Hi Everyone, Following on from both John & Carol's postings can I just say if you are using ancestry and checking an entire area like Houghton le Spring please check the number on the page you are reading tallies with the number in the box at the top of the page. After reading Carol's posting I checked to see if page 27 was missing and I found page 18 is also missing BOTH HAVE BEEN REPORTED TO ANCESTRY. An easy way to check is to open the last page of a district first, check the page numbers, if they tally then no missing pages. If they don't watch out for the missing images and PLEASE report them to ancestry. Margaret Hall, Wallsend. -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Carolgriff@aol.com Sent: 07 January 2007 12:36 To: zen34780@zen.co.uk; DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] 1861 census incomplete pages Houghton-le-Spring Hi I can partially help you in as much as my John Metcalf was in Houghton 1861, he isnt on ancestry or durham records on line but a kind person on either here or rootschat- I forget which, hada spare credit or 2 and found him on 1837.com (i think it was there). he was definately in houghton le Spring and all details were correct. Hope this puts your mind at rest at least. carol

Dear Phillip, I am most greatful for the information regarding Mary Ellens Death. We have been looking for years..... Mary Ellen was my Fathers Sister. This is a real break through. Thanks again for your your kind help. Very best Wishes Iris and John Ellis

Happy New Year Everyone from sunny Western Australia My surname name interests for 2007 are: INNERD any and all for the NBL AND DUR region from 1789 to present. TODD - Warden - Haydon Bridge NBL region from 1680 to 1750 TODD - Newborough - Witten Stone - Ogle NBL region from 1789 - present BATY - Bolam - Chirton - Belsay NBL region from 1800 to 1901approx BROWN - Isabella born 1816 in Mitford NBL WINLAY - South Shields DUR region c1827 WINLAY - Embleton - Woodhorn - Hepscott - Beldington - Seaton Delaval NBL region from 1841 - 1891 HERON - HEARON - Longbenton - Byker - Newcastle Upon Tyne region NBL from c1754 - 1900 (The Heron family owned and ran a Corn Mill in the BYKER area which I believe still exists) DODDS - Bishop Auckland - Heightington DUR region - from 1700 - 1786 DODDS - Newcastle Upon Tyne NBL region from 1800 - 1900 Anyone with interests with any of these families I would love to hear from you. Vicki Hot and Sunny Perth WA AUS

Although this info doesn't help with this particular enquiry, it is something to consider when you need census entries that can't be found elsewhere. So far FreeCEN has transcribed over 30% of the 1861 census for Co. Durham although not the Houghton Le Spring pieces yet. If you are looking for someone in Co. Durham it's certainly worth a try. And, of course, the project would be completed much quicker if there were more volunteers to transcribe, check or validate the data. Anyone who has a little spare time and believes that the census should be freely available to all can volunteer either by looking at the FreeCEN website at www.freecen.org.uk or by dropping me an email and I'll pass you on to any area coordinator of your interests. Regards, Irene Marlborough FreeCEN Coordinator for Manchester 1861 http://www.freecen.org.uk

Hi Thanks Margaret for explaining what I should do if I come across this again. Who knows who else could be missing! Carol

John, I dusted off my census set and looked at RG9/3752 fol.81 p.27 as someone cited in a message answer. No family named James Allen/Allan at all, I looked a few folio before and all the way to the end to folio 94 and it says written on the page "End of Part of Township of Houghton Le Spring" these were not fragments of pages either. I am unable to reproduce the entry on the 1837 website or on Durhamrecordsonline. I am looking for James Allen/Allan age about 72 born in Newburn, NBL right? Or Jane Allen/Allan about age 70 born Newburn? Janis

<HEDLEY Any info on a Margaret Hedley b abt 1810 South Shields, married Francis Bell SMALL in Christ Church Tynemouth 10 Apr 1831. This is all I know about my gggrandmother> Hi Jan, Just in case it is helpful, a little earlier there is the following baptism in the South Shields Presbyterian Church (as per LDS film 917001) - RG8/11: Margt daughter of Samuel & Margt Hedly was born April 20 & baptised 22 1802 I am also looking for HEDLEY family members in South Shields in this period, in particular the birth/ baptism around 1792/3 of Mary Ann HEDLEY who married Edward Davis, St Hilda's, South Shields, in 1820. Regards, Ingrid

