I am new to this list and I am researching the family below. I have found a Thomas JORDAN, Head, Wid, 59, Coal Miner b Ireland Co Mayo. Info from the 1891 census at Durham. With children John 20 b Wm 18 b Lancashire Margaret Ann 16 b Durham. Mary 14 b Durham. Alice 13 b Lancashire Thomas 11 b Durham. Agnes 9 b Durham Joseph 5 b Durham Catherine 2 b Durham. Although it says Lancashire on the 1891 census, most of the children were registered in the Lanchester area of Durham. I could not find them on the 1881. Thomas who is the main person I am researching. I have no idea of whom his mother was. Father Thomas died when Thomas was 12 so would be possibly 1892 or 1893. In 1901 Catherine aged 2 from 1891 is in St Mary's home. Margaret A and her Sister Mary E are in South moor Durham Where Margaret is a House keeper. Thomas is boarding with the family of Elizabeth Hughes. Joseph is possibly the adopted son of William and Thomasine Hutton. The only Agnes I can find is the dtr of Bridget Jordan 56 and her husband Martin Jordan 60, could be a relation. Could someone please check and see if they can find the eldest child John on the 1871 census or Thomas born abt 1832 Please !!! With a wife if Possible !!! Thank you Gwenda Evans

This allows you to search the Gateshead registers for Births, Marriages and Deaths since 1837. http://online.gateshead.gov.uk/bmd/ Regards Stan Mapstone

Dawn is not correct when she says that NSW death certifcates do not name children and provide ages - again it depends on the informant, and possibly the registrar asking the questions. I have 25 NSW certifcates which provide names of children, mostly with ages, even though some of these are wrong. I also one which breaks these into children of different marriages. I do have 4 which just say number of males and females deceased. There are also the frustrating certificates where the informant is someone from the hospital where the person died, and they say there is no wife or children - or they are unknown, simply because the information isn't in their records. Other adult certificates have the information that they weren't married, or were married with no issue. Merrilyn Minter, Newcastle, NSW, Australia Researching: ATTENBOROUGH,COLLINS, SMEDLEY, DRAYCOTT Nottinghamshire; MINTER, Thanet Kent; MORPHEW -Lewisham and Dover, Kent LEWIS Herefordshire, Northumberland, Durham; McNAMEE, GIBSON Northumberland and Durham; GALLOWAY Strathmiglo and Kirkcaldy, Fife; EDMISTON, Strathmiglo; HIBBARD Barford St Martin, Wilts; HATHERLY, TICKNER, WILLMOTT Portsea, Ham ; SCOTT, GOULD Perthshire, Sct; THOMSON Stewarton, Ayr, Sct; CORBRIDGE Wakefield area, Yks ---- and more!!! See my tree on worldconnect! http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=merimint _________________________________________________________________ Advertisement: Fresh jobs daily. Stop waiting for the newspaper. Search now! www.seek.com.au http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL=http%3A%2F%2Fninemsn%2Eseek%2Ecom%2Eau&_t=757263760&_r=Hotmail_EndText_Dec06&_m=EXT

Hello List, Let me thank all those who answered my query, and for the useful advise I received. Im just getting over a bit of Flu....... so I will keep my answer short Very best Wishes , and thanks again John Ellis

Many thanks to Stan, Sue and Adam for their very prompt help with my query re the photo of Sarah Thirlwell taken by Thirlwell Ltd of Bridge Street of Stockton on Tees, as well as Darlington and Hartlepool. All these places are some distance from Southwick, Sunderland where Sarah lived and I wonder whether she would travel to have her portrait taken. Is it possible to find the christian name of the Thirlwell who owned this business in the 1850s? Would a shop be recorded in the 1851 census if no one lived on the premises? What a wonderful website Stockton on Tees has. Helen Christchurch New Zealand

