthy who were able to "pull a few strings?" John LOWERY was illiterate so probably didn't make contact with any family members after emigrating. He re-married in 1862 in Victoria and the record shows him as being "single." I would appreciate some feedback and like to hear from anyone on the list who is researching these families. Diane Lowery (Melbourne)

Just to add that the defence against a charge of bigamy is that the accused's spouse has been absent for at least seven years, and is therefore presumed by the accused to be dead, even if he/she does not have positive proof of the death. However even though a person is found not guilty of the crime of bigamy, the bigamous marriage will still be void if that person had a spouse living at the time that the second marriage took place. However in such cases when the banns are published, or a notice of marriage is given to a superintendent registrar, and subsequently, when the marriage is registered, the party whose husband or wife is presumed dead should be described as a widow or widower as the case may be, so she should not have been "spinster". Stan On 28 March 2011 07:11, Diane Lowery <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I have returned to this list after finding that Isabella TURNBULL married her second husband, William VASEY, in 1860 in Newcastle-on-Tyne, using her maiden name. (Cert. shows her as "spinster") Her first marriage to John LOWERY in 1847 was registered in Chester-le-Street and they appeared on the 1851 census with apparently no children.  In 1856 John LOWERY emigrated to Australia and it was thought that Isabella (LOWERY) had died and the record not registered.  How wrong can you be?  What was the situation with divorce back then?  Was it only the wealthy who were able to "pull a few strings?"  John LOWERY was illiterate so probably didn't make contact with any family members after emigrating. He re-married in 1862 in Victoria and the record shows him as being "single." > > I would appreciate some feedback and like to hear from anyone on the list who is researching these families. > > Diane Lowery  (Melbourne) >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Before 1858, true divorce, freeing both partners to marry, was rare and expensive. From 1858 the very poor could sue (for divorce) without payment of fees ‘in forma pauperis’ if they could prove their lack of means. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=53 Stan On 28 March 2011 07:11, Diane Lowery <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> wrote: > > Hi Listers, > > I have returned to this list after finding that Isabella TURNBULL married her second husband, William VASEY, in 1860 in Newcastle-on-Tyne, using her maiden name. (Cert. shows her as "spinster") Her first marriage to John LOWERY in 1847 was registered in Chester-le-Street and they appeared on the 1851 census with apparently no children.  In 1856 John LOWERY emigrated to Australia and it was thought that Isabella (LOWERY) had died and the record not registered.  How wrong can you be?  What was the situation with divorce back then?  Was it only the wealthy who were able to "pull a few strings?"  John LOWERY was illiterate so probably didn't make contact with any family members after emigrating. He re-married in 1862 in Victoria and the record shows him as being "single." > > I would appreciate some feedback and like to hear from anyone on the list who is researching these families. > > Diane Lowery  (Melbourne) >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

To anyone who hasn't yet posted off their census form, why not fill it in online and put the paper version in your archives? Ruth in Hampshire