Oops just checked and it was help from a rootschat person and it was DURHAM RECORDS ONLINE who had him on the census 1861 so maybe you could check there. It was also on 1837 the folio was RG9/3752 fol.81 p.27. Good luck carol

Hi I can partially help you in as much as my John Metcalf was in Houghton 1861, he isnt on ancestry or durham records on line but a kind person on either here or rootschat- I forget which, hada spare credit or 2 and found him on 1837.com (i think it was there). he was definately in houghton le Spring and all details were correct. Hope this puts your mind at rest at least. carol

Happy 2007 to All! I have a problem with my 3x great grandfather, Andrew Telford, as seems not to have been born at all. Well, not under TELFORD anyhow. According to censuses, he would have been born c1831. In Alnwick, I believe. I have him in Wilson St, South Shields in the 1871 census and in Brunswick St in the 1881 but under the name of BOHILLS. So I started digging under BOHILLS. To cut a very long story short, I now believe my Andrew to Belong to Robert Bohills and wife Mary (surname unknown). I have Robert on censuses 1841 - 71. His place of birth Dunstan's Hill / Embleton. Andrew is with them on 1841 with a sister Margaret, who died a few years later, and with sister Mary in the 1851 census. On these, Andrew's place of birth is Alnwick. He appears to have 'disappeared' as of the 1861 census. I suspect this is about the time he married Elizabeth Hume in / around South Shields, although I cannot find a record. He and Elizabeth had children: Margaret (my 2x g/grandmother, born Dec 1867 and reg under TALFORD), Ann, Caroline and Robert. Elizabeth was first married to Thomas Forsyth c1852 but I cannot find that marriage either. On the 1851 census, Elizabeth is at Donaldson's Lodge, Cornhill NBL (on the Scottish border) with Thomas and her in laws. On the 1841 census I found an Elizabeth HUME also at Donaldson's Lodge with, quite possibly, her mother, Mary. On the 1841 census, Thomas is with his parents in Chatton but was baptised at Crookham Presbyterian. Interestingly, one doesn't find Andrew Telford and Andrew Bohills in the censuses together. I find one or the other, but not both in the same census at the same time. I was wondering if anyone had access to the registers of any of the above parishes and was able to see if an Andrew TELFORD / BOHILLS was born in Alnwick c1831, or for marriage of Robert BOHILLS & Mary ? at some point before that, either in Embleton or Alnwick. I've even entertained the idea that this may have been a remarriage for Mary ? and that Andrew was originally a TELFORD, was know as BOHILLS as a child / youth, then revered to TELFORD as an adult. Not to mention Andrew's marriage to Elizabeth c1862, probably in South Shields (this is when first hubby Thomas Forsyth died) or Elizabeth's marriage to Thomas c1851/52. Need I say I am losing my mind! Many thanks Lee Melbourne Australia

Hello, Thanks for your reply Heather. Yes, it is the same family of Glovers which we are referring to. The Ethel you mention was the daughter of Ethel Glover who was born in 1880 and died in 1928 at Dunstan, Gateshead. I have sent you a longer e-mail off line. Greetings. Arthur Rutherford.

