Dear List I have just found the wonderful "Resource list by Parish" for Durham and also Northumberland that is on the FHS web site. I think it is realty helpful but I wonder if there is anyone who knows what the 1 - the colours mean in the list (Black, Red, Blue type) and also 2 - what the codes at the right hand side mean for example NF, OI, NRO etc. I have looked but cannot seem to find the information on either lists which is such a shame as I think they are really helpful but could be even more so to those of us are looking from away and seeking to find out for certain parishes what information is available. Sorry in advance if it is widely known or listed down somewhere and I missed it. I would be very grateful if someone could let me know. Judy Bleay Cornwall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.8/648 - Release Date: 23 Jan 2007 11:04

Could anyone tell me if Coxhoe Hill and Quarrington Hill are the same place. Some of my family research includes these names. I know you drive up a hill from Coxhoe to Quarrington Hill. George

In a message dated 23/01/2007 16:28:00 GMT Standard Time, neil@clueful.co.uk writes: I would be interested in, for example, how he would derive the area of a field, say. But perhaps it would be too complex to fit into an email :-) __________________________________________________ The easiest way would be be to divide it into triangles. (: - )) Regards Stan Mapstone

There is no such thing as a 'coat of arms for a surname'. Many people of the same surname will often be entitled to completely different coats of arms, and many of that surname will be entitled to no coat of arms. Coats of arms belong to individuals. For any person to have a right to a coat of arms they must either have had it granted to them or be descended in the legitimate male line from a person to whom arms were granted or confirmed in the past. See http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ and http://www.ancestry.co.uk/learn/library/article.aspx?article=4133 and http://www.heraldicmedia.com/faq.html Regards Stan Mapstone

Would someone know of a website that gives information on who received a coat of arms in the past? Someone just told me about getting his family's coat of arms through a place called House of Names which I figure is one of the places that sells them. I've seen places set up in our shopping mall who used to do this as well. I don't remember what I've heard about coat of arms in the past, but I thought they went to an individual and that as that person married other symbols were sometimes added to the crest from the girl's family if they had a coat of arms. I thought I heard that the coat of arms only went down through the line of the person honored with it rather than to everyone with that surname. I would be interested in some information on this. Thank you. Jan Stitz djstitz@sbcglobal.net

John Richards born 1821-1824 Wolverhampton, Stafford Co death aft 1881 married Jane Rickhuss on Mar 24 1844 she was born Feb 15 1824 Wolverhampton,Stafford Co death Mar 1875 their children: Thomas born abt 1846 Wolverhampton, Stafford Eliza born abt 1848 Wolverhampton, Stafford Noah born abt 1851 Wolverhampton, Stafford James born abt 1857 Wolverhampton, Stafford Jane born abt 1860 Darliston, Stafford Co, Emma 20 Dec 1861 Darliston died USA (my 3x Grandmother) John Richards married Susan ? before 1881 I need to find John Richards birth & died dates & his marriage to Susan and any info on the children Sherry

In a message dated 23/01/2007 15:41:17 GMT Standard Time, bobnsher3@verizon.net writes: wife: Sarah born abt 1830 Stafford, Princenent ___________________________________________________ His wife is Susan. Regards Stan Mapstone

I would appreciate it if someone would look in the 1891 & 1901 census for John Richards born abt 1821 Stafford, Wolverhampton wife: Sarah born abt 1830 Stafford, Princenent John was living in Tanfield, Lintz Colliery, Lanchester in the 1881 census Thanks Sherry

In a message dated 23/01/2007 14:37:10 GMT Standard Time, judybleay@btinternet.com writes: 1 - the colours mean in the list (Black, Red, Blue type) and also 2 - what the codes at the right hand side mean for example NF, OI, NRO etc. ____________________________________________________________________ The colours simply refer to the various type of record Black= transcript, red= database, blue = fiche. The codes are probably their library reference codes, or show where the records came from. NRO is probably Northumberland Record Office. Regards Stan Mapstone

What was his occupation? Regards Stan Mapstone

In message <005101c73d87$52208250$18abfea9@D3Z9W1C1>, Sharon Peot <sharp4@centurytel.net> writes >I am looking for any information on John Smith born in Stockton, County >Durham abt. 1871 and living in Coxhoe, County Durham in 1891. His >fathers name was George Smith. John married Ann Horn in 1890 in Coxhoe. >Ann was from Castle Bolton, County Yorkshire. They had a daughter >Margaret born in 1892, South Otterington, sub district of Pickhill. If >anyone can help me on this I would appreciate it. >Thank you, >Sharon > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >To Post a message to this list send it to, >DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > Hello Sharon, There is this family in the 1881 which fits with your information above: Household Record 1881 British Census Search results | Download Previous Household Next Household ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability George SMITH Head M Male 48 Crakehall, York, England Agri Lab Susannah SMITH Wife M Female 44 Aiskew, York, England Agri Lab George SMITH Son Male 13 Crakehall, York, England Scholar John SMITH Son Male 11 Stockton, Durham, England Scholar William SMITH Son Male 6 Crakehall, York, England Scholar Isaac SMITH Son Male 4 Crakehall, York, England ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling The Green Census Place Crakehall, York, England Family History Library Film 1342173 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4871 / 91 Page Number 8 Note in 1891 there is a William Smith born Crakehall living next door to your John. RG12/4103 fol 60 p 30 - perhaps an uncle? Does George's occupation agree with that given on John's Marriage certificate? There are some Stockton Birth registrations here: <http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk/index.php> Regards, -- Helen Oram

In message <20070122002356.94559.qmail@web86007.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, PAUL CURRY <pcurry@btinternet.com> writes >I hope some can help. > > I am trying to trace the family of George BROWN who married Beatrice >Alice PAYNE (Pain/Paine). I have very limited information about George; > > 1900 marriage certificate (03 Dec 1900 - Newcastle Tyne) shows his >age as 21, and he is living at 292 Pilgrim Street Newcastle Upon Tyne >(just up the road from Beatrice). His father is shown as Thomas BROWN >(deceased) - Marine Engineer. > > The 1901 census shows George and Beatrice are living at 10 Frederick >Street Gateshead, and this is also recorded as George's birthplace. The >record shows both their ages as 19. George is a Shipyard Labourer. > > I cannot find a suitable record in either 1881 or 1891. Perhaps, I am >missing something. > > Can anyone help with information about George and Thomas? > > Many thanks, > > Paul > Hello Paul, There is a widow with a son George in 1891 George Brown Age: 8 Estimated birth year: abt 1883 Relation: Son Mother's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England Civil parish: Gateshead Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 25 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Brown 44 Ellen Brown 6 George Brown 8 Mary Ann Brown 3 Thomas Brown 15 William Brown 21 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4179; Folio 75; Page 31; GSU roll: 6099289. 1881 Ellen Brown Age: 32 Estimated birth year: abt 1849 Relation: Wife Spouse's name: Thomas Gender: Female Where born: Gateshead, Durham, England Civil parish: Gateshead County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: No 2 Pipewell Gate Martins Court Chattam Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: View image Registration district: Gateshead Sub-registration district: Gateshead ED, institution, or vessel: 24 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Ellen Brown 32 John T. Brown 9 Margaret A. Brown Thomas Brown 35 Thomas Brown 5 William J. Brown 11 Save This Record Attach this record to a person in your tree as a source record, or save for later evaluation. Save Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5036; Folio: 39; Page: 27; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342214. Thomas is an Engine fitter in 1881, which can broadly be classified as a marine engineer if he worked on ships. Something for you to investigate further anyway! Regards, -- Helen Oram

Hi Mike, Thankyou for putting me right about the search of the census being offered by the national archives. I don't think I will be wasting 45GBP just to be told my family no longer live at the given address. I know that both my own families and those of my husband moved about regularly from house to house and from place to place, if not from county to county. I would sooner save my money for something more useful and wait for the 1911 census to be put online by one of the subscription sites later on. Thanks again. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. Hi Jenny No, £45 is what TNA will charge for a search of the records currently available under the Freedom of Information Act. Unfortunately, in most cases, this will be money wasted, because the records they have are based only on addresses. They can't search for names, only addresses. So, unless you're sure where your relatives were on the night of the census in 1911, forget it.

