Dear Listers, Along the lines of nicknames, but in this case possible nicknames for surnames. Would someone venture a guess as to what surname might have been indicated for the surname nickname "Lungie". Has anyone found such a surname ("Lungie") nickname in their family tree or in any English literature for the 1775-1850 time period? Thank you, Bette

Hi Everyone, I have just had an email from my friend Kath who transcribes the Evening Chronicle death notices to say she has completed another year (1905) and to ask when would I like them, obviously I said as soon as possible. As it is her work you see online it occurs to me if anyone has found the index helpful to their family history and would like to send Kath a message I would be very pleased to pass them on to her. I do know it makes sitting transcribing for three or four hours at a time all the more worthwhile when you know the index is useful to people. Margaret.

Does anyone have any old Photographs of Monkwearmouth.. My Grandfather.. James Henderson was born at 24 Hardwick Street in 1923.. I would appreciate any help.. Thank You Kind Regards Lee

Hello, In the 1861 census RG 9/3873 for Barrington Colliery NBL I find Henry Carter age 21 b. in Durham Rillo. I hope he's the Henry Carter whose birth was registered 4/4 1841 in Chester le Street. But where is Rillo? I can't find anything resembling it in Genuki. Henry Carter b. Nov 1841 in Durham (1900 US census) married Fanny ? b. Mar 1854 and had a daughter Janey/Jennie b. Apr 1871. The family emigrated to the USA in 1871. Henry and Fanny were witnesses to a Carter family wedding in 1874 in Pennsylvania and I would love to connect them. I haven't been able to find their marriage or the birth and would appreciate any help. Was Fanny a name or a nickname? Thank you, Carol Bradford

Hi Marg The capital I (for igloo) is for a late input to the IGI and are definitely from extraction programs, at least the one I enquired about was. They seem to have started about two years ago when I discovered a new entry for my g.g.g.grandparents marriage in Lambeth 1807, I queried the coding with the LDS who said that it was from extractions recently entered on the IGI. They are too new to be on Hughs site. I would be inclined to contact the LDS to confirm the above. (by the way the batch you mention is I021999 there are three 9's) You ask if there is any extra information in the PR? possibly but the only way to find out is check the PR. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hullo everyone > > On the IGI, Batch No: P002281, which, according to Hugh Wallis' website is > St Peters. Monkwearmouth, is the following: > > MARY ANN JACKSON BLENKINSOP Female > Event(s): > Birth: 02 SEP 1833 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England > Christening: > Parents: > Father: WILLIAM BLENKINSOP > Mother: MARY > > This film holds recordes from 1683 to 1853, but no christening is recorded > for the above entry. > > Another search on the IGI: Batch No: I02199 (begins with a capital "I" for > "it" not a number one) records: > > Mary Ann Jackson Blenkinsop Female > Event(s): > Birth: > Christening: 12 AUG 1836 Monk-Wearmouth, , Durham, England > Parents: > Father: Will'm Blenkinsop > Mother: Maria Blenkinsop > > This time, just the christening, no birth details. There is no Source > Information details except for the batch no. and Type; film. > The first entry above (birth) has Mary's name in full capitals, which > indicates to me that this is a filmed copy of the original parish record. > With the second entry, Mary's name is in lower case, except for the > initial capital, which indicates to me that it is a submitted entry > (usually!!) however in this case the film appears to have christenings for > the period 1833 to 1838 from Monkwearmouth. > > Can someone explain this please? Would the second batch be an extraction > from the original records because these records are missing from the first > film mentioned above?? > > Would the original parish or church records of the above two entries have > any more information (addresses, witnesses) than what is recorded above? > > Thank you > Marg Smith

Thanks Pamela. darn it I thought I might just have cracked it. William marrying Grace in Christ Church is pretty certain. IGI has William as being born in Chester Le Street and Grace in Lamesley. I have found nothing at all about Grace. Their children are: Eleanor 1786 Harraton, C.L.S Elizabeth 1788 " Mary 1793 Penshaw William (Henry) 1795 Benton Isabella 1798 Wapping Square, Benton Ann 1800 Dorothy 1804 Tynemouth Son William 1795 first sons are names Francis, James and William. I cannot proceed without finding William 1760 father. Ann