Hi All, Took some pics of St. Andrews Auckland War Memorial [Bishop Auckland] and have transcribed the names ....hopefully correct! if anyone would like an image mail me! here is the run down.... D.L.I. APPLETON J.K. AGBIN J.F.G. BACON H. BAILEY G.B. BAKER W. BELL G. BRAND J. BRAITHWAITE C.S. BRAITHWAITE J.G. BRAMHALD T. BRIDDICK J. BROWN H. BUCKLE T.A. BRUMWELL J.W. CASSIDY D. CHAMBERS J. CHRISTIAN C.M. COGLAN G. CONDON J. COOPER C. CRAGGS J. CROUGHTON W. DAVIS E. DEAN A. DENTON J.W. DINSDALE W. DIXON A.J. DIXON T. DUNCAN T.W. DUNN T. ENGLISH L. FAIRLESS J.W. FEATHERSTONE H. FENWICK R. FIRBANK T.E. FROST J. GALLAGHER G. GLADWELL W. GOODFELLOW J.R. HALL J. HARRISON W.E. HEBDON R. HEIGHINGTON F.W. HERDMAN R.R. HIRD J. HOUGHTON F.H. HOGHTON F. HOWE R.W. HOWSON J.S. HUDSPETH J. HUGHES C. HULL C. HUTCHINSON M.H. JACKSON W.E. JARDINE J.W. JARRETT S.F.A. JUDCE G. KELL W.H. KELLER E. KNIGHT G. LAIDLAW J. LOCKEY A.M. LUMLEY H. MAWSON A. MAWSON R. McDONOUGH J. MERRITT F. MORELANS J.L. MORLEY G.W. MOOGY W. MOORE A. MOYLE J.W. MURRAY F. MYERS J.J. NATTRASS J. NEAL T. NEWTON H. NICHOLSON S.M. PALLISTER T.R. PATTISON J. PATTISON JOS. PATTERSON I. PATTINSON A. PENNINGTON A.W. PENMAN J. PERCIVAL G.E. POSTLEWHITE P. PRATT T. PYBUS R. RATCLIFFE W. RICHARDSON J.B. ROBERTS J. ROBINSON J. ROBINSON J.K. ROBSON G.W. ROGERS W. ROSS A.B. ROSS J. ROSS W. RUDD F. RUDLING E.E. SHOULDER J. SHUTTLEWORTH J.F. SMART J.T. SMART R.W. SMITH A. SMITH J. SMITH W.S. SNOW P.A. SNOWDEON A. SOUTHAM J.W. SOUTHERN J.H. SOWERBY T. BROWN E. WILSON E.S. d.c. WILSON E. TAYLOR H. TAYLOR J. TAYLOR W. VARLEY M.W. VART H. WALLIS W. WALTON B. WALTON J. WATSON J. WATSON J. WATSON THO. WATS0N T. WEATHERELL H. HEDLEY G. CHARLTON G. g.g. DOWSON W. WELFORD Jn. WELFORD J. WILMOT A.E. WILSON H.L. WILSON Htn. L. WOOD M. WOOD Mce. WOODWARD W. WRENCH J.G. WRENCH T.G. WRIGHT W. BROWN A. NEILSON W. s.g. BLYTHE C.E. g.g. MILLMOOR A.R.N. TAYLOR M. CARTER E.B.P. m.m. HARDCASTLE H.W.R. MAWSON J. SMITH J.T. rno WILSON G. rno TARN E. e.r.y. LAMB I.G. esr GUY J.K. osb MARTIN J.A. lan PRATT J. AITKEN F. CANNEY N. FEATHERSTONE T sr. BROWN J. sli COOPER F. sli LUNSON T. leic SCOTT J. sf NORTHUMBERLAND FUSILIERS BENSHAW T.W. BORLACE W. BRADLEY J. DAVIS J. GREEN J.W. HESLOP W. KENDREW A.S. LIDDLE J. LIDDLE W. LONGSTAFF W. MARTIN S.J. PATTISON R. PATTISON G. POUNDER P. RICHARDSON B. RICHARDSON G. ROBSON J.R. ROWELL T.W. SCOTT J.H. SHEPHERD W. SIMPSON J. TATE R.W. VASEY E. VASEY J.E. E. YORKS BAINBRIDGE A.A. BROWN J. COOPER G.H. CROOKS E. ELLIOTT T. FODDEN N.H. HAYKIN H. HUTTON J. LONGSTAFF J. PEVERELL J. PEVERELL F. STEPHENSON J.G.E. TARN E.G. VART H. VICKERS T. WADE W.J. WALKER W. WOMAR A. WOODWARD W. K.R.R. BELL F. HAW R. HUTCHINSON H. LOFT P.T. PATTERSON J.G. PATTISON A. ROBINSON R.E. YOUNG A. K.O.Y.L.I. AYRE H. COATSWORTH W. HOBSON R.H. HOWE J. W.Y. ? BAINES S. BORAN R.O. GARDNER F. HUTCHISON J.H. PARISH C. FARRELL E. MARSHALL J. JOHNSON E. SHOULDER O. SMURTHWAITE T. WOMAR F. ARMSTRONG S. BRECKON G.W. SMITH A.B. TEESDALE J.W. RODDAM J. TODD R. FEATHERSTONE R.Wts. THOMPSON B. HULL G.G. http://groups.msn.com/AtterbyFamilyHistory http://groups.msn.com/SouthDurhamEnglandGraveyards

Hello again Karen, Our Ann Forsters really don't appear to be the same person. They were born about the same time but the parents of mine were definitely William (from Tanfield), a cartwright, and Mary (from Newcastle). There were lots of Forsters around making it difficult to separate the families but I expect they were all related way way back anyway. If I come across any links eventually, I'll let you know. Regards, Eileen

Greetings This my first post and I am hoping that someone can help me find the birth and death dates (plus GRO index references) of my husband’s grandfather, George Pringle who married Josephine Dodds on 16th August 1900. His father was Robert Pringle and his mother (I think) was Mary Ann Haddock. George Pringle was married and died in Ushaw Moor as far as I know. George was a coal miner as was his father Robert Pringle. Purchasing the marriage certificate was easy but I have made several costly mistakes when trying to purchase the birth and death certificates. There were any number of babies named George Pringle who born around 1877 and I am now totally confused. George Pringle married Josephine Dodds in the Holy Trinity Church in the Parish of Dalton le Dale. George’s residence at the time was Bearpark. If anyone can give me some advice/help I will be most grateful. Kind regards Marian Pringle Sydney, Australia

Hello, I would like to thank Grant Staines for posting many Family Notices Deaths and also for his kindness in finding the death of ETHEL GLOVER of Gateshead for me. Many, many thanks Grant for enabling me to fill a gap in my Glover research. Grant did say that if any other kind lister was going to the Gateshead Library Family History Centre they may be able to look at the Death Records there. The reference is : ETHEL GLOVER DIED AGE 48 GATESHEAD VOL 10a PAGE 875 Her death would have been in 1928 or early in 1929. I would appreciate it if someone has planned to go to the Gateshead Library and if they would be kind enough to look this up for me. Many thanks in anticipation. Greetings. Arthur Rutherford Poole, Dorset.

