A cart was a strong vehicle with two wheels, and without springs, used in farming operations, and for carrying heavy goods of various kinds. (Distinguished from a wagon, which has four wheels.) Regards Stan Mapstone

Jacquie, Did you get an e.mail from me in the past couple of days? I have been having problems with getting messages through to the list and am not sure whether those same messages are getting through to the intended subscriber too. I found proof, I think, that Catherine Logg could in no way be the mother of John Mercer shown in the census entry from 1891 that you found. If you would like to see the message that I intended sending please let me know and I will try re-sending it to you. Apologies to other listers for posting this to the list but I am trying to sort out the intermittent trouble I am having with Rootsweb, but no one seems to be able to sort it out. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain.

For info on Ralph Williamson and Barras(s) family go to tribalpages.com/tribes/healthvisitor where you can see them listed Ann Young

If the death happened after Civil Registration began, in July 1837, then you have to look up the death in the GRO index, General Register Office Index. You will find this index in major libraries in the UK and also on line at the Ancestry site www.acestry.co.uk You do not need to be a subscriber or to pay to view this particular index at the ancestry site, it is the only one that is free of charge on the site. Look for the death there and note the Registration District, the volume and Page number and of course the full name as given in the entry. You can then order the copy certificate from the GRO at Southport via their website. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ paying online for the copy. Or you could contac the District registrars office that currently holds the registers for the district that the death took lace in. Look at the Genuki pages for England and then go to the County pages for either Durham or Northumberland, the county where the death took place. Once there look under the heading Civil Registraion and you should find links to the addresses of the various district registrars offices in that county. Many district Registrars offices now have an e.mail address and if you contact them to ask you may find that they will take payment by credit by either letter or telephone call but the rarely have on line payment facilities. www.genuki.org.uk If you want to check details of your person against the entry to ensure that you have the right person in the death entry you have found then you can ask the district office to check what information you have against the entry and if it agrees you will be expected to buy the copy, if it doesn't agree with the entry you will not have to buy a copy, but don't expect the registrars to give out any information, they are not allowed to. The GRO at Southport will check an entry against information you can supply for checking but they make a charge for this service approximately half the cost of a cert. copy and you will also be charged for a copy of the matching entry, if the entry does not agree with your extra information you will only be charged the checking fee and nothing more. If the death occurred prior to July 1837 then you would have to search parish registers to find the burial of the person concerned. Start with the parish church for where the person lived and work out from there. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > Can anyone tell me please where to purchase a copy death certificate in > Northumberland?

Dear Listers, I have received a 1849 death certificate for a member of my family who died in 1849 @ "Benton, Red Houses", NBL. The occupation was given as "Cartman". The informant's residence was given as "Killingworth". I find on an Internet search... Carman/Charman/Carrier/Carter/Cartman Driver of (horse-drawn) vehicles for transporting goods. Carmen were often employed by railway companies for local deliveries and collections of goods and parcels. Modern day van driver. Also sometimes someone who drove horse-drawn trams was called a Carman. My question ... what was meant by the term "Cartman" during the 1849 time period? Was the job one of pushing a cart and would the cartman's occupation have been associated with the coal mines and miners or would it have been otherwise? Interestingly, at least to me, the cause of death was given as "Epidemic Cholera" something that I suspected since the wife's death occurred two day's prior. Thank you, Bette

Diane Ainsley Researching: Ainsley/Aynsley, Allison/Allinson, Mangles, Williamson Hello Diane, I too am researching "Williamson" but the rest of your names are not familiar to me. My G. Grandfather was Thomas Forster Williamson, b. 1859 in South Shields. His father was John Williamson, a mariner, possibly born in Shetland. John is my "brick wall". Any help with knocking it down would be much appreciated! Regards, Eileen

Hi Sandy, I have found them in 1841 in Earsdon, John is 2 and Ann I think is either 7 or 1 month old. Ann is only one born in county. I will send image offlist. Regards Jean. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gar W Davidson" <gwdlehigh@rcn.com> To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:09 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Ancestry lookup- Williamson > Diane > > Would very much appreciate it if you could try to find Ralph > Williamson, born about 1803 Murton, Northumberland, in the 1841 > Census. I don't know where he was living then (probably Earsdon) but > was in Ryhope in 1861 and in Holywell in 1851. > His wife is Margaret , born about 1811 or 1812 also in Murton, and > children till that point were Ralph, Francis, William, John and Ann > was born sometime in 1841, all near Earsdon. > > If you could find him in 1831 before his marriage in 1832 with his > parents that would be a great help in getting the next link. > > I really appreciate your effort, thank you. > > Sandy > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Linda - Just pulled up the page. This Mary must be my 2xGreat Grandmother Mary Liddle (nee Logg). I cannot find her in 1881 - She should be with her husband Robert but no luck at all there. ** Could this be her Class: RG11; Piece: 5006; Folio: 145; Page: 63; 21yo Servant to the DARLING Family in 19 Whitburn St, Sunderland Her husband I guess may have been off on a ship somewhere. ** Class: RG11; Piece: 5078; Folio: 184; Page: -8 24yo Fireman on the SS Commodore - listed as married. I can't even find a marriage but I did find this one below and am now beginning to think it the right one with all the other surname transcription errors everywhere else. 15/1/1877 - Parish Church Saint Mary, South Shields Robert LIDDLE 22 Bach Mariner Lord Nelson St Robert Liddle - Mariner Mary LONG 19 Spster South Shields Patrick Long - Porter Signed by Robert Liddle with the mark of Mary Long X Witnessed by X mark of Richard Wells and signed by (unknown) Wells -----Original Message----- "1871 census, RG10/ 5037, South Shields, Kirbys Stairs (Indexed as 'TONG') Catherine TONG (LOGG?) h, wid, 30, Hawker b Scotland Mary " d, unmarr, 12, Hawker b Scotland .... Linda" -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007

