Helen: I think this is your Edward Lewis, Edward 26 08 Feb 1922 Lambton DUR Lewis, Edward, 08 Feb 1922, aged 26, Stoneman, he and some other stonemen were building a pack wall and setting girders on the engine plane; just as they lifted the second girder into position a stone fell from the roof and killed him instantly -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Helen Oram Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 6:36 AM To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Lewis dead end In message <102967.98775.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>, topoisomer@yahoo.com writes >Hi there, > >I've had so much useful advice here, I have decided to share another >dead end in my local family tree. > >I have very little information to go on. > >Edward Lewis. DOB 1880-1890 i guess. > >Gatehead/Durham is where he lived. > >All i know is he was killed in Lambton D Pit at some point after 1910. >But Lewis is such a frequent name...... > > >Cheers > >Jack Hello Jack, From Durham mining museum website <http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/l002.htm#i15419> Lambton Colliery Lewis, Edward, 08 Feb 1922, aged 26, Stoneman, he and some other stonemen were building a pack wall and setting girders on the engine plane; just as they lifted the second girder into position a stone fell from the roof and killed him instantly. If this was your Edward then he was born about 1896. It could be worth getting his death certificate. Also look in newspapers as there may be some mention of his family. Did he marry - certificate would give his father's name? There are a couple of Edward LEWIS in 1901 but it is hard to narrow it down further. BOWMAN family Casualty Details Name: BOWMAN Initials: M Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Private Regiment/Service: Durham Light Infantry Unit Text: 10th Bn. Age: 30 Date of Death: 11/08/1915 Service No: 14972 Additional information: Son of Robert and Mary Ann Bowman; husband of Cathrine Bowman, of 35, Fullerton Place, Gateshead-on-Tyne. Native of Bishop Auckland, Co. Durham. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. A. 3A. Cemetery: ETAPLES MILITARY CEMETERY So Matthew was born about 1885. >From Freebmd Marriage Gateshