Dear Margaret, Many many thanks for looking up and sending a copy of the death notice of Hannah Cawthorn from the Newcastle evening chronicle. Unfortunately it is not the one I had hoped but it has actually narrowed the search for me. In actual fact I would not be at all surprised if there was not a link into this family. So I shall gratefully keep this information to check where the link might be. Many thanks again Judy Bleay Cornwall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release Date: 30 Jan 2007 23:30

>Could someone please tell me where the police records for Northumberland >are kept for the years 1861 to 1895. Looking for Constable and then >Sergeant PHILIP SPENCE. > Glenys. Glenys - Adding to Stan's reply, I ordered some Police Records a few years back for a constable in Newcastle, through Tyne and Wear Archives Service. http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/ Cheers Linda

Hi all. My 2x great grandparents were John MORTON and Ann HINDSON of Shield Row, County Durham, Ann according to census info was born about 1807 and the 1841 census for Shield Row lists her as being born in county, the 1851 census is confusing over her birthplace as it does not say what county but gives a place called Coldchester and I rule Colchester in Suffolk out as there does not seem to have been HINDSON'S at that place but there are HINDSON'S at Shield Row, I think the most likely parent for Ann is a shopkeeper called Jane HINDSON a single woman who has at least four children one of whom I cannot find any birth or baptism records, so if she has neglected one baptism it is quite possible that Ann is her child and has also not been baptised. I would love to hear if anyone can enlighten me on this subject or anyone researching the same families. Cheers. Wilf

In a message dated 03/02/2007 11:17:38 GMT Standard Time, mtokely@aanet.com.au writes: I am trying to locate a death entry for Richard Humble pre registration. If he was killed in a mine disaster in Jarrow,and say his body was not recovered, would there be a death record anywhere? _____________________________________________________________ See http://www.dmm.org.uk/ or http://www.cmhrc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 02/02/2007 22:54:28 GMT Standard Time, lindavpri@optusnet.com.au writes: Adding to Stan's reply, I ordered some Police Records a few years back for a constable in Newcastle, through Tyne and Wear Archives Service. http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/ _____________________________________________________________________ I also got some details for my great great grandfather who was a policeman in Sunderland from Tyne & Wear Archives, but they don't have many records for Northumberland Police what they have can be seen at. http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/pdf/userguide14.pdf The earliest seem to be the Gosforth Division letter books 1913-1945 Regards Stan Mapstone

Dear List, I wonder if anyone can help with my peverbial brick wall. CAWTHORN / CAWTHORNE / CAWTON? or any other variants is what I am tracking, my father was a CAWTHORNE from Leeds. But I have tracked the family back to Durham County. I am stuck at the following George CAWTHORN was married to Jane JOHNSON on 21 July 1784 at Lamesley and all their children were born in Chester le Street. Big question is where was George born I have found two George CAWTHORN both christened in Medomsley. (1) Christened 18 Sep 1757 to a John and Barbara - this would make him 27 when married (2) Christened 10 July 1763 to a William and Mary (TAYLOR I believe) - this would make him 21 when married As I live so far away I am reliant on searches on the web for information. I was hoping that someone with access to more local records could help me (1) to decide which one is most likely (2) to find the birth of William and of John if possible (3) to find the marriage of John and Barbara (I have the marriage of William and Mary on 8 Dec 1759 at Ryton) Myself I am leaning toward William and Mary being the father of George as his first child was a boy and christened William the first daughter was Jane after her mother but the second daughter was called Mary. There are no children of George and Jane christened either John or Barbara and I thought that was significant. George is listed as a forgeman on all the birth records in case that helps Just to complete the picture I believe I have found the burials of George and Jane 01 Aug 1823 at Chester le Street - CAWTHORN Jane age 63 - makes her born 1760 17 April 1837 at Chester le Street - CAWTHORNE George age 73 - makes him born 1764 Another reason for believing William and Mary were George's parents Any thoughts would be gratefully received as I have struggled with this for absolutely ages and cannot find William's birth/Christening anywhere. Judy Bleay Cornwall -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.17/661 - Release Date: 30 Jan 2007 23:30

Sorry to post this to the list but I need to contact the List Admin but as my e.mail address is intermittenly being rejected by Rootsweb I can't seem to get through, try as I might. I can't get through to Rootsweb Helpdesk with the above addess nor with an alternative one, nor can unsubscribe the above address or re-subcribe with a different e.mail address. I need the list admins help to change my e.mail address manually. My messages only get through to the list occassionally and sometimes go straight to the archives instead, only now and then do they bounce back at me, but not everytime. And Rootsweb helpdesk, when I got through to them last week, told me it was my problem! I can't believe it is because it involves two completely different addresses of mine. Another subscriber to this same list has told me she is having similar problems. Please can the list admin. contact me but with a non rootsweb address so that I can reply to her. Thankyou very much Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain.

