Hello Bob, Just to clarify: Newcastle upon Tyne is a city and Gateshead is a town. each have their own registry offices. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Mapstone" <stanmapstone@gmail.com> To: "Bob" <relder@tiscali.co.uk> Cc: "DUR-NBL" <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Certificate For Gateshead see http://online.gateshead.gov.uk/bmd/ Stan On 20 April 2011 09:11, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > See http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/dfcdeathshistorical > > Stan > > On 20 April 2011 09:00, Bob <relder@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Hello >> >> Where we I go to get a certificate for someone born in Newcastle, is it >> Newcastle it's self or Gateshead. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Steve, No you aren't dreaming, there is a deal at the moment where these databases are free (to anyone) until 24 April. However, NSW and/or Australian residents can have permanent free access with a reader's ticket from the libraries I mentioned in my note to Gwyneth, as they have paid for a subscription. Same sort of deal as many libraries who subscribe to a library edition of say ancestry.* and then give free access to people using that site at their library - only our libraries allow access from home to certain databases if you are a resident and have a current reader's ticket. Alison :-) Sydney Oz ===================== Steve wrote: > Didn't I see somewhere that it is until 24th April? > > Or am I just dreaming? > > Steve > > On 21/04/2011 12:14, Alison wrote: >> Gwyneth, >> >> Some Northumberland papers have been digitised and are on-line via one >> of the Gale Group databases. This is not a free site. >> >> However, NSW residents can get a reader's ticket from the State Library >> in Macquarie Street which, among other things, will give access from >> home to some databases - 18th-19th century newspapers included. I know >> there are some editions of the Newcastle Courant covered. >> >> Also, Australian residents can obtain a reader's ticket from the >> National Library of Australia in Canberra which also gives access from >> home to these papers and other databases. <snip>

Hi Steve Your memory serves you well http://www.gale.cengage.com/NLW/ Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) Didn't I see somewhere that it is until 24th April? Or am I just dreaming? Steve

Gwyneth, Some Northumberland papers have been digitised and are on-line via one of the Gale Group databases. This is not a free site. However, NSW residents can get a reader's ticket from the State Library in Macquarie Street which, among other things, will give access from home to some databases - 18th-19th century newspapers included. I know there are some editions of the Newcastle Courant covered. Also, Australian residents can obtain a reader's ticket from the National Library of Australia in Canberra which also gives access from home to these papers and other databases. Reader's tickets can be applied for on-line and are free for both libraries and there is no charge to search these databases using such reader's ticket - the libraries have paid for the subscription. Alison :-) Sydney Oz -------------- Gwyneth Watson User wrote: > Hello, > > I¹m wondering if one is able to search the Northumberland newspapers on-line > please? > >

Didn't I see somewhere that it is until 24th April? Or am I just dreaming? Steve On 21/04/2011 12:14, Alison wrote: > Gwyneth, > > Some Northumberland papers have been digitised and are on-line via one > of the Gale Group databases. This is not a free site. > > However, NSW residents can get a reader's ticket from the State Library > in Macquarie Street which, among other things, will give access from > home to some databases - 18th-19th century newspapers included. I know > there are some editions of the Newcastle Courant covered. > > Also, Australian residents can obtain a reader's ticket from the > National Library of Australia in Canberra which also gives access from > home to these papers and other databases. > > Reader's tickets can be applied for on-line and are free for both > libraries and there is no charge to search these databases using such > reader's ticket - the libraries have paid for the subscription. > > Alison :-) > Sydney Oz > -------------- > > Gwyneth Watson User wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I¹m wondering if one is able to search the Northumberland newspapers on-line >> please? >> >> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello, I¹m wondering if one is able to search the Northumberland newspapers on-line please? Cheers Gwyneth Sydney

Margaret Hall wrote: > William Larkman married Jane Dodds on 23rd March 1872 > In the church of Jarrow - St Paul > If you had posted the message yesterday I could have got a copy of it from > Tyne & Wear archives I was there all day today. I will not be back in the > archives until next Wednesday. and..... > William Larkman married > Josephina M. M. Johansson nee "Geurtsq" > In the church of St Peter, North Shields > I don't have a date for the marriage but could find it in five minutes > next Wednesday. The father's details on these certs could maybe help > with your research. > > Harriet Married in a Register Office so can't help with that one. > > The death of Jane Larkman was registered in the Hebburn registration > District of South Tyneside. > Margaret Many, many thanks. That is extremely helpful since it confirms that in both cases I had worked out the right couples who married (bearing in mind that FreeBMD offers more than one possibility). If you could obtain further details, especially re fathers etc, that would be brilliant! I am sure the person I am doing this for would be perfectly happy to wait a few more days. Once again, many thanks and best wishes. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

I am endeavouring to help a friend who descends from a William LARKMAN, formerly a hairdresser of Jarrow. It's an interesting conundrum with some puzzling aspects, so please bear with me as I explain it - and forgive the length of this message. HARRIET LARKMAN, born in the March quarter of 1879 at Tynemouth RD, according to FreeBMD (10b 222), was almost certainly the daughter of William Larkman and Jane DODDS, whose probable marriage is found in the March quarter of 1872 at South Shields (10a 772). There is no other Harriet Larkman who fits the scenario I am researching and she was the great-grandmother of the person I am helping. In every census except 1881, i.e. in those of 1891-1911, Harriet is shown as having been born at Walker, Northumberland, Walker being a suburb of Newcastle and in Tynemouth RD. In the census of 1881 William Larkman, wife Jane and daughter Harriet are in South Stoneham, Hampshire (a suburb of Southampton). William is aged 30, a shipyard labourer, born Norwich, Norfolk; Jane is 29, born South Shields; daughter Harriet is 2, born Newcastle. Jane Larkman apparently died in the Sep quarter of 1890, aged 39, at South Shields RD (FreeBMD 10a 425) and in precisely the same quarter William Larkman married at Tynemouth RD to Josephina Maria M (later proved to be Matilda) JOHANSSON (FreeBMD 10b 369). In the 1891 census the family are found at 111 Commercial Rd, Jarrow, William now being 36 and a hair dresser, born at Camberwell, London; wife Matilda is 34 and born at an uncertain place in Belgium; there are two children called Johnston (who were almost certainly Matilda's from a previous marriage) and Harriet Larkman, aged 11, born Walker, Northumberland. Interestingly, the very next street to Commercial St was called Buddle Street, which becomes significant in the next para. In 1901 William Larkman is found at 58-60 Buddle St, Jarrow, age 46, hairdresser, born Shoreditch, London. The only other person present appears to have been a 24- year-old male employee. Matilda Larkman was at 92 Ferry St, Jarrow, with a daughter of 31 who was also a hairdresser. Harriet Larkman had married at South Shields in the March quarter of 1899 to an Owen CONNOLLY (FreeBMD 10s 1053) and in 1891 they also were living in Buddle Street, Jarrow, at no. 85, Harriet now being 23, born Walker, Northumberland, so she fits completely with being Harriet Larkman, daughter of William. To cut a long story short, Harriet eventually either left her husband Owen or he left her or kicked her out, because she subsequentlly shacked up with a miner called Robert DICKSON and they are found in the 1911 census at Prudoe, near Hexham, Harriet now being 32, born Walker, Northumberland. I am quite certain this was the same Harriet who was born Harriet Larkman in 1879. Robert and Harriet had a number of children, born in various places but all with the mother's maiden name given as Larkman, all found with FreeBMD. Despite intensive research, I can find no marriage of Robert Dickson and a Harriet Larkman or Connolly. Harriet and her children moved at some time in the 1920s to Watford, Herts, and their life there is recorded by my friend. What is really "bugging" me is: who was William Larkman?!!! He goes in 1881 from being a shipyard labourer born at Norwich to being in 1891 a hairdresser in Jarrow, born at Camberwell, London, and in 1901 still a hairdresser in Jarrow but born at Shoreditch, London! I can just about live with the various birth places, because they are very often unreliable in censuses, but how does a man suddenly become a hairdresser from a shipyard labourer? My instinct - admittedly with questions - is that this was the same man, but what was he up to? Did he have secrets in his life? Does anyone recognise William Larkman or this family because it's driving me slightly potty! Larkman, BTW, would appear to be very much a Norfolk surname and especially from Norwich. Any thoughts / information, gratefully received! BTW, some will ask why not obtain the marriage certificates of William Larkman, which is the obvious thing to do - however, the person I am helping is not financially well off and I am trying to keep her costs down. -- Roy Stockdill Genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

For Gateshead see http://online.gateshead.gov.uk/bmd/ Stan On 20 April 2011 09:11, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > See http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/dfcdeathshistorical > > Stan > > On 20 April 2011 09:00, Bob <relder@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: >> Hello >> >> Where we I go to get  a certificate for someone born in Newcastle, is it Newcastle it's self or Gateshead. >> >> >> >> >> >> Bob >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

See http://www.newcastle.gov.uk/core.nsf/a/dfcdeathshistorical Stan On 20 April 2011 09:00, Bob <relder@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hello > > Where we I go to get  a certificate for someone born in Newcastle, is it Newcastle it's self or Gateshead. > > > > > > Bob >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Where we I go to get a certificate for someone born in Newcastle, is it Newcastle it's self or Gateshead. Bob

Hi All, I am interested in Atkinson & Goldsbrough Families from south Durham and North Yorkshire. In Durham they both came from Jarrow, Hurworth & Neasham and in Yorkshire The Atkinson's came from Eryholme. Ring any Bells?????? Kind Regards Terry

Yvonne, E.mail the Borthwick Institute in Yorks. Hexham being a peculiar of York they very likely hold any Hexham marriage licences. They will tell you if the have the items you want or not free of charge, or so I found a few years ago when I got this kind of document from them. If the Borthwick does not hold what you need they may be able to tell you who does. The Borthwick Institute for Archives and their archival holdinds is at http://www.york.ac.uk/library/borthwick/catalogues/archival-holdings/ Regards Jenny DeAngelis <<I want to try and obtain copies of licences for two marriages which took place in Hexham: 1 Aug 1711 SCOTT, Mr Jn. of Alnwick, surgeon & apothecary to Mrs Ann Dawson, spr., Lic. 27 Feb 1793 ORD, Wm otp. Lic to GREY, Eliz. otp Witnesses: Mat. POOLE, J. WATSON I've tried twice to ring Northumberland Archives, but no reply. Does anyone know where these licences might be kept? Also, are there likely to be any records for John SCOTT, surgeon & apothecary, above. I was thinking he must have been apprenticed to become a surgeon & apothecary, or something like that?>>

Hi Stan, Jenny and Ruth, Many thanks indeed for all your replies. I've found one of the marriage Bond and Allegations I was looking for, so that's great, I can send off for it now. I very much appreciate your help and expertise, and for you taking the time to reply. With my kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

The 1874 Act states in section 16; !6. Where an inquest is held on any dead body the jury shall inquire of the particulars required to be registered concerning the death, and the coroner shall send to the registrar , within five days after the finding of the jury is given, a certificate under his hand, giving information concerning the death and specifying the time and place at which the inquest was was held, and the registrar shall in the prescribed form and manner enter the death and particulars. If the death has been previously registered the said particulars shall be entered in the prescribed manner without any alteration of the original entry. Stan On 17 April 2011 02:01, Colin Cruddace <c.cruddace@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Hi Bob, > > I hope I've understood your enquiry correctly, but a Coroner does not 'issue' a death certificate, he sends details of his post-mortem findings to the Registrar who enters them on the registration of death. If the death was registered by a family member or someone present at death, the cause would be whatever the Coroner certified. No entries on a certificate can be altered, but if an amendment is necessary there is a separate column to enter the details. I doubt that a Coroners findings would be amended. > > The Coroner only decides on the cause of death, not how it was caused. That would be for a civil inquest and their findings would have no effect on the death registration. > > Regards, > Colin > >  ----- Original Message ----- >  From: Bob >  To: DUR-NBL >  Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:12 PM >  Subject: [DUR-NBL] Coroners Report > > >  I have came across a death certificate issued by a Coroner stating death was due to Burns. > >  Could this cause of death, on the Death Certificate be change or is it absolute > >  I believe the there was a charge of manslaughter brought against the other person but was found not guilty. > >  Bob > >  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bob, I hope I've understood your enquiry correctly, but a Coroner does not 'issue' a death certificate, he sends details of his post-mortem findings to the Registrar who enters them on the registration of death. If the death was registered by a family member or someone present at death, the cause would be whatever the Coroner certified. No entries on a certificate can be altered, but if an amendment is necessary there is a separate column to enter the details. I doubt that a Coroners findings would be amended. The Coroner only decides on the cause of death, not how it was caused. That would be for a civil inquest and their findings would have no effect on the death registration. Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob To: DUR-NBL Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 10:12 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Coroners Report I have came across a death certificate issued by a Coroner stating death was due to Burns. Could this cause of death, on the Death Certificate be change or is it absolute I believe the there was a charge of manslaughter brought against the other person but was found not guilty. Bob

