Dear list members My husband and I are finally going to plan the trip to England we have always wanted to take. I would like some help, in the way of tips, suggestions and advice,that would help us make the most of it. We are not rich americans but just working people and don't want to wipe out a big portion of our savings. The only real tourist -y thing we will do is probably two days in London, Stonehenge. We want to spend most of our time in the northeast. I don't think we want to stay in Hotels but prefer small Bed and Breakfasts or guest houses, because I understand that that is much cheaper. The idea is to stay where native's stay when they visit other parts of Britain, as that would give more of a flavor of the place and the people. We want to see Ryhope and Tunstall in County Durham, Earsdon, and Murton in Northumberland and Kirkmampton, Burg-by Sands, Kirkandrews and Beaumont area in in Cumberland. These are the areas that my husband's family came from. I would like to know if any of you can reccomend such accomodations in these areas? A friend of mine told me that although you can book ahead of time from here in the states, that she found that if she had waited till she got over there and booked it would have been cheaper. We haven't decided if we should take the railpass or rent a car. If we get a railpass can we get to the areas we want to by bus real easy? I would like to know other peoples experiences with these ideas. ( Peter - I am looking forward to a few long e-mails from you.) ( Ann - I think you can help me in your area.) Please feel free to send me anything you want to that you think would help, off list is just fine- probably preferable. I thank you very much for your time and input. Sincerely Sandy Pensylvania U.S.A.

In a message dated 02/01/2007 23:28:26 GMT Standard Time, gary.park@boltblue.com writes: Until 1971 there were nine rows and other assorted buildings; a club, an institute, a pub, a school, chaplaincy etc.. At the height of coal production in the area some several hundred people lived in the village. I have a scan of a poem loaned to me by my late Mother, who lived in Ra'liff, which is the way she pronounced the name, for no more than 2 years in the 1930's, yet never forgot her memories of it. The poem describes life in the village "way back when" and I would be only too happy to pass it on as an attachment to anyone who would like a copy. Please email me direct as attachments are not allowed to messages to the list. Regards, Keith in the original Washington.

In a message dated 16/01/2007 22:27:59 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: They were at Horsley Hill, next to The Marsden Inn, but are long gone. The site is now used as an old peoples home, but it was previously a convalescent home. ______________________________________________________ Horsley Hill is 1.25 miles north of the Marsden Inn, and is well outside of the 1901 Enumeration District which stops at Redwell Lane. The description of the District contains "........Station Row, Marsden Grotto, Convalescent House, Marsden Inn, Marsden Hall and cottages etc. etc." Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 16/01/2007 17:20:49 GMT Standard Time, philip@konti.demon.co.uk writes: They were at Horsley Hill, next to The Marsden Inn, but are long gone. The site is now used as an old peoples home, but it was previously a convalescent home. ________________________________________________________________________ They are not marked on the old maps. All that is shown near to the Marsden Inn is Marsden Hall and the Lizards. Regards Stan Mapstone Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 16/01/2007 17:20:49 GMT Standard Time, philip@konti.demon.co.uk writes: They were at Horsley Hill, next to The Marsden Inn, but are long gone. The site is now used as an old peoples home, but it was previously a convalescent home. ________________________________________________________________________ They are not marked on the old maps. All that is shown near to the Marsden Inn is Marsden Hall and the Lizards. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 16/01/2007 09:02:44 GMT Standard Time, Georger14738@aol.com writes: Could anyone please explain to me if the parish records before 1837 only give the Baptisms or can you find out the date of the birth. Thanks in advance. Still have a lot to learn. __________________________________________________________________ Hi George, I forgot to mention the Shute Barrington registers. Bishop Shute Barrington was the bishop of Durham and Northumberland who asked that all parish registers in Northumberland and Durham be kept in great detail. The entries affect only Northumberland and Durham for the years 1797 - 1812 Regards Stan Mapstone