Could someone please tell me where the police records for Northumberland are kept for the years 1861 to 1895. Looking for Constable and then Sergeant PHILIP SPENCE. Glenys.

Here is one chart available free... http://genealogy.about.com/library/free_charts/bl_family_tree.htm?nl=1 Helen Pomakoy, Champaign, IL...USA searching: Suddes, English, Hutchinson, Crudden

In a message dated 02/02/2007 14:58:56 GMT Standard Time, glenys.derrick@tesco.net writes: Could someone please tell me where the police records for Northumberland are kept for the years 1861 to 1895. Looking for Constable and then Sergeant PHILIP SPENCE. Glenys. ________________________________________________________________ Try Northumberland Collections Service, Woodhorn, Queen Elizabeth II Country Park, Ashington, Northumberland NE63 9YF 01670 - 528080 Email _collections@woodhorn.org.uk_ (mailto:collections@woodhorn.org.uk) Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 27/01/2007 09:56:45 GMT Standard Time, relder@tiscali.co.uk writes: Does anyone know if there is any web site that will let you down load a blank standard family tree and put in you own names, I have FTM 10 but it prints it out over 14 pages a bit to big for what I'm after. I want to send it overseas __________________________________________________________________ These sites have Downloadable Genealogy Charts and Forms available free of charge http://www.familytreemagazine.com/forms/download.html http://www.ancestry.com/save/charts/ancchart.htm http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/RG/frameset_rhelps.asp?Page=./research/ type/Form.asp&ActiveTab=Type http://genealogy.about.com/od/free_charts/ http://misbach.org/pdfcharts/ Regards Stan Mapstone

On Isabella and George, jr's baptism it says that George was a native of Ebchester. The William and Mary parents--1763 one is in both of the IGI records--for Ebchester and Medomsley. Strange!! Was one or the other a chapel of ease? Janis

Hello again Diane, My G. Grandfather was Thomas Forster Williamson, born in Westoe in 1859. His parents were Frances Forster and John Williamson. John, I think, came from Shetland, or at least, somewhere in Scotland. It is unfortunate that he had died before the 1871 census and was at sea for the 1861 census and wasn't married for the 1851 census! The John I have found at sea in 1861 came from Shetland and he was aboard the "Lucy" as Cook, AB Seaman, born 1833. His father, I know from John's marriage certificate was called Thomas and he too was a mariner. Hopefully, a kind fellow lister who has offered to look up the wages and effects of deceased seamen when he visits the National Archives this month, will come up with some concrete evidence for me. The link with Frances as his widow appears to be my only hope of finding the correct John Williamson.The mother of Frances Forster was called Mary (b.1809 in Newcastle) and there was a Mary Ann Armour who married a William Forster in 1836 at Newcastle, All Saints, a Mary Ainsley who also married a William Forster, at Newcastle, St Nicholas in 1827 and a number of other Marys who married William Forsters in Newcastle from 1825 onwards. Oh for some really uncommon names! Regards, Eileen

Hi Folks, Is anyone researching the DONNISON family of Corbridge and Newcastle on Tyne? George DONNISON (c1793 - post 1871) & Susannah DODD (c1790-1860s?) had known children: Beaumont bc1827 married Grace DOBSON - lived Corbridge>Newcastle on Tyne>Sunderland George jnr (1830-1876) married Margaret COWENS - emigrated to Victoria, Aus 1854 John bc1833 Jenny in sunny Melbourne ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

Jenny/Margaret/Linda Thank you very much for all this information and help with this. It is very much appreciated - OK John Mercer is ignored. Thanks again Jacqui -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.18/662 - Release Date: 31/01/2007

Hi Diane! What a nice offer! I'm looking for info on the family of John Stanford TURNS, born Oct. 18, 1828, South Shields, County Durham. His parents were William(son) TURNS (1803) and Susanna STANFORD, born 1803, died Feb. 15, 1830, and buried at St. Hilda's Parish, South Shields. William(son) was a sea captain and was lost at sea, date unknown. There was also a brother, Robert. William(son) TURNS parents were John TURNS, born 1768, and Mary BRODERICK. I find children born: Margaret 1794, John 1796, Catherine 1798, William 1803, Elizabeth 1804, Brodrick 1810. Susanna STANFORD's parents were Daniel STANFORD and Martha PRIOR, married St. Hilda's, South Shields, Jan 2, 1803. Brother, Henry born 1807. John Stanford TURNS married Jane ROBINSON, daughter of William ROBINSON and Ann SANDERSON, she was born around 1829-30, possibly Auckland St. Andrews, Durham, maybe Tynemouth, Northumberland. They had William Stanford TURNS, 1849-1850, and Jane TURNS, born 1851. (She is my line and we have little info on her before the family moved to the USA, and eventually settled in Muskegon County, Michigan, and marrying Daniel MAHONEY, from Ireland. That is a whole other brick wall!) The next known child, Martha, was born in 1855 in New York. Other possible children born in England are Isabella and Mary Ann. I'm hoping to find these families on census info before 1855..., anything would be helpful! Thank you so much, Donelly Mahoney Worthington _donellyw@aol.com_ (mailto:donellyw@aol.com) In a message dated 1/30/2007 7:03:54 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, dcainsley@hotmail.com writes: As I am bit bored and feeling generous, if anyone wants a census record looking up on Ancestry.co.uk, send me the name, approx. year & place of birth and I will do some look-ups. Diane Ainsley