I have came across a death certificate issued by a Coroner stating death was due to Burns. Could this cause of death, on the Death Certificate be change or is it absolute I believe the there was a charge of manslaughter brought against the other person but was found not guilty. Bob

York Marriage Bonds and Allegations Index 1613-1839 http://www.britishorigins.com/help/aboutbo-yorkmarr.aspx Stan On 16 April 2011 19:27, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Yvonne, > You could also have a look at > http://reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ead/ddr/ddrguide.xml#node.1.4.11.1 > > Stan > > On 16 April 2011 18:43, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: >> A visit to the clergyman issuing the licence resulted in three >> documents, an allegation or affidavit, a marriage bond and the >> licence. The actual licence was issued to the bridegroom who presented >> it to the priest conducting the marriage. The licence could then have >> been kept by the priest, or returned to the diocesan registries, or >> given to the couple on their wedding day and kept within the family, >> but usually does not survive. The allegation and bond would filed in >> the Diocesan Registry. >> >> Stan >> >> On 16 April 2011 17:17, YvonnePurdy <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> wrote: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> I want to try and obtain copies of licences for two marriages which took place in Hexham: >>> >>> 1 Aug 1711 >>> >>> SCOTT, Mr Jn. of Alnwick, surgeon & apothecary to Mrs Ann Dawson, spr., Lic. >>> >>> 27 Feb 1793 >>> >>> ORD, Wm otp. Lic to GREY, Eliz. otp >>> Witnesses: Mat. POOLE, J. WATSON >>> >>> I've tried twice to ring Northumberland Archives, but no reply.  Does anyone know where these licences might >>> be kept? >>> >>> Also, are there likely to be any records for John SCOTT, surgeon & apothecary, above.  I was thinking he must >>> have been apprenticed to become a surgeon & apothecary, or something like that? >>> >>> Many thanks for any help. >>> >>> Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >>> To Post a message to this list send it to, >>> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >>> >>> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >>> List Web Page >>> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >

Hi Yvonne, You could also have a look at http://reed.dur.ac.uk/xtf/view?docId=ead/ddr/ddrguide.xml#node.1.4.11.1 Stan On 16 April 2011 18:43, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > A visit to the clergyman issuing the licence resulted in three > documents, an allegation or affidavit, a marriage bond and the > licence. The actual licence was issued to the bridegroom who presented > it to the priest conducting the marriage. The licence could then have > been kept by the priest, or returned to the diocesan registries, or > given to the couple on their wedding day and kept within the family, > but usually does not survive. The allegation and bond would filed in > the Diocesan Registry. > > Stan > > On 16 April 2011 17:17, YvonnePurdy <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> I want to try and obtain copies of licences for two marriages which took place in Hexham: >> >> 1 Aug 1711 >> >> SCOTT, Mr Jn. of Alnwick, surgeon & apothecary to Mrs Ann Dawson, spr., Lic. >> >> 27 Feb 1793 >> >> ORD, Wm otp. Lic to GREY, Eliz. otp >> Witnesses: Mat. POOLE, J. WATSON >> >> I've tried twice to ring Northumberland Archives, but no reply.  Does anyone know where these licences might >> be kept? >> >> Also, are there likely to be any records for John SCOTT, surgeon & apothecary, above.  I was thinking he must >> have been apprenticed to become a surgeon & apothecary, or something like that? >> >> Many thanks for any help. >> >> Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy >> >> >> >> >> >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hi Ruth, Thank you for your reply, but I've tried the a2a site without results. Not sure where to go next. Kind regards, Yvonne > From: Acorn Cottage [mailto:orange.wasps@live.co.uk] Sent: 16 April 2011 17:34 To: 'YvonnePurdy'; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] Marriage Licences for Hexham marriages Hi Yvonne You are extremely unikely to be able to get copies of the licences as these were handed over to the clergyman performing the ceremony and were usually disposed of after the nuptials. You may, however, be able to obtain a copy of the allegation and bond that were sworn in order to get the licence. These have much more valuable information about the people who wanted to marry, and the bondsmen (for they were normally men!) who would have to cough up if the marriage were found not to be according to law (e.g. too close a relationship). Hexham bonds should be at Northumberland RO - why not try the A2A site (www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a /) - if the b&a have been catalogued, the names should show up. Good luck Ruth in Hampshire