Is there anyone out there who could please give me any information on a John MARR and Mary DIXON. They had a son babtised in the parish of Washington, Co Durham on the 8th January 180. Thanks in advance. George Robson

Some entries in the IGI for this couple are patron submitted and appear to be errors. The baptisms of these children show parents to be William and Grace: 1784 Thomas Tynemouth 1786 Eleanor Chester-le-Street 1788 Elizabeth Chester-le-Street 1791 John Penshaw 1793 Mary Penshaw 1795 William Chester-le-Street 1798 Isabella Penshaw 1800 Ann Penshaw 1804 Dorothy Tynemouth Dorothy's baptism shows her father as a native of Chester. Except for the Penshaw baptisms, I have read these entries in the parish registers, so I am reasonably certain they are correct. Penshaw registers are available only at the Durham Record Office, so if you are able to make a trip there, you should be able to confirm the parish of William's birth. My personal guess is that he is baptized 25 May 1760 in Lanchester, son of Thomas and Elizabeth, but only the Penshaw registers will be able to confirm if "Chester" means Chester-le-Street or Lanchester. The Lamesley registers are also only available at the DRO, so you should also be able to find Grace's baptism there. Best wishes, Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: <ynge@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 2:24 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] William Barras 1760 > Thanks Pamela. darn it I thought I might just have cracked it. William > marrying Grace in Christ Church is pretty certain. IGI has William as > being born in Chester Le Street and Grace in Lamesley. I have found > nothing at all about Grace. > Their children are: > Eleanor 1786 Harraton, C.L.S > Elizabeth 1788 " > Mary 1793 Penshaw > William (Henry) 1795 Benton > Isabella 1798 Wapping Square, Benton > Ann 1800 > Dorothy 1804 Tynemouth > > Son William 1795 first sons are names Francis, James and William. > I cannot proceed without finding William 1760 father. > Ann > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have been looking for quite a few years for Ancestors of William Barras, b 1760 in Chester le Street, who married Grace Cunningham in Tynemouth on 17 Novenber 1783. I thought his father would have been named Francis as his first child was given this name.The Barras way of naming children after father/grandfather wouldhave been kept up. Another family line has already placed him as possibly marrying Mary Tate and having ?2 sons William 1779 and James 1781. I have found no other children for this couple and my research into this line was all but stopped. Then I thought of one other chink of light on this problem. Could it possibly be that his wife died some time after James's birth and William then married Grace. She was born in Lamesley. The dates could fit in. I would welcome any comments. Ann

Hi Malcolm Try here http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ Enter Grid Ref: 427487,543151 This should take you to an 1861 O/S map of the area Let it load fully and select Enlarged View, this gives a much clearer view. In the 1841 census it runs North Road (with as you say no specific addresses which is usually the case in 1841) Jonathan ORD household Then Bath House Boat House Crook Hall Mile Crook Hall Black House Frankland Frankland Park Newton Hall Newton Hall Garden House Newton Hall Cottage Union Hall You will see the area on the 1861 map, if you go North East following the River you will find Frankland , on going the opposite way you find the North Road enumerated before your ORD household. As your Jonathan was a draper and the previous houses are a Gunsmiths and a Cordwainer, I suspect they probably traded from their home/shop in the cluster of buildings at the top end of North Road Remembering though that enumerators walked the way they wanted to and sometimes not by the most obvious route. Its a bit early for Trade Directories but worth a try. I would ask at Durham Records office as they may have something on the specific area in the way of maps that may be useful Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists > Re my request for info on an address on the 1841 Census. Thanks a lot for > offers of help and requests for more details. All I have is as follows: > The family is: > Jonathan Ord, 28, head > Mary Ord, 28, wife > 3 Children: John (4), Jonathan (3), and Eleanor (1) > National Archive References: > RG No: HO107 Piece: 320 Folio: 13\5 Page: 5 > Reg District: Durham & Lanchester Sub District: St Oswald > Parish: St Oswald > Address: North Road P B & M B, St Oswald, Framwellgate > > A 'Street Search' gives 13 results, all with no House Number but with > 'Schedule' numbers from 1984 - 1996 > > What could 'P B & M B' mean? > I hope this helps. > > Malcolm Ord