Victoria in Australia gives all that too, plus names and ages of children or if deceased, marriage spouse details and of them all if more than one marriage - separates the children into the different marriages too. Informant, relationship to deceased etc as well. Always assuming the informant knew the information of course. These days the informant can in fact be the deceased, too, though they don't put that on the death cert. I as named as the informant on my mother's death cert BUT she had given all the information when she prepaid her funeral. I had to amend one thing. She said she was born in Gillingham Kent England (correct) and spent "whole of life" here in Victoria. I amended that bit - she came here when she was four - so the answer was 81 years not 85. I only picked it up when I got the death cert in the mail - mind you it was very easy to amend, done in a five minute visit to the BDM office and they posted out the amended version to me. NSW here has ALMOST as much info on them but children are given just as eg 5 females living 2 males living 1f deceased 2m deceased. Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 11:16 PM To: margaret@scottishwool.com; dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Subject: Re: Burial Information ca. 1840-1880 Hi Just to add ive just gotten a 1855 scottish burial record, not only did it give me where she was buried (paisley)but also where she was born- the village and county in Ireland! Also low long she had been in Paisley, also mam and dads names- inc mams maiden name, and cause of death. All for 6 credits on scotspeople (30 credits costs £6.00) So I now know where the family came from in IRELAND as opposed to just Ireland and the approx year of leaving Ireland- all from a siblings death record:) Wish a few more had gone to Scotland in the 1850's. (and hopefully had siblings who obligingly died there!) Carol ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.2/560 - Release Date: 30/11/2006 3:41 PM

In a message dated 02/12/2006 01:00:00 GMT Standard Time, hsouthen@ihug.co.nz writes: Would a shop be recorded in the 1851 census if no one lived on the premises? ______________________________________________________________________ Helen, No, it's should not be, as a household schedule would not be left there, although the enumerator may a note in his book that it is unoccupied. Does the photograph have anything printed on the back? Are you sure of the date? Regards Stan Mapstone

Thirlwells was located 21 Bridge street , which i believe Bridge street is now Thornaby. There is Victoria Bridge in stockton over the river Tees, one side of the bridge is Stockton on tees which is Durham , the other side of the bridge is Thornaby on tees which was Yorkshire then.Its not a huge bridge. Boundaries change . There is a Bridge road stockton not sure about a bridge street maybe long gone . If you go onto this website below and type in a few searches you may find something. sue http://picture.stockton.gov.uk/default.aspx

Hi guys I was astonished to find that a lot of my old family photos were from Thirwells. Interestingly Thirwells Ltd. - a limited company ! They are described as being at Stockton -on Tees and also West Hartlepool and Darlington. My mothers family was from Stockton and as a small boy I spent a lot of time there but I do not remember the location of Thirwells corner. Can anybody tell me where it was ? I'd always assumed that the family portraits were by Forrest Wompra of Middlesbrough Redcar and Saltburn. Has the list of photographs of either of them survived ? doug Kyle

I have a lovely photograph of Sarah THIRLWELL born 1834 Southwick, Durham. She married Thomas Ratcliffe Johnson in 1856 in Monkwearmouth. In the photo Satah looks to be in her late teens. The photo was taken by someone Thirlwell. I wish to establish if this ia a relative of Sarah's so if anyone can tell me about this photographer I'd be very grateful. Helen Christchurch New Zea;and

I am looking for my grand aunt Martha LOWE (nee COPELAND) who was always known by family members as Aunt Pat. She was born 25 Jun 1877 at 40 Peebles Street in Newton-on-Ayr, AYR, SCT, d/o Joseph Copeland and Elizabeth McClymont. In 1897 she married James Carrington LOWE at Bugsworth(?,) DBY, ENG. He had been born in 1878 in Bugsworth, DBY, ENG s/o Isaac Lowe and Jane Carrington. Their three children Leonard, Harry and Joseph were all born in the Bugsworth area. According to family, there was also a girl Lizzie/Elizabeth about the same age who was known as Lizzie LOWE. Lizzie would have been a niece of Martha who came to stay after her parent(s) died The family probably shifted to the Newcastle upon Tyne area as I am fairly certain that I have found both James's death entry September Qtr 1963 and Martha's death entry in June Qtr 1961 in Newcastle upon Tyne. (Martha's place of death confirms what I have been told by older family members) Jim Jim & Beverley Payne NEW ZEALAND jr_bjpayne@xtra.co.nz Our web site is located at the following URL: http://www.shampayne.org.nz

Thirlwell photographers are quite well known (in that era). where the photographers was situated in Stockton was known as Thirlwell's Corner as the photographers was situated on or near a corner.I have lots of old family photo's taken by Thirlwells. My gran use to call it Thirlwell's corner and people from her era also did . sue

