Hello John, In the 1891 census John and family are at 65 Bonaccord St, Hebburn and at no 63 there is John MARRINGTON 27 gen. lab. DUR Hebburn Catherine " 20 wife " Bill Quay Jane M. " dau 5mths " Hebburn Ref RG12/4170 folio 28 p 50 Catherine's details fit quite well with 1881 and 1901 and the eldest child is called Jane. Here is the marriage Kate Cain 1890 Mar South Shields Durham John Marrington 1890 Mar South Shields Durham 10a Page: 1026 Here are the CAINs in 1891 John Cain Age: 47 Estimated birth year: abt 1844 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Elizabeth Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: Hedworth Monkton and Jarrow Ecclesiastical parish: St Cuthberts Town: Hebburn County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Occupation: boiler maker Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 39 Household Members: Name Age James Alder 4/12 grandson Hebburn Rose Annie Alder 3 granddau Hebburn Elizabeth ALDER 24 dau married born Scotland Agnes A Cain 5 dau scholar Hebburn Arthur Cain 11 son scholar Hebburn Elizabeth Cain 49 wife born Scotland James Cain 22 son plater's appr. Scotland John Cain 47 head Ireland John A Cain 8 scholar born Hebburn Mary J Cain 13 scholar born Hebburn Peter Cain 26 born Scotland Gen Labourer There is a John Marrington on his own, but married, in 1901 John Marrington Age: 34 Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Gender: Male Where born: Hebburn, Durham, England Civil parish: Cabus Ecclesiastical parish: Scorton St Peter County/Island: Lancashire Country: England Street address: near Wildings Farm Occupation:sailor Condition as to marriage: married Registration district: Garstang Sub-registration district: Garstang ED, institution, or vessel: 5 Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3983; Folio: 48; Page: 4. Regards, -- Helen Oram

Thanks go to Maureen Tokely in Oz who suggested scanning adjacent households in the 1891 census returns. Unfortunately, the scans I have date from a two-week free trial period at ancestry.co.uk and I dont have the cash for a year's subs just now. Thanks also to Martin Fisher who recommends www.findmypast.com Anybody else have more good tips? John On 23/11/06, John Kane <johnkane9@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello there! > > I have pinpointed my great-great-grandfather, John Cain, in the 1881 > census (Piece 5026/71 Page 33) living at 2 Lamport Street, Hebburn, > with amongst others, their 11-year old daughter Catherine. She's left > home by the time of the 1891 census although her elder sister Lizzie > is back at the family home in Hebburn with her two children - husband -- Regards John Kane 0773 056 2160 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Map to our house (3 Lindfield Rd., W5 1QS) here: _/ http://tinyurl.com/byp4p _/ We are directly opposite the Methodist church _/ and next door but one to Duffys Pub _/ (on map, see pin A, first entry in the adverts column). _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

Hello there! I have pinpointed my great-great-grandfather, John Cain, in the 1881 census (Piece 5026/71 Page 33) living at 2 Lamport Street, Hebburn, with amongst others, their 11-year old daughter Catherine. She's left home by the time of the 1891 census although her elder sister Lizzie is back at the family home in Hebburn with her two children - husband is off-premises on census night. In the 1901 census, the family are just round the corner at 10 Ellison Street in Hebburn. Elizabeth has gone but Catherine is now back with three children and a new married name. Trouble is, I cant read it. Someone else has transcribed it as Merton, and there are Mertons living nearby, but I cant find any marriage between a Cain and a Merton on FreeBMD.org, falling between 1886 and 1890 (her eldest child is 10 in 1901) , nor does widening the search period to 1900 help. I did find a Kate Cain marrying a William Mathison in South Shields district (Q1 1890 Vol 10a Page 1026) but even to my hopeful eye, its a bit of a stretch to read the scribbled name on the 1901 census return as Mathison. I have scanned images of the relevant census returns if it would help anyone researching Cains, Alders or Mertons. My question is whether anyone has a record of a Catherine Cain marriage to someone whose name might be Merton or Measdon around 1890 or even a 1891 census return with a Catherine Merton/Measden and possibly an infant child called Jane. Of course, they may never have legally married! I realise that I might be better off pursuing the male line but its knowing where to start. For what its worth, I have this list of John Cain's male offspring as of 1901: Peter - b.1865 - appears to have been a confirmed bachelor. James - b 1868 - my g-gfather - gone back to Belfast roots by 1894 Arthur - b. 1880/81 James Alexander b. 1882/3 If anyone else is researching this family or has any pointers I would be extremely glad to hear from them. -- Regards John Kane 0773 056 2160 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Map to our house (3 Lindfield Rd., W5 1QS) here: _/ http://tinyurl.com/byp4p _/ We are directly opposite the Methodist church _/ and next door but one to Duffys Pub _/ (on map, see pin A, first entry in the adverts column). _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

Hello All PYLE Thomas A 11mts 26 Gloucester Road 1909 APR 25 DAWSON Jane 69yrs Union 1909 OCT 27 BUTLER John 14yrs 40 Mansfield Street 1909 NOV 9 ARMSTRONG Margaret 57yrs Cambridge Street 1910 MAR 16 BAXTER Mary Ann 66yrs 59 Hedley Place 1910 APR 19 PYLE Gwendoline 2yrs 6mts 540 Scotswood Road 1910 OCT 6 BUTLER Veronica 1mnt 28 Ramshaw Street 1911 JAN 14 DONNISON Robert 61yrs Union 1911 JAN 27 ARMSTRONG Mary A 65yrs 9 Tullock Street 1911 MAR 8 ROONEY William 3mts 12 Enfield Road 1911 MAR 30 BAXTER Laura 44yrs Grainger Hotel 1911 JUN 4 YOUNG Martha 68yrs St Josephs Home 1911 OCT 10 PYLE Laurence A 17mts 540 Scotswood Road 1911 OCT 12 ROONEY Ann 72yrs 808 Scotswood Road 1911 OCT 26 BUTLER Edmund 4mts 52 Ramshaw Street 1911 OCT 28 ROONEY Oswald 2yrs 21 Evelyn Gardens 1907 JAN 25 MOONEY Daniel 58yrs St Josephs Home 1907 APR 9 KING Hannah 87yrs 197 Stanhope Street 1912 JAN 10 BUTLER John 64yrs St Josephs Home 1912 FEB 26 PINDER Margaret 46yrs 25 Back George Street 1912 MAY 20 KING Thomas 89yrs 179 Stanhope Street 1912 MAY 29 LONERGAN Harriet 58yrs 42 Alexandra Street 1912 JUL 18 BUTLER William 47yrs 64 Low Friar Street 1912 AUG 2 DAWSON Sarah 78yrs 80 Douglas Terrace 1912 AUG 26 KING Jane Ann 37yrs 5 Crosseley Terrace 1912 SEP 24 RIVETT Edith May 3dys 64 Blandford Street 1912 NOV 20 BUTLER Joseph Edmund 16yrs 28 Ramshaw Street 1912 DEC 24 Grant

SHERRY SHONDELMYER wrote: > looking for family of > Benjamin Musgrove born abt 1794 - ? > wife: Mary Hogg (I think) born abt 1799 - ? > kids: > Richard born 1818 > Mary born 1821 > Ann born 1826 married John TODD > Benjamin born 1831 > Sarah born 1929 > Isabella born 1824 married John Harrison he died before 1861, > married Thomas PERRY ( I descend from him) > I do not have Benjamin & Mary in the 1871 or 1881 census this would be > helpful to see it they are still living > > I would also like to find the kids in any of the census > > Sherry > > > > Sherry Free BMD show a Death entry for a Benjamin MUSGROVE age 75 June Qtr 1869 Durham 10a 157 George

I have this info from them in the 1901 census Hirst, Wooddhorn St. Mary, Northumberland, Morpeth Thomas Perry age 33 born Abt. 1867 Durham, Dipton, wife: Mary Jobson AGE 32 ( not positive) born abt 1868 Durham, Dipton kids: Isabella age 5 born abt 1895 Wilhelmina age 3 born abt 1897 Robert W age 3 born abt 1900 Florence age 8 months I believe Thomas had a brother John David Perry born 1856 Durham, Dipton, married Emma Richards (John is my 2x grandfather) came to USA in 1902 their parents are father: Thomas Perry b. 1824 Northumberland, Earsdon, England mother : Isabella Musgrove / Musgrave b 02 May 1824 sis: Frances Jane Perry married Robert Charlton Davison bro: Robert I hope to find family of Thomas Perry would share info on John DAvid Perry Sherry

looking for family of Benjamin Musgrove born abt 1794 - ? wife: Mary Hogg (I think) born abt 1799 - ? kids: Richard born 1818 Mary born 1821 Ann born 1826 married John TODD Benjamin born 1831 Sarah born 1929 Isabella born 1824 married John Harrison he died before 1861, married Thomas PERRY ( I descend from him) I do not have Benjamin & Mary in the 1871 or 1881 census this would be helpful to see it they are still living I would also like to find the kids in any of the census Sherry

I am trying to solve a puzzle about my ancestors who lived in Bishopwearmouth. John and Jane Wilson had two sons, one named George Kirton Wilson, b. 14 Feb. 1842, and the other Daniel Mackinze Wilson, b. 19 May 1847. No one in the family, as far as I know, had the sirname of either Kirton or Mackinze. I have never been able to find out the parentage or siblings of Jane Wilson, b. 1804 in Sunderland or of John, b. June 1811 in Millfield, so I don't know whether one of their sisters might have married a man named Kirton or Mackinze. There are so many John and Jane Wilsons living in that area that it seems impossible to sort them out. Apparently Jane's maiden name was also Wilson. One of Jane and John's daughters, Isabella, who married James Turnbull Sample, named her daughter Flora Dennett Sample. The name Dennett was the sirname of Isabella's sister's husband. She named another son Frederick Atcheson Sample. The name Atcheson is also a puzzle, with no record of where the name might have originated. No one in the family had that sirname as far as I know. My question is: Was it the custom to name children after an in law or perhaps a family friend? Can anyone give me a clue about the naming customs of the time? Thanks for any help. Flora

Hi Edith I agree divorce is unlikely for the average person in the time you are searching. However, bigamy was 'quite common' because of that. Up stumps so to speak, move to a new area, say you are not married - and Bob's your Uncle! The new wife may or may not have known about the situation. (Or they just "shacked up" together in a new area and were known to others as Mr and Mrs.) The other thing is, if and when one partner moved - or was sent by Her Majesty in earlier times - to the other side of the world, well after a period of hearing nothing, they would be presumed dead. Seven years is the legal period for that but I would think the average person may have just gone ahead anyway. My own gg grandfather was a convicted bigamist. But he married the second time in the same country town here in Victoria Australia as his first wife was living - or at least, very close to it. I have not been able to pin her down exactly at the time of the bigamous marriage. GG grandpa comes across as either incredibly naïve ("I thought I was divorced -the policeman said I was to have nothing more to do with her" - there was an intervention order against him so I presume he was a wife basher) OR incredibly stupid. I think though he had a good amount of "street smarts" as they say now. Good luck with finding your g grandfather's death. Will you please let me know what you find? Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of edith Sent: Friday, 10 November 2006 9:01 PM To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] name query any ideas? ..............She did re-marry and that was to Patrick Mc Intyre. Her first marriage was to my ggrandfather Thomas Kavanagh in 1894 at Lanchester co Durham and the reason I am interested in her second marriage to Patrick is to locate Thomas's death details. They were both Irish Catholics so I am assuming he must have died so she could re-marry but I cannot find Thomas' death anywhere. The nearest I have gotten is a Thomas Kavanagh died 1910 Auckland Durham but she could not have been divorced that I am aware of as I have been given to understand that divorce just didn't happen in those days to or for the non-rich..............................

Hello List More burials NAME GIVEN NAME AGE ADDRESS DATE Calligan Mary 56yrs 21 Byron Terrace 1905 MAR 12 Calligan John 2yrs 56 Noble Street 1905 APR 23 Pyle Jane 2yrs 129 Adelaide Terrace 1905 APR 30 Pyle Robert William 15mts 842 Scotswood Road 1905 JUL 23 Bergin Patrick 31yrs 51 Maple Street 1905 AUG 1 Callaghan Thomas James 5mts 22 Rendle Street 1905 AUG 1 Harland Violet Theresa 1yr 55 Richard Street 1905 SEP 19 Calligan Mary 27yrs 56 Noble Street 1905 OCT 5 Donnison Ann Rebecca 44yrs 31 Spring Street 1905 NOV 15 Butler Rachael 36yrs 29 Bowman Street 1905 NOV 21 Donnison John 79yrs 97 Glue Terrace 1906 JAN 16 Baxter Louise 58yrs 31 Victoria Street 1906 FEB 5 Callaghan James 79yrs St Josephs House 1906 AUG 14 Huddleston Winifred 11mts 5 Back Hall Street 1906 OCT 7 King Elizabeth Ann 59yrs 39 Victoria Street 1906 DEC 27 Reddy Patrick 69yrs St Josephs Home 1907 SEP 4 Harland Mary Lillian 13mts 56 Scotswood Road 1907 OCT 28 Callaghan John Dobbs 3wks 75 Bell Terrace 1907 DEC 3 McElderry Mary Ann 5wks 36 Noble Street 1907 DEC 11 Armstrong Mary Jane 48yrs 83 Clumber Street 1908 JUN 7 Dawson Annie 52yrs 32 Enfield Road 1908 Aug 16 Grant