With reference to the district description I'd suggest that possibly PB = Parliamentary Boundary and MB = Municipal Boundary. Some of the addresses in the district only have PB scribbled underneath. In all cases PB and MB seem to have been written in a different handwriting from the main entries. Cheers, Ian Malcolm Ord wrote: > Re my request for info on an address on the 1841 Census. Thanks a lot for offers of help and requests for more details. All I have is as follows: > The family is: > Jonathan Ord, 28, head > Mary Ord, 28, wife > 3 Children: John (4), Jonathan (3), and Eleanor (1) > National Archive References: > RG No: HO107 Piece: 320 Folio: 13\5 Page: 5 > Reg District: Durham & Lanchester Sub District: St Oswald > Parish: St Oswald > Address: North Road P B & M B, St Oswald, Framwellgate > > A 'Street Search' gives 13 results, all with no House Number but with 'Schedule' numbers from 1984 - 1996 > > What could 'P B & M B' mean? > I hope this helps. > > Malcolm Ord > >

Re my request for info on an address on the 1841 Census. Thanks a lot for offers of help and requests for more details. All I have is as follows: The family is: Jonathan Ord, 28, head Mary Ord, 28, wife 3 Children: John (4), Jonathan (3), and Eleanor (1) National Archive References: RG No: HO107 Piece: 320 Folio: 13\5 Page: 5 Reg District: Durham & Lanchester Sub District: St Oswald Parish: St Oswald Address: North Road P B & M B, St Oswald, Framwellgate A 'Street Search' gives 13 results, all with no House Number but with 'Schedule' numbers from 1984 - 1996 What could 'P B & M B' mean? I hope this helps. Malcolm Ord --------------------------------- The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider.

In the 1841 Census it was only necessary for the enumerator to give the name, if any, of the house, or the name of the street, part of the town, village or hamlet in which it stood. From 1851 onwards they were specifically instructed to give the number of the house as well. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 10/02/2007 16:30:40 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: Parliamentary Borough? and Municipal Borough _____________________________________________________ It will be Parliamentary Boundary and Municipal Boundary. The description of the enumeration district is: "Within the Limits of the Parliamentary Boundary of the City of Durham" "Within the Municipal Boundary of Durham" Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 10/02/2007 12:31:37 GMT Standard Time, malcolmord@yahoo.com writes: What could 'P B & M B' mean? _________________________________________________________ Parliamentary Borough? and Municipal Borough Established by Municipal Corporations Act, 1835 (5 & 6 Wm IV, c76) the most active boroughs became Municipal Boroughs. Regards Stan Mapstone

Good Morning, I've just received a death certificate for my Great Grand-Uncle, Francis Cunningham Brown, who died in February 1926 in Morgan Street in Southwick. The informant is shown as Mary Brown, Daughter, present at death. I had no previous knowledge of this relative so I'm hoping someone might be able to answer a couple of questions for me. Firstly, was there a minimum age requirement for a witness/informant on a death certificate. Secondly, is there a possibility that Mary could have been a daughter in law or were the authorities any stricter and more exact in the recording of these details in the 1920's. Douglas Brown Queanbeyan, Australia

Hi Ann, This family is not my Barrass line, but I have several parish register entries that relate to them and thoroughly confused me. Perhaps someone can help. In 1776 William BARRAFOOT and Mary OLD were married in Chester-le-Street. In 1776 Thomas BARRAFOOT was baptized with residence shown as Howlett Hall. In 1779 William BARRAS son of William and Mary was baptized with residence shown as Howlett Hall. In 1781 James BARRASS son of William and Mary, living at Bis(?) house(?). In 1785 Mary BARROWFOOT is born to William and Mary at Pelton. In 1787 Wm BARROWFOOT of Pelton is buried. In 1795 Ann illegitimate daughter of Mary BARRAS of Pelton is baptized. In 1798 Michael Fairless, 1st son of Wm Fairless of Pelton and Mary BARRAS late OLD, native of Lanchester, is baptized. It looked to me as if the names Barrafoot and Barras were being confused in these entries. Some slight further evidence: there is a 1754 baptism for William Barrowfoot, son of Thomas, in CLS, and a 1755 baptism for Mary Old in Lanchester, daughter of James and Mary. If William Barrafoot and William Barrass are the same person, as seems possible, he is not the husband of Grace Cunningham. Pamela Huddleston Honolulu, Hawaii ----- Original Message ----- From: <ynge@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 5:35 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] William Barras 1760 >I have been looking for quite a few years for Ancestors of William Barras, > b 1760 in Chester le Street, who married Grace Cunningham in Tynemouth on > 17 Novenber 1783. I thought his father would have been named Francis as > his first child was given this name.The Barras way of naming children > after father/grandfather wouldhave been kept up. > Another family line has already placed him as possibly marrying Mary Tate > and having ?2 sons William 1779 and James 1781. I have found no other > children for this couple and my research into this line was all but > stopped. Then I thought of one other chink of light on this problem. > Could it possibly be that his wife died some time after James's birth and > William then married Grace. She was born in Lamesley. The dates could fit > in. > I would welcome any comments. > Ann > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Douglas. I have a death certificate dated 1860 which has the grandson aged 13 as the informant. Cheers. Wilf Brown. PS: Did your Southwick BROWN'S by any chance originally come from Norfolk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas Brown" <doubro@tpg.com.au> To: "Durham-Northumberland Mailing List" <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:53 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Informant on Death Certificate > Good Morning, > > > > I've just received a death certificate for my Great Grand-Uncle, Francis > Cunningham Brown, who died in February 1926 in Morgan Street in Southwick. > The informant is shown as Mary Brown, Daughter, present at death. I had > no > previous knowledge of this relative so I'm hoping someone might be able to > answer a couple of questions for me. > > Firstly, was there a minimum age requirement for a witness/informant on a > death certificate. Secondly, is there a possibility that Mary could have > been a daughter in law or were the authorities any stricter and more exact > in the recording of these details in the 1920's. > > > > Douglas Brown > > Queanbeyan, Australia > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 09/02/2007 23:55:28 GMT Standard Time, doubro@tpg.com.au writes: Secondly, is there a possibility that Mary could have been a daughter in law or were the authorities any stricter and more exact in the recording of these details in the 1920's. ____________________________________________________________ The Registrar can only enter what the informant told him. But, saying that, from the 1836 Act. XLI. And be it enacted, That every Person who shall wilfully make or cause to be made, for the Purpose of being inserted in any Register of Birth, Death, or Marriage, any false Statement touching any of the Particulars herein required to be known and registered, shall be subject to the same Pains and Penalties as if he were guilty of Perjury. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 09/02/2007 23:55:28 GMT Standard Time, doubro@tpg.com.au writes: Firstly, was there a minimum age requirement for a witness/informant on a death certificate. ___________________________________________________________________ The 1874 Act states: "10. When a person dies in a house after the commencement of this Act, it shall be the duty of the nearest relatives of the deceased present at the death, or in attendance during the last illness of the deceased, and in default of such relatives, of every other relative of the deceased dwelling or being in the same sub-district as the deceased, and in default of such relatives, of each person present at the death, and of the occupier of the house in which, to his knowledge, the death took place, and in default of the persons herein-before in this section mentioned, of each inmate of such house, and of the person causing the body of the deceased person to be buried, to give, to the best of his knowledge and belief, to the registrar, within the five days next following the day of such death, information of the particulars required to be registered concerning such death, and in the presence of the registrar to sign the register." There is no mention of a minimum age, but the registrar would obviously need the informant to be credible, and to use his own judgement. Regards Stan Mapstone