I need the 1841 & 1851 census lookup for John Pearry / Pearrey birth unknown wife: Jane birth unknown son: Thomas born abt 1824 Longbenton or Earsdon Thank you Sherry

Diane Would very much appreciate it if you could try to find Ralph Williamson, born about 1803 Murton, Northumberland, in the 1841 Census. I don't know where he was living then (probably Earsdon) but was in Ryhope in 1861 and in Holywell in 1851. His wife is Margaret , born about 1811 or 1812 also in Murton, and children till that point were Ralph, Francis, William, John and Ann was born sometime in 1841, all near Earsdon. If you could find him in 1831 before his marriage in 1832 with his parents that would be a great help in getting the next link. I really appreciate your effort, thank you. Sandy

As I am bit bored and feeling generous, if anyone wants a census record looking up on Ancestry.co.uk, send me the name, approx. year & place of birth and I will do some look-ups. Diane Ainsley Researching: Ainsley/Aynsley, Allison/Allinson, Mangles, Williamson _________________________________________________________________ Personalize your Live.com homepage with the news, weather, and photos you care about. http://www.live.com/getstarted.aspx?icid=T001MSN30A0701

Hi Patrick Civil registration did not start until 1837 so there will not be a death certificate. You would need to search Parish Registers for a burial for your person, to do that you really need to know the Parish they died in. There are some burials listed on the National Burial Index (not exactly National I know but thats its name) Coverage can be checked here http://www.ffhs.org.uk/General/Projects/NBI.htm The majority of the NBI can be checked here http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/ Its pay per view but very cheap. If you post the name and details, perhaps others may have some information on burials in North Shields? Do keep in mind though, that the detail is sparse on burial information, it may however lead you on to finding a monumental inscription, should one exist. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Can anyone tell me please where to purchase a copy death certificate in > Northumberland? > Thanks > Patrick

>I'm finding it very difficult to locate the family in other Census returns. >In 1881 - RG 11/5020 (page 7 or 36???) >In need of serious help >Jacqui in Melbourne ------------------------ Hi Jacqui, This may confuse things even more-) 1871 census, RG10/ 5037, South Shields, Kirbys Stairs (Indexed as 'TONG') Catherine TONG (LOGG?) h, wid, 30, Hawker b Scotland Mary " d, unmarr, 12, Hawker b Scotland James " s, 8, scholar b Scotland Patrick " s, 6, scholar b Scotland Robert " s, 2, b DUR South Shields Cheers Linda P.S. Hope this posting makes it to the list instead of straight to the archives -)

My Great Grandfather James Liddle appears on this Census return along with his 3 brothers and Grandmother. The more I look at this return the more confused I am. The entries concerned are 64 & 65 – 10 Salerna Street Westoe Schedule 64 Mercer, John H 39 Carter Newcastle Mercer, Mary Ann W 35 Sedghill, Northumberland Mercer, Margaret Ann D 12 At school South Shields, Durham Mercer, William Dobby S 10 At School South Shields, Durham Mercer, Elizabeth D 9 At School South Shields, Durham Mercer, Jane D 7 At School **(cant read it), Durham Schedule 65 Logg, Catherine M 49 Fish Dealer Glasgow, Scotland Logg, William S 15 At school South Shields, Durham Logg, John S 12 At school South Shields, Durham Liddle, Robert GS 11 At school South Shields, Durham Liddle, William GS 9 At school South Shields, Durham Liddle, James GS 5 At school South Shields, Durham Liddle, John George GS 2 At school South Shields, Durham This is how I read the Census but if you read the transcribed view on Ancestry instead it lists William and John Logg as Mercer. This also says that Catherine is John (H) mother - according to this census there's only 10yrs difference??? The LIDDLE boy's mother Mary Liddle (nee Logg) died 11/9/1890 from a fall down stairs at home - her husband Robert Liddle was a Mariner - I'm not sure if its him but I found a Robert Liddle in 1891 on the SS Commodore. Thanks to Margaret for the small snippet from the paper about the fall. I'm finding it very difficult to locate the family in other Census returns. In 1881 - RG 11/5020 (page 7 or 36???) Murray, Catherine H/W 42 Glasgow, Scotland Logg, James S 18 Cartman Glasgow, Scotland Logg, Patrick S 16 Cartman Edinburgh, Scotland Logg, Robert S 14 South Shields, Durham Logg, William M S 5 South Shields, Durham Logg, John M S 1 South Shields, Durham   In need of serious help Jacqui in Melbourne -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.14/658 - Release Date: 29/01/2007

In a message dated 30/01/2007 14:24:29 GMT Standard Time, PDY41@aol.com writes: Can anyone tell me please where to purchase a copy death certificate in Northumberland? ___________________________________________________________________ You won't get a death cerificate for 1829. Civil registration did not start until july 1837. Regards Stan Mapstone

Can anyone tell me please where to purchase a copy death certificate in Northumberland? Thanks Patrick

Is there some kind person on the list who has access to the Newcastle Evening Chronicle for 24 March 1899 who would look up the death notice for DANIEL REMFRY age 77 at Heaton. I found this reference on Genuki but do not have access to this paper and would love to know what the death notice says. Thanks in anticipation. Janeen McLachlan Inverloch Australia

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I would like to thank all who wrote me, about downloading blank family tree forms found what I needed Thanks you all once again Bob

Hi All, I've found the following death notice on genuki from the Newcastle Evening Chronicle that I believe relate to my family and wondered if visiting the library/archives and would be kind enough to check and transcribe the notice for me. Mary McCAFFERY 6th August 1897 Felling All help is appreciated. Regards Karen West Yorkshire