Thanks everyone for filling me in about the parish records. George

It is worth considering the type of church where the christening took place as well. Many of my coal mining ancestors were non conformists who were christened as adults. Net ----- Original Message ---- From: Ian Robinson <treeman@netvigator.com> To: Georger14738@aol.com; DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 16 January, 2007 12:46:04 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Parish Records George, In the majority of cases I have found that only the record of the baptism date is shown. However this very much depends upon the parish and minister who was doing the recording. If you are lucky then you will find two columns in the records showing both the date of birth and the baptism . In most cases when both are shown the dates are usually between 2-30 days apart but there appears to be no fixed rule this. Cheers Ian in Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: <Georger14738@aol.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 5:00 PMo this. Subject: [DUR-NBL] Parish Records > Could anyone please explain to me if the parish records before 1837 only > give the Babtisms or can you find out the date of the birth. Thanks in > advance. > Still have a lot to learn. > George > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 16/01/2007 12:48:49 GMT Standard Time, treeman@netvigator.com writes: In most cases when both are shown the dates are usually between 2-30 days apart but there appears to be no fixed rule this. _________________________________________________ The Book of Common Prayer stated: The Curates of every Parish shall often admonish the people, that they defer not the Baptism of their Children longer than the first or second Sunday next after their birth, or the other Holy-day falling between, unless upon a great and reasonable cause, to be approved by the Curate. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 16/01/2007 09:02:44 GMT Standard Time, Georger14738@aol.com writes: Could anyone please explain to me if the parish records before 1837 only give the Baptisms or can you find out the date of the birth. Thanks in advance. Still have a lot to learn. ________________________________________________________ Hi George, No, the date of birth is rarely given. No fixed format was laid down until Rose's 1812 Act when separate specially printed books were required for baptisms, marriages and burials. In these registers I have occasionally seen birth dates entered in the margin next to the baptism entry. You have to remember that the Parish Registers were only records of Religious ceremonies, and not like the later civil registration records. Regards Stan Mapstone

>Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 20:06:22 -0000 >From: "Graham Harper" <mgharper@mgharper.co.uk> >Subject: [DUR-NBL] convalescence home whitburn >To: "DUR-NBL mailing list" <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <009601c738e0$acf0f210$4001a8c0@MAINPC> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hi Listers >Happy New Year to you all > >Does anyone out there know where the convalescence homes were in >Whitburn. These were for miners and their families. >Are they still intact or long since gone? They were at Horsley Hill, next to The Marsden Inn, but are long gone. The site is now used as an old peoples home, but it was previously a convalescent home. I would suggest you contact the Local Studies Department at South Shields Library for further information. Cheers ------ Philip

Dear listers Over Christmas I had a fairly successful visit to the Tyne and Wear Archives while I was visiting my family in the North East. Since my visit I have discovered a further marriage on GENUKI that I'm very interested in getting details of. This is the marriage between Mary Jackson and Joseph Wright on 18th September 1825 at Newcastle St John. I was wondering if someone might have access to this register and transcribe the details for me (I hoping that Mary was a widow). I'm not going to be able to visit the Tyne and Wear Archives for quite some time to access the records myself. Yours hopefully Alison

In a message dated 15/01/2007 20:49:39 GMT Standard Time, mgharper@mgharper.co.uk writes: Does anyone out there know where the convalescence homes were in Whitburn. These were for miners and their families. Are they still intact or long since gone? Any help greatly appreciated. ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Graham, According to the description of the Enumeration District for the 1891 and 1901 Censuses, the Convalescent Home(s) were in the area of the Marsden Grotto and Marsden Inn. However they are not marked on the old maps of the area. They were also there in the 1881 Census. Regards Stan Mapstone

I have seen that one on the LDS site but it doesn't give a source. They also have them marrying in Grinton, Yorkshire on the same day, same year. I have been in touch with Yorkshire record office and they have no record of that marriage so I'm assuming it's the Newcastle one. Newcastle record office say that there are too many church records for them to look through and suggest I employ a researcher. I was hoping someone in Newcastle might help before I took that route. Thanks Glenys

Trying to find more information on Charles Harrison. He was shown on the 1881 census of the Gateshead Union age 7, no parents were shown. In 1891 census he was shown as an apprentice shoemaker toWalter Blake at 24 Front St. Winlaton. at a later stage Charles was a Boot and Shoe maker at 5 North Street Winlaton. Would any records show if he was sent by the Union to Walter Blake also would he have apprentice papers. Any help appreciated. Fred Faulkner

Could anyone please explain to me if the parish records before 1837 only give the Babtisms or can you find out the date of the birth. Thanks in advance. Still have a lot to learn. George

Just a quick thank you to all the contributors who responded so quickly and helpfully to my queries. Once again many thanks, Jeff.

Hi Listers Happy New Year to you all Does anyone out there know where the convalescence homes were in Whitburn. These were for miners and their families. Are they still intact or long since gone? Any help greatly appreciated. Graham For reference I am looking at George Dodds on RG13 Piece 4738 Foilio 64 Page 35.

In a message dated 15/01/2007 20:49:39 GMT Standard Time, mgharper@mgharper.co.uk writes: Does anyone out there know where the convalescence homes were in Whitburn. These were for miners and their families. ____________________________________________________________________ What is the source and date of your information about Convalescent Homes in Whitburn, as there don't appear to be any references to any, or any shown on the various maps? Regards Stan Mapstone

Sorry Stan should have said Parish Records