Hi Everyone, I now have about 50 names from 20 people. I plan to make two trips to the library and everyone will get at least one or two names transcribed. I will do as many as I can at each visit and if the entries are clear I will photograph them for you. Any I can't do in the two visits will be held over until the next time I'm going into town. Margaret.

Dear Stan & list members, Thank you for the information. In searching further, I see that the informant person who was present at the death and named on the 1849 death registration for a member of my family, was enumerated in C 1851 as a "Railway Porter". The deceased's (a member of my family) abode is given on the death registration as "Red Houses". In consulting my notes of some time ago I see that there was a row of terraced houses ("Red Houses") that was located adjoining the Benton Station (North Eastern Railway) in Longbenton, NBL during this time period. Putting two & two together, all things considered, I think it probably accurate to assume that the deceased member of my family was a carman/cartman who worked for this particular railway at the time of his death. This is a departure from the expected since other members of this family (past & future) were historically coal miners. >From the Internet: Carman/Charman/Carrier/Carter/Cartman Driver of (horse-drawn) vehicles for transporting goods. Carmen were often employed by railway companies for local deliveries and collections of goods and parcels. Modern day van driver. Also sometimes someone who drove horse-drawn trams was called a Carman. Bette >A cart was a strong vehicle with two wheels, and without springs, used in > farming operations, and for carrying heavy goods of various kinds. > (Distinguished from a wagon, which has four wheels.) > Regards Stan Mapstone

If the death happened after Civil Registration began, in July 1837, then you have to look up the death in the GRO index, General Register Office Index. You will find this index in major libraries in the UK and also on line at the Ancestry site www.acestry.co.uk You do not need to be a subscriber or to pay to view this particular index at the ancestry site, it is the only one that is free of charge on the site. Look for the death there and note the Registration District, the volume and Page number and of course the full name as given in the entry. You can then order the copy certificate from the GRO at Southport via their website. http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/ paying online for the copy. Or you could contact the District registrars office that currently holds the registers for the district that the death took lace in. Look at the Genuki pages for England and then go to the County pages for either Durham or Northumberland, the county where the death took place. Once there look under the heading Civil Registration and you should find links to the addresses of the various district registrars offices in that county. Many district Registrars offices now have an e.mail address and if you contact them to ask you may find that they will take payment by credit by either letter or telephone call but the rarely have on line payment facilities. www.genuki.org.uk If you want to check details of your person against the entry to ensure that you have the right person in the death entry you have found then you can ask the district office to check what information you have against the > entry and if it agrees you will be expected to buy the copy, if it doesn't agree with the entry you will not have to buy a copy, but don't expect the registrars to give out any information, they are not allowed to. The GRO at Southport will check an entry against information you can supply for checking but they make a charge for this service approximately half the cost of a cert. copy and you will also be charged for a copy of the matching entry, if the entry does not agree with your extra information you will only be charged the checking fee and nothing more. If the death occurred prior to July 1837 then you would have to search parish registers to find the burial of the person concerned. Start with the parish church for where the person lived and work out from there. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. > Can anyone tell me please where to purchase a copy death certificate in > Northumberland?

Hello all Reposting my interests - do get in touch if you think you might have alink - there are my brick walls! ELAND of High Close, Yorks, settled Winlaton area HANCOCK - George b. circa 1854 (Cornwall) settled in Dipton LONGSTAFF - Thomas b. circa 1734, Startforth, family moves to Whitbiurn and Penshaw MUNN - (from Belfast) settled in Pittington, Thomas b. 1859 to Margaret Munn WALTON - John of Brotherlee b. circa 1827, family goes to Evenwood and Esh Winning areas WATSON - James of Lamesley b. circa 1831, family moves to Chester le Street and Usworth areas Thanks Janie See below for my research interests: CORNWALL: Hancock DERBYSHIRE: Birley, Challens, Fox, Gyte, Hawley, Kitson, Mawrey, Moss, Naylor, Peate, Pitt, Salsbury, Shimmel DURHAM: Longstaff, Watson LONDON: Gotts, Slaughter, Wright NOTTS: Bower, Challens, Fox, Pitt, Shimmel, Smith NORFOLK: Daniels, Gotts, Grimes, Marshall, Marsham, Myhill, Slaughter, Summers, Wright _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com