Hi, My Great Uncle Robert Thomas Moore was in the 6th East Yorks, though not for very long....he commited suicide at Londonthorpe Lincs. in Feb. 1915 whilst stationed at Belton Park, Grantham. I do have a good image of him and his Battalion if you John, or anyone would like a copy emailing just let me know, Regards, Neil Atterby. John Ellis <irisandjohnellis@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Hello List, Does any one have family who where in East Yorkshire Regiment during the first world war and in particular the 12th and the 7th Battalions. Many Durham men enlisted in this regiment at that time Regards John Ellis ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message http://groups.msn.com/AtterbyFamilyHistory

Hi list I have a marriage cert where the bride's abode appears to be Warren Street. Can anyone tell me which 1901 census piece number includes Warren Street, please? Thanks, Joe

Hello List, Does any one have family who where in East Yorkshire Regiment during the first world war and in particular the 12th and the 7th Battalions. Many Durham men enlisted in this regiment at that time Regards John Ellis

In a message dated 20/11/2006 21:49:27 GMT Standard Time, dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au writes: The nearest I have gotten is a Thomas Kavanagh died 1910 Auckland Durham but she could not have been divorced that I am aware of as I have been given to understand that divorce just didn't happen in those days to or for the non-rich.. _____________________________________________________________________ I also have a great uncle, a coal miner, who got married to a divorcee in 1909, and her father was a locomotive engine driver. Unfortunately I can't find out her first husbands occupation, but I assume he was working class.So there seems to have been a cheaper way to get a divorce, particularly in the provinces. I would be very interested in finding out. Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html

In a message dated 20/11/2006 21:16:21 GMT Standard Time, joe@twojays.info writes: I have a marriage cert where the bride's abode appears to be Warren Street. Can anyone tell me which 1901 census piece number includes Warren Street, please? ________________________________________________ Warren Street starts at RG13; Piece: 4720; Folio: 78; Page: 9. Mary Jane Butchart born 1864 Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html

Hi Patrick Try http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Enter 435509,568968 Select co-ordinates , when loaded select enlarged view This should take you to an 1865 O/S map showing the Water Works If you have a roam around the area you can see if there were any more but I think this is probably it Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists >I have a great grandfather who in the 1891 census is shown as a "steam > engine driver in water works". The census shows the parish as Preston in > the > municipal borough of Tynemouth > Can anyone tell me please where to find information about the history of > the water works and if it is still standing? > Many thanks > Patrick in Durham City

Hi Stan, Thankyou for clarifying the Ladell/Henderson details. I agree a Cattle Market sounds an unusual place to be born. There is a bit on the net about the Smithfield Cattle Markets, maybe that was the place she was at. I'm trying several different avenuse and will keep you updated if I get a positive lead - thanks again, Sharon ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 8:01 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Georgina Henderson b.1898/1899 > In a message dated 19/11/2006 01:30:07 GMT Standard Time, > shein10@bigpond.com writes: > The Georgina Henderson > that has George Ladell with her, does it state he is the father, or is > Georgina > the daughter of Harriet Henderson, aged 34? Just wondering why the 2 > different surnames. Do you have any idea what Norths, R Castle Market > may mean? > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Sharon, > Harriet Henderson is a house keeper and widow, no relation to George > Ladell, > The entry for Georgina is North R Cattle Market, seems a strange place to > be > born! > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.7/538 - Release Date: 18/11/2006 > >

In message <6.0.0.22.0.20060831114111.01d84738@mail.iimetro.com.au>, Millington <milling@iimetro.com.au> writes > >How do you look up the Durham Marriage Bonds after finding some marriages >in the microfiche index before 1800? > >For example, one of the marriages I have is 17 March 1780 Elsdon Sarah, 21 >Stannington, to Fenwick George 21, Stannington Gentleman. Albon Thomas, >Mitford, Gentleman. > >I have a few other marriages with similar information from the index. I'm >also wondering whether the marriage bonds are likely to provide further >information. > >Thanks > >Judith >Australia > > Hello Judith, The marriage bonds are held at Durham University library special collections. In some instances they can photocopy the document for you - but some are too fragile for this. However there is not likely to be any more information other than what you have above. Thomas Albon would be the person standing surety for the bond. Still it is nice to have a copy for your own records if that is possible. See <http://www.dur.ac.uk/library/asc/about/> Regards, -- Helen Oram

I have a great grandfather who in the 1891 census is shown as a "steam engine driver in water works". The census shows the parish as Preston in the municipal borough of Tynemouth Can anyone tell me please where to find information about the history of the water works and if it is still standing? Many thanks Patrick in Durham City

In a message dated 19/11/2006 23:05:06 GMT Standard Time, edith@harris00085.fsnet.co.uk writes: can anyone tell me what areas Auckland Durham included _________________________________________________________________ See http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/auckland.html Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html