The 45GBP is what the charge is now, not what it will be when the census goes online. The NA say that it is hoped that this service will commence on 17 January 2007. It will cost £45 and will have "sensitive information" removed, and until the index has been created, this is not going to be an easy task. The service will require a full and complete address, but this will be amended for villages and other areas where there are no house numbers. In this case the requesters should use the free text box to give as much information as possible that might help locate the right schedule, e.g. likely surnames. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 21/01/2007 23:35:27 GMT Standard Time, jennyda@terra.es writes: Is it not the case that what will be available for the 1911 in 2009 is a kind of search facility carried out by the Nat. Archives themselves at a fee of about 45GBP per search? This is what understood the information on the Nat. Archives site to mean. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong. _________________________________________________________________________ The 45GBP is for an address search only. The statement from the National Archives is that originally, the digital release date was expected in January 2012. However, the Information Commissioner's decision allows the National Archive to produce an online name and address search in advance of this date, with only personally sensitive data remaining closed until 2013. It does not say what 'sensitive data' is, at the census of 1911, however, a direct enquiry into the fertility of marriage was made for the first time. To obtain the necessary particulars four additional columns (6-9) were added to the schedule. PARTICULARS AS TO MARRIAGE Write "Single", "Married", "Widower" or "Widow" opposite the names of all persons aged 15 years and upwards State for each Married Woman entered on this Schedule the Number of: Completed years the present Marriage has lasted. If less than one year, write "under one" Children born alive to present Marriage (If no children born alive write "None" in Column 7) Total Children born alive Children still living Children who have died In 1911 householders were also specially asked to state those 'totally deaf or deaf and dumb, and those 'totally blind'. Enquiries into infirmity were not repeated after the census of 1911. Regards Stan Mapstone

I am going into Newcastle tomorrow - Monday and I will have time to call into the Local Studies department of the city library. If anyone would like a transcription of an entry from the index please let me know before 11.00am UK time. Please no more than TWO requests per person. Sorry about the short notice but I have just made contact with the family of my dad's brother and I forgot about everything else. Margaret Hall Wallsend.

Patricia, the findmypast, formerly 1837online, site has the deaths at sea index, go to their site and look for Overseas BMDs click the link then scroll through list of available indexes to find the deaths at sea. I don't have the link for the site but if you google for findmypast it should come up. regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > I'd really appreciate it if someone could help. > I'm trying to find the death of Thomas Scott born 1856 > in Greatham. > He married Margaret Hannah Suffield on the 31/12/1879 > and their daughter Amelia was born Oct/Nov 1880. > Thomas died before the 1881 census as this shows > Margaret as a widow. >

Is it not the case that what will be available for the 1911 in 2009 is a kind of seach facility carried out by the Nat. Archives themselves at a fee of about 45GBP per search? This is what understood the information on the Nat. Archives site to mean. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. > Hi Anne > This is all very interesting, but the 1911 census is already being > released > early, in 2009. It will take that long to transcribe and digitize the > records. The only information being withheld until 2012 is medical > information. > > See TNA for more info http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm >

I hope some can help. I am trying to trace the family of George BROWN who married Beatrice Alice PAYNE (Pain/Paine). I have very limited information about George; 1900 marriage certificate (03 Dec 1900 - Newcastle Tyne) shows his age as 21, and he is living at 292 Pilgrim Street Newcastle Upon Tyne (just up the road from Beatrice). His father is shown as Thomas BROWN (deceased) - Marine Engineer. The 1901 census shows George and Beatrice are living at 10 Frederick Street Gateshead, and this is also recorded as George's birthplace. The record shows both their ages as 19. George is a Shipyard Labourer. I cannot find a suitable record in either 1881 or 1891. Perhaps, I am missing something. Can anyone help with information about George and Thomas? Many thanks, Paul

Hi Jenny No, £45 is what TNA will charge for a search of the records currently available under the Freedom of Information Act. Unfortunately, in most cases, this will be money wasted, because the records they have are based only on addresses. They can't search for names, only addresses. So, unless you're sure where your relatives were on the night of the census in 1911, forget it. This isn't a ruse to stop people asking (although £45 will have that effect, I'm sure!). It's just how the records are currently compiled. The 1911 census info will look very different to what we've got used to. There won't be the enumerator's lists as we now see them (1841-1901) - just what people actually put on their actual census forms. One positive thing about this is that we'll actually be able to see our ancestors' handwriting etc... In 2009, TNA expect to be able to offer 1911 census info complete, except for medical info, which will remain closed until 2012 (which seems ridiculous to me, but I suppose they have to find some way of justifying their opposition all these years!) Regards Mike > > Is it not the case that what will be available for the 1911 in 2009 is a > kind of seach facility carried out by the Nat. Archives themselves at a > fee > of about 45GBP per search? This is what understood the information on the > Nat. Archives site to mean. I stand to be corrected if I am wrong. > > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis. > Spain. > > > Hi Anne > > This is all very interesting, but the 1911 census is already being > > released > > early, in 2009. It will take that long to transcribe and digitize the > > records. The only information being withheld until 2012 is medical > > information. > > > > See TNA for more info http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm > > >