> I was told that my grandfather, John William Thompson, > served with the East Yorks in WW1 I have no further > information on his battalion etc. but would like to know > more. He was born in Fatfield in 1889 but I think was > living in Houghton-le-Spring in 1914. He went to join up > with the DLI on the first day of the war but was turned > down, I don't know on what grounds. He then immediately > went to the East Yorks recruiting office where he was > accepted. > I'd be interested in any information on the East Yorks or > on how to find out more. > Jennifer > Dear Jennifer, From the Medal Roll Thompson, John W. Private. no.12/1036 East Yorkshire Regiment Some Regiments had the Battalion Number included in the Regimental number. So this means he was in 12th Battalion. From www.1914-1918 site. 12th (Service) Battalion (3rd Hull) East Yorkshire Regt. Formed in Hull, 11 August 1914 by Lord Nunburnholme and the East Riding TF Assocation. Commonly known as the Hull Sportsmen's Battalion. If you need to find out more about this Battalion, try to read the WAr Diaries. These are either held at the REgimental Musuem or at the PRO or could be at both. I hope this helps. John > >

Hi Bette Many of the larger pits ran their own assistance programme that miners paid into from their weekly pay. As accidents were so frequent and there were periods when the miners were unable to work due to physical injury or bronchial illness these were a lifeline to the miner's families. Regards Net -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette McIntosh Sent: 25 November 2006 18:42 To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] "Pauper, family coal miner's wife" Dear Listers, Given that I do understand the meaning of the conventional term "pauper" as it relates to a person without any personal means of support, other than from welfare or charity. I welcome comments on how this terminology would apply to a 1861 Crawcrook, Gateshead Census for a family of eight persons whose head was a woman, age 68 years, who lived with a married daughter, age 30 years, and six grand-children of various ages & surnames. In the census column headed " Rank, Profession or Occupation" I read "Pauper, family coal miner's wife". Would I assume from this that the household was living on a dole; a stipend of money, food etc. given at regular intervals in charity? Would this have been the case even thought the family was residing in their own home and not in a workhouse setting? Was it a common practice in the UK during the time period to enumerate such circumstances, in the census, in such a public manner? Thank you, Bette ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 25/11/2006 21:35:47 GMT Standard Time, bmcintosh@new.rr.com writes: Is this information something that is absent for all death records in the counties of NBL & Durham, if not all areas of the UK, or at some point does the burial information become part of the record? ____________________________________________________ You will not find burial information on British Death Certificates. Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html

Hi Sherry, I found them in St John parish in Northumberland. I have sent you the details already. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: SHERRY SHONDELMYER To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1841 census PEEL surname can someone help me look for these names on the 1841 census Thomas Peel abt 1821 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland George Peel abt 1840 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland Margaret Peel abt 1821 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland Thank you, Sherry

Dear Listers, Recently I have received a considerable number of death registrations for members of my NBL/Co Durham family members. However, I see that no mention is made on these certificates of burial locations for the deceased. Is this information something that is absent for all death records in the counties of NBL & Durham, if not all areas of the UK, or at some point does the burial information become part of the record? To date, my death documentation is concerned with the ca. 1840-1880 time period. Thank you, Bette

Don't know what's happening with the list, but I 've tried to post this message twice in the last week and it hasn't appeared. I'm now trying dur-nbl in lower case to see if it helps. Ive been following the thread and would like to keep it on list if possible. Posted last week: I was told that my grandfather, John William Thompson, served with the East Yorks in WW1 I have no further information on his battalion etc. but would like to know more. He was born in Fatfield in 1889 but I think was living in Houghton-le-Spring in 1914. He went to join up with the DLI on the first day of the war but was turned down, I don't know on what grounds. He then immediately went to the East Yorks recruiting office where he was accepted. I know nothing about his war service, he was one of the many who never talked about the war once they came home. I do have two photographs of him in uniform, one with a group of NCOs taken by F.Hughes, Military Photographer, Ludgershall, Wilts., in the other he looks very stern and official with a sign above him saying Rouen 35 Rue des Carmes 402. I'd be interested in any information on the East Yorks or on how to find out more. Jennifer Added 25/11: Don't know if this helps John, as I don't have his service no., but I'm pretty sure he was living in Houghton-le-Spring, so chances are that even though he was from the Chester-le-Street district he would have joined up in Houghton. I'm pretty sure the story of him enlisting as soon as war was declared is correct as he did the same thing in WW2, but, being too old for the armed services then, he joined the St.John's Ambulance.