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:21:55 EST Stanmapstone@aol.com wrote: > > You will not find burial information on British Death Certificates. Unusual to be able to adjust one of Stan's valuable contributions ... Generally correct except for certain years (1855 1860) in Scotland when the undertaker and place of burial may be recorded. See http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&628 There are substantial differences in Scottish BMD records which unfortunately start later 1855 but are richer in family information.. Find England (where all my ancestors are .. So far) frustrating compared to Scotland where my wife's lot come from. Robin -- Robin and Margaret McEwen-King Lanark Scotland

Hi Just to add ive just gotten a 1855 scottish burial record, not only did it give me where she was buried (paisley)but also where she was born- the village and county in Ireland! Also low long she had been in Paisley, also mam and dads names- inc mams maiden name, and cause of death. All for 6 credits on scotspeople (30 credits costs £6.00) So I now know where the family came from in IRELAND as opposed to just Ireland and the approx year of leaving Ireland- all from a siblings death record:) Wish a few more had gone to Scotland in the 1850's. (and hopefully had siblings who obligingly died there!) Carol

It looks like Horsley was his mothers maiden name - I have located the family in all census' and on the page for 1841 I have found Robert and Ann Horsley on the same page as Thornton and Ann Bulmer And in 1851 Ann Horsley (transcribed as Horsby) was living with Thornton and Ann listed as mother-in-law. I have saved all these ready to send to you Ian. -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian White Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:25 AM To: DUR-NBL-D@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1871 Census - BULMER in Hartlepool Can anyone with access to the 1871 Census for Hartlepool please look up Horsley BULMER and his family. He was born in 1844 at Hartlepool and his address was possibly on Bedford Street, Hartlepool. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ian White in Canada. Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada. ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 29/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 29/11/2006

Ian I have found the following Horsley BULMER living at 2 John St South, Hartlepool with parents Thornton and Ann BULMER. Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4914; Folio: 100; Page: 42; GSU roll: 848014. Will send off list if you think it’s the right one. Jacqui in OZ -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian White Sent: Friday, 1 December 2006 6:25 AM To: DUR-NBL-D@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1871 Census - BULMER in Hartlepool Can anyone with access to the 1871 Census for Hartlepool please look up Horsley BULMER and his family. He was born in 1844 at Hartlepool and his address was possibly on Bedford Street, Hartlepool. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ian White in Canada. Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada. ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 29/11/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.15.0/557 - Release Date: 29/11/2006

In a message dated 01/12/2006 04:31:58 GMT Standard Time, hsouthen@ihug.co.nz writes: In the photo Sarah looks to be in her late teens. ___________________________________________________________ In that case it would be in the early 1850s. In 1851 a new era in photography was introduced by Frederick Scott Archer, who introduced the Collodion process. This process was much faster than conventional methods, reducing exposure times to two or three seconds, thus opening up new horizons in photography. Prices for daguerreotypes varied, but in general would cost about a guinea (£1.05), which would be the weekly wage for many workers. The collodion process, however, was much cheaper; prints could be made for as little as one shilling (5p). However there are no photographers called Thirlwell in the 1858 Durham & Northumberland Trades Directory Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org http://www.one-name.org/profiles/mapstone.html

In a message dated 01/12/2006 04:31:58 GMT Standard Time, hsouthen@ihug.co.nz writes: The photo was taken by someone Thirlwell. I wish to establish if this ia a relative of Sarah's so if anyone can tell me about this photographer I'd be very grateful. Helen ________________________________________________________________________ Thirlwell & Co., Photographers, were in Stockton in 1902, and Darlington and West Hartlepool in 1914 Regards Stan Mapstone http://www.mapstone.org

In a message sent a few minutes ago seeking Horsley BULMER in Hartlepool in the 1871 census, I was actually seeking Thornton BULMER, born in Hartlepool in 1844. His wife's name was Ann(e), and he was possibly living on Bedford Street. These two persons were related. Apologies for any inconvenience created. Thanks, Ian White in Canada. Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada.

Can anyone with access to the 1871 Census for Hartlepool please look up Horsley BULMER and his family. He was born in 1844 at Hartlepool and his address was possibly on Bedford Street, Hartlepool. Any and all help would be much appreciated. Thanks, Ian White in Canada. Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada.