In my family I have found Frances was often called Fanny - I have a death cert from here listing Fanny as a child of the dead mother that said "Fanny should be Frances Elizabeth" noted in the margin. (Death certs here are very informative, give children's names and ages amongst lots more.) Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Stanmapstone@aol.com Sent: Monday, 12 February 2007 10:36 AM To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Henry Carter b. abt 1840 Rillo? In a message dated 11/02/2007 20:54:17 GMT Standard Time, cbradfo1@twcny.rr.com writes: Was Fanny a name or a nickname? ______________________________________________________ Hi Carol, Fanny was a common forename in the nineteenth century. Regards Stan Mapstone ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 11/02/2007 6:50 PM

Thank you to Heather, Dawn, Jim and Stan who weighed in with the puzzle of Henry CARTER and his wife Fannie. The birthplace "Rillo" will, I hope, be clear when the certificate arrives. In the meantime, I did find their marriage on FreeBMD 2/4 1869 in Gateshead reg dist, Frances FAIRLESS and Henry HOLMES. It was indexed under Henry's middle name, which I learned from his Missouri death certificate, image online! An incredible resource. The middle name also makes it practically certain that Henry was the son of Henry CARTER and Ann HOLMES, who were married 21 Apr 1839 Durham St Giles and were last heard of in the 1841 census in Witton Gilbert. So perhaps Rillo = Witton??? Carol Bradford Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, USA

many thanks Pamela, Colin and Stan I shall follow these leads ASAP Ann

In a message dated 12/02/2007 10:04:46 GMT Standard Time, genealogy@leggtronix.e7even.com writes: Also in the search you will find your previous request that you submitted 7 months ago ! ________________________________________________________________________ Putting Lungie into http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search brings up seven postings to various lists. lungie, longie, lungy. [ad. Norw. dial. lomgivie, f. lom LOOM n.2] The guillemot, Lomvia troile. Regards Stan Mapstone

See http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello list, I am trying to find out more about my Gran. I know she lived in the Old Fold area beforeWWII. Anyone know where I will find out what streets were in the area and where are the Electoral registers for the area. I'd also be interested if anyone can tell me something about the area as it was. Many thanks...Shaun

Hi Bette - If you put "Lungie surname" (without the quotes) into Google you will find some references to it as a surname. Also in the search you will find your previous request that you submitted 7 months ago ! Cheers - Brian LEGG in Coventry (Campaign for upper-case surnames) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bette McIntosh" <bmcintosh@new.rr.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:56 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Surname nicknames > Dear Listers, > > Along the lines of nicknames, but in this case possible nicknames for > surnames. Would someone venture a guess as to what surname might have > been > indicated for the surname nickname "Lungie". Has anyone found such a > surname ("Lungie") nickname in their family tree or in any English > literature for the 1775-1850 time period? > > Thank you, > Bette > > > > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: > 10/02/2007 > >

Hi Peter, Slake Terrace was in Westoe near Tyne Dock. If you go to http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ and input the post code NE34 0AD Slake Terrace was just to the east of where the A194 joins the B1298 just to the north of Lord Nelson Street. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 12/02/2007 12:37:00 GMT Standard Time, john.harker@ntlworld.com writes: My question is was there a church lane down in the East End of Sunderland _____________________________________________________________ Hi Doris, Church Lane ran from 315 High Street West to the Green, at the east end of St. Michael's. Regards Stan Mapstone

St Michael's parish Church Bishopwearmouth was not in the East end of Sunderland.The east end began as you went down High Street towards the Docks. Betty. ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnharker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:43 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] church lane > Hi > My question is was there a church lane down in the East End of > Sunderland > I ask because my grand parents marriage lines say they married in the > parish church ,the parish of Bishopwearmouth ,address Church Lane > Now I know of the church lane beside the Alms houses beside St Michaels` > Bishopwearmouth (opposite the Empire ) > But do not know a great deal about the East End of Sunderland > Many years ago I did ask someone old and was told only a Church walk but > no church lane ,were they right ? > Many thanks for any help > Doris > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 11/02/2007 16:25:05 GMT Standard Time, bradman5@ntlworld.com writes: Does anyone have any old Photographs of Monkwearmouth.. _____________________________________________________________________ Hi Lee, The Monkwearmouth Local History Group have published a series of books "More Monkwearmouth Memories" which include many photographs. They have also produced a book showing photographic images of Sunderland 'Then and Now.' This shows changes in industry and landscape, incorporating the religious, manufacturing and social history of the area. You can see photographs of Sunderland's listed buildings at http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/pages/ListedBuildings/lbnewsearch.asp or a CD featuring the 400 buildings is available from the Civic Society or Sunderland City Library. There is also "Sunderland in Old Photographs" ISBN 0-86299-898-0 Sunderland Museum has a collection of approx. 12,000 photographs. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 12/02/2007 09:00:07 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: There were 143,325 in the 1881 census! ____________________________________________ There were also 106,476 Frances Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 12/02/2007 01:39:37 GMT Standard Time, dawnwebb@optusnet.com.au writes: In my family I have found Frances was often called Fanny Fanny was a pet form of Frances, but it was used as an independent name in its own right. It was very popular in the 19th century, but is now found rarely, due to the vulgar sense of the word that has been derived from it in the 20th. century. There were 143,325 in the 1881 census! Regards Stan Mapstone

Thank you Nivard, and you are correct, there are three 9's in the second batch number: I021999 Thanks again Marg Smith Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] The Mystery of Mary Ann > Hi Marg > > The capital I (for igloo) is for a late input to the IGI and are > definitely from extraction programs, at least the one I enquired about > was. > > They seem to have started about two years ago when I discovered a new > entry for my g.g.g.grandparents marriage in Lambeth 1807, I queried the > coding with the LDS who said that it was from extractions recently entered > on the IGI. > > They are too new to be on Hughs site. > > I would be inclined to contact the LDS to confirm the above. > > (by the way the batch you mention is I021999 there are three 9's) > > You ask if there is any extra information in the PR? possibly but the only > way to find out is check the PR. > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > >> Hullo everyone >> >> On the IGI, Batch No: P002281, which, according to Hugh Wallis' website >> is St Peters. Monkwearmouth, is the following: >> >> MARY ANN JACKSON BLENKINSOP Female >> Event(s): >> Birth: 02 SEP 1833 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England >> Christening: >> Parents: >> Father: WILLIAM BLENKINSOP >> Mother: MARY >> >> This film holds recordes from 1683 to 1853, but no christening is >> recorded for the above entry. >> >> Another search on the IGI: Batch No: I02199 (begins with a capital "I" >> for "it" not a number one) records: >>

Hullo everyone On the IGI, Batch No: P002281, which, according to Hugh Wallis' website is St Peters. Monkwearmouth, is the following: MARY ANN JACKSON BLENKINSOP Female Event(s): Birth: 02 SEP 1833 Monkwearmouth, Durham, England Christening: Parents: Father: WILLIAM BLENKINSOP Mother: MARY This film holds recordes from 1683 to 1853, but no christening is recorded for the above entry. Another search on the IGI: Batch No: I02199 (begins with a capital "I" for "it" not a number one) records: Mary Ann Jackson Blenkinsop Female Event(s): Birth: Christening: 12 AUG 1836 Monk-Wearmouth, , Durham, England Parents: Father: Will'm Blenkinsop Mother: Maria Blenkinsop This time, just the christening, no birth details. There is no Source Information details except for the batch no. and Type; film. The first entry above (birth) has Mary's name in full capitals, which indicates to me that this is a filmed copy of the original parish record. With the second entry, Mary's name is in lower case, except for the initial capital, which indicates to me that it is a submitted entry (usually!!) however in this case the film appears to have christenings for the period 1833 to 1838 from Monkwearmouth. Can someone explain this please? Would the second batch be an extraction from the original records because these records are missing from the first film mentioned above?? Would the original parish or church records of the above two entries have any more information (addresses, witnesses) than what is recorded above? Thank you Marg Smith Mardi, NSW Australia

In the 1851 Census, my ggg-grandfather Bernard McIVOR (transcribed as Barnard M Hewer) is living at what appears to be Slake Terrace. Parish or Township of Westoe Ecclesiastical District of Holy Trinity Borough of South Shields. Was there a Slake Terrace in Westoe?, or, was there a Slake Terrace in Jarrow, and if so, could this return refer to that? Civil parish: Westoe Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: Westoe ED, institution, or vessel: 4m Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 167 Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2399; Folio: 649; Page: 44; GSU roll: 87077. Regards Pete Beardmore McIVOR Jarrow PAGE Jarrow / Wallsend KELLY Jarrow DUFFY Jarrow All 1850ish to date ___________________________________________________________ Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/trueswitch2.html

This site mainly has photos of St.Peter's Church, but it might be of use? _http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/place1.asp?page=1&place1=%25Monkwearmouth%25&placeph rase=_ (http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/place1.asp?page=1&place1=%Monkwearmouth%&placephrase=) = Regards, Keith in the original Washington. :In a message dated 11/02/2007 16:24:50 GMT Standard Time, bradman5@ntlworld.com writes: Does anyone have any old Photographs of Monkwearmouth.. My Grandfather.. James Henderson was born at 24 Hardwick Street in 1923.. I would appreciate any help.. Thank You Kind Regards Lee

They are also available at the Central Library in Gateshead. Regards, Keith in the original Washington. In a message dated 11/02/2007 20:18:06 GMT Standard Time, PHUDDL@hawaii.rr.com writes: The Lamesley registers are also only available at the DRO, so you should also be able to find Grace's baptism there.

Hello Carol Just a few comments on your request 1. I looked at the 1861 Census entry and the name of Henry's birthplace which has been transcribed as Rillo. To me it looks like Pills or Pillo or Pello etc That made me think of Pelaw. The first letter is very flourishing and hard to compare with anything else - could be B or P or perhaps R or K. The last letter is an o or an s. The second letter looks like an i but there is no dot so could be an e. the other two letters certainly look like double l Another place is Kyo Other people might have different ideas for you. 2. If the child Jane Carter was born in April 1871 then the birth would be registered in the June quarter. There is the birth of a Jane Carter registered in South Shields, Co Durham in that quarter, reference 10a 718 3. Fanny was usually a short form of Frances. If your Jane was born in April 71 in the UK, then her parents should be on the 1871 Census. I looked at the 1871 Census for a Henry and Frances or Fanny Carter - there were two - one in London and one in Manchester - no indication of a Tyneside birth for either of them The couple in London had no Carter Children, although he was 30 and she was 45 and there were step children The couple in Manchester had an 8 year old daughter Jane. Frances however was 28 years old so didn't match your birthdate of 1854 I hope this gives you some ideas and if you want more info just write back Heather Carol Bradford wrote: > Hello, > In the 1861 census RG 9/3873 for Barrington Colliery NBL I find Henry > Carter age 21 b. in Durham Rillo. I hope he's the Henry Carter whose > birth was registered 4/4 1841 in Chester le Street. But where is > Rillo? I can't find anything resembling it in Genuki. > > Henry Carter b. Nov 1841 in Durham (1900 US census) married Fanny ? > b. Mar 1854 and had a daughter Janey/Jennie b. Apr 1871. The family > emigrated to the USA in 1871. Henry and Fanny were witnesses to a > Carter family wedding in 1874 in Pennsylvania and I would love to > connect them. I haven't been able to find their marriage or the > birth and would appreciate any help. Was Fanny a name or a nickname? > > >

In a message dated 11/02/2007 20:54:17 GMT Standard Time, cbradfo1@twcny.rr.com writes: Was Fanny a name or a nickname? ______________________________________________________ Hi Carol, Fanny was a common forename in the nineteenth century. Regards Stan Mapstone