John Wow how on earth have you found "conclusive corroborative evidence" for all that?JillJill Turner > From: john@parkhousemews.co.uk> To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 11:19:04 +0000> Subject: [DUR-NBL] Frances WILLIAMSON> > Hi Eileen> > Don't assume that, because Frances' death certificate shows she as a widow,> this is true. With a seafaring husband, he may have just "strayed". Like> Jenny, I have seafaring ancestors and this is more common that you may> imagine.> > And, like Jill TURNER's note, I have many name changes and borrowed> identities, too. I have, for my own Father, 3 separate identities and a> black hole: John William Frederick FORREST, b. 4 Aug 1882 in North Shields> (true), joins the Royal Garrison Artillery in 1904 as John William GILBERT> (the married name of his elder sister), appears as JWFF in Southampton,> married with 2 children, last born 1914, disappears in 1919 from the Isle of> Wight and then reappears in the 1930's in Hammersmith, London, as William> James LOVE, "b. 4 Aug 1887". This identity, I believe, is based on a> Liverpool sailor! 1919-1934 is a mystery but I'm homing in on a William> LOVE sailing out of Bermuda!> > The moral is "Never believe what anyone writes down without conclusive> corroborating evidence". In the case of a death certificate, it is hearsay.> > Best regards,> > John> > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 20:17:03 -0000> From: "Eileen Sturt" <eileen.sturt@tiscali.co.uk>> Subject: [DUR-NBL] John Williamson , Mariner> To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com>> Message-ID: <002701c73106$82e52a90$0201a8c0@eileenbb6cb466>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Hello Jenny,> Many thanks for all your "techniques" for extracting the information from> the census returns- they have been a great help and I have had lots of fun> exploring . Your discovery of a possible John Williamson senior though,in> 1871, can't be correct because he had died before his wife Frances died> early in 1867. Her death certificate shows her a widow. > I have written to the holders of the Wellesley records and am hoping they> come up with some clues about the boys' parentage. I will try the Mariners> list too as I now feel sure I have the correct ship in 1861 and, as you say,> someone is likely to know whether or not she went down, etc.> Thanks once again, Eileen> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ====> To Post a message to this list send it to,> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ====> List Web Page> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml> > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jackie. Please tell me more of your TOKINSONS. What/who are you looking for? My Grandfather's mother was a TONKINSON -not born in Sunderland/Monkwearmouth Shore-BUT the family settled in the area and stayed there. Betty. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jbeljones@aol.com> To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2007 3:47 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Joyce, Tonkinson, Nipper 1800's Sunderland area > Hello List and Happy New Year to All: > May this year be the year of crumbled brick walls. > > Wish exchange information on the following families: > > JOYCE Bishopwearmoutn, & Sunderland 1800's > TONKINSON Sunderland & Monkwearmouth Shore 1800's > NIPPER Monkwearmouth, & Sunderland 1800's > LANDRETH Tweedmouth 1803 Chester le Street 1800's > ROBSON: Earsdon 1792, Whickham, Swalwell, Winlanton 1800's > SHIELD; Whickham, Swalwell 1800's > ARMSTONG: Ovingham, NBHL 1800's > FORSTER: Washington, 1780's Jarrow, & Kelloe 1800's > GARDNER: Gateshead, 1800's > > Happy Hunting > Jackie, Southern California > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Karen, My g. g. grandmother, Frances Forster was born in South Shields in 1836. Her sister, Ann, was born there in 1844. Ann is on the 1861 census with her parents, William and Mary, in Brunswick Street Westoe. Frances was also living in Brunswick St., with her son, Thomas Forster Williamson, her husband, John Williamson being away at sea. I have no idea what happened to Ann after that because I think both her parents had died before the 1871 census and if Ann had married before 1871, I would not know what name to look for. We could well have the same Ann but until you can establish a few more details, we won't know for certain if there are any links at all. I do hope there are! Regards Eileen

Hi Arthur I was interested in your posting - not because I can help you - or even that we had GLOVERs in the family - but my mother used to talk about her friend who was called Ethel GLOVER. Now this Ethel GLOVER lived in Dunston which is in the Gateshead Registration district, but would have been younger than the one you are looking for - probably the next generation. My mother was born in 1913. There may have been a sister, or perhaps a cousin, called Winnie GLOVER of about the same age or younger. If you think this may be your family, I will ask my sister if she can remember anything my mother said about them. I might even find a photograph, as it seems to me that my Mom had one, and her stuff is all in my store room waiting to be sorted! Heather formerly from Balydon, but now living in Saskatoon, Canada Arthur Rutherford wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to thank Grant Staines for posting many Family Notices Deaths > and also for his kindness in finding the death of ETHEL GLOVER of Gateshead > for me. Many, many thanks Grant for enabling me to fill a gap in my Glover > research. > > Grant did say that if any other kind lister was going to the Gateshead > Library Family History Centre they may be able to look at the Death Records > there. The reference is : > > ETHEL GLOVER DIED AGE 48 > GATESHEAD > VOL 10a > PAGE 875 > > Her death would have been in 1928 or early in 1929. > I would appreciate it if someone has planned to go to the Gateshead Library > and if they would be kind enough to look this up for me. > > Many thanks in anticipation. > > Greetings. > > Arthur Rutherford > Poole, Dorset. > >

Hello List and Happy New Year to All: May this year be the year of crumbled brick walls. Wish exchange information on the following families: JOYCE Bishopwearmoutn, & Sunderland 1800's TONKINSON Sunderland & Monkwearmouth Shore 1800's NIPPER Monkwearmouth, & Sunderland 1800's LANDRETH Tweedmouth 1803 Chester le Street 1800's ROBSON: Earsdon 1792, Whickham, Swalwell, Winlanton 1800's SHIELD; Whickham, Swalwell 1800's ARMSTONG: Ovingham, NBHL 1800's FORSTER: Washington, 1780's Jarrow, & Kelloe 1800's GARDNER: Gateshead, 1800's Happy Hunting Jackie, Southern California