Net, Thanks you for your insights. In the way of further explanation, this particular miner's wife had been a widow for 16 years at the time of the census in question and she lived for another 19 years. I am curious as to why when she had a large family most of whom were living in the NBL/Co Durham area, with the exception of one descendent who emigrated with family to America, this widow lived independently. With the exception of one census year, this widow was not enumerated in any household other than her own. Perhaps her independent spirit made her the survivor that she was, living to the ripe age of 87 years. Best wishes, Bette > Hi Bette > > Many of the larger pits ran their own assistance programme that miners > paid > into from their weekly pay. As accidents were so frequent and there were > periods when the miners were unable to work due to physical injury or > bronchial illness these were a lifeline to the miner's families. > > Regards > > Net

Hello John, Why don't you post what you know, and what you would like to find out, on this forum: http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/ There are some real experts there. Good Luck, Peter

Dear Listers, Given that I do understand the meaning of the conventional term "pauper" as it relates to a person without any personal means of support, other than from welfare or charity. I welcome comments on how this terminology would apply to a 1861 Crawcrook, Gateshead Census for a family of eight persons whose head was a woman, age 68 years, who lived with a married daughter, age 30 years, and six grand-children of various ages & surnames. In the census column headed " Rank, Profession or Occupation" I read "Pauper, family coal miner's wife". Would I assume from this that the household was living on a dole; a stipend of money, food etc. given at regular intervals in charity? Would this have been the case even thought the family was residing in their own home and not in a workhouse setting? Was it a common practice in the UK during the time period to enumerate such circumstances, in the census, in such a public manner? Thank you, Bette

"Is the spelling of Horton-le-Spring correct? I lived as a girl near Haughton-le-Spring. Perhaps you might find more info with a different spelling." Hi Anne, Thanks for pointing this out, We have a Horton near us, and I get mixed up. Best Wishes John Ellis

can someone help me look for these names on the 1841 census Thomas Peel abt 1821 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland George Peel abt 1840 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland Margaret Peel abt 1821 Northumberland, England St John Northumberland Thank you, Sherry

In a message dated 25/11/2006 11:13:46 GMT Standard Time, irisandjohnellis@tiscali.co.uk writes: I lived as a girl near Haughton-le-Spring. Perhaps you might find more info with a different spelling." ___________________________________________ It is Houghton-le-Spring Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello List More Burials from Elswick Cemetery Surname Given Name Sex Age Address Year Month Day KING Mary Female 3dys Hadrian Road 1913 FEB 6 PYLE Charles Male 61yrs 76 Greenlaw Terrace 1913 FEB 27 DAWSON Margaret Female 68yrs 12 Catherine Street 1913 MAR 21 MULGROVE Rose A Female 44yrs 38 Villa Place 1913 APR 7 MOONEY Bernard Male 77yrs 15 Blandford 1913 APR 19 REDDY Frank Male 3mts 20 Herbert Street 1913 AUG 29 MOONEY Isabella Female 73yrs N.U.T. Union 1913 APR 23 DAWSON John Male 71yrs 6 York Street 1913 SEP 13 MCELDERRY John Thomas Male 3mts 52 Ramshaw Street 1913 SEP 20 ARMSTRONG Mary Female 84yrs 82 Clumber Street 1914 JAN 18 DAWSON Alexander Male 3wks 15 Blandford Street 1914 MAR 3 EMMETT Joseph Male 9mts 5 Skinnerburn Road 1914 MAR 4 HARLAND Ann C Female 7mts 26 West Blandford Street 1914 APR 4 KING Kate Isabella Female 19yrs 197 Stanhope Street 1914 MAY 20 MARGEY Francis Male 70yrs 56 Ramshaw Street 1914 JUL 8 MCELDERRY Edward Male 20yrs 511 Scotswood Road 1914 SEP 20 MCELDERRY Elizabeth Female 49yrs 511 Scotswood Road 1914 NOV 1 MATFIN Rubine Female 19mts 73 Violet Street 1914 NOV 28 PYLE Alfred S Male 2yrs 540 Scotswood Road 1914 DEC 27 DAWSON Thomas S Male 80yrs 16 Kyle Street 1915 JUL 20 HUDDLESTON Mary F L Female 20yrs 20 St Johns Road 1915 SEP 21 Grant

John wrote "I do not know how the service numbers are worked out , is it just simply a case of the whole county following by number or is it by regiment or is it by place of enlistment" Hi John, Thanks very much for the reply, it was most useful. The allotment of numbers seems to be by Regiment. I am told that batches of numbers were issued at different times, Im sure that my ancestor enlisted 1914/15. and I am trying to confirm it. Your numbers are close. Thanks again John Ellis

Hi, First let me thank all those who replied to my enquiry, I am most greatful. I asked this question in the hope that someone may have had a soldier in the 12th or 7th Battalion during the first world war. My Grandfather John Ellis was KIA on the 31st of March 1918 whilst in the 7th Battalion. I have done quite a bit of research into his army record, and have visited his grave, but where I am really stuck, is the month he enlisted. I know he enlisted in Horton le Spring... his service number was 14717... I am desperate to find someone who enlisted at Horton, with a sevice number very close to his. I am hoping this will give me some indication of the time he enlisted. Once again thank you for your kind replies. John Ellis

I'm trying to find what cemetery my PERRY family are in and I hope someone may know how to help me here are names I'm looking for Jane PERRY daughter of John David Perry born in Lintz Colliery 1881 died before the 1891 John David was living in Southmoor in 1891 Isabella PERRY living in Southmoor in 1891 Thomas PERRY living in Kyo Lane Head 1881 if someone lives near either one of these cemeteries and would go look for PERRY headstone I'd also appreciate it if you would take some photo's for me Sherry

Would someone help with a lookup in the 1851 census for Thomas PERRY born abt 1824 Earsden, Northumberland 1861 census he was living in parish: Kyo Annfiel Plain, Collierly Thomas PEEL not Perry I'm hoping he is living with his parents for I need to find out their names Thank you Sherry

Sherry, best possibility seems to be 1851/NBL/Tynemouth/Longbenton/Harlerigg Village Perrey, Thomas/Head/Married/26/Coal Miner/b. North Longbenton Perrey, Winifred/Wife/Married/28/b. Durham, Gateshead Hope that helps, Laurel ----- Original Message ----- From: "SHERRY SHONDELMYER" <bobnsher3@verizon.net> To: <dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 7:33 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1851 Census lookup PLEASE > Would someone help with a lookup in the 1851 census for > > Thomas PERRY born abt 1824 Earsden, Northumberland > > 1861 census he was living in parish: Kyo Annfiel Plain, Collierly > Thomas PEEL not Perry > > I'm hoping he is living with his parents for I need to find out their > names > > > Thank > you > > Sherry > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gosh! You guys are great. I know some of the replies I have received have gone to the list but just in case: Further thanks to Helen Oram who pointed out in response to my query that John Cain was living next door to his daughter Catherine and son-in-law John Marrington and provided very useful census data, and also to Geraldine of the GrayFam who sent me a scan of the census return Thanks to Annette Watson in Oz who sent me tips on the LDS resources available. Most useful was Jan Boyes tip that you can get three days access to ancestry.com free of charge and without any credit card required. Here's my link. As far as I know, I dont get any credits for referrals but they probably like to know who refers whom. http://share.ancestry.com/r/24665e70cc2910298676 I havent found any way of narrowing down the candidates for the subsequent marriages of John Cain's children. Would I be right in assuming that the next level of detail in the data (ie parents and addresses for the bride and groom) are not available over the Internet? Can I sit in an office or library somewhere and view facsimiles of the marriage certificates? On 23/11/06, Geraldine <geraldine@grayfam.karoo.co.uk> wrote: > > > --Hi john Catherine marrington is living next to John and Elizabeth with > baby Jane in 1891.Image is attached > Regards Geraldine > -- Regards John Kane 0773 056 2160 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ Map to our house (3 Lindfield Rd., W5 1QS) here: _/ http://tinyurl.com/byp4p _/ We are directly opposite the Methodist church _/ and next door but one to Duffys Pub _/ (on map, see pin A, first entry in the adverts column). _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

> >Kate Cain 1890 Mar South Shields Durham > John Marrington 1890 Mar South Shields Durham >10a >Page: 1026 > Hi John, In 1881 the Marringtons are round the corner in Ellison Street Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John MARRINGTON Head M Male 51 Durham, England Butcher Barbra MARRINGTON Wife M Female 42 Durham, England John MARRINGTON Son M Male 19 Durham, England Marriner Mary A. MARRINGTON Daur U Female 16 Durham, England William DONKINSON Lodger U Male 26 Scotland Boilersmith Alexander SMITHFIELD Lodger U Male 39 Scotland Engin Fitter ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling 50 Ellison St Census Place Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342211 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5028 / 38 Page Number 40 Regards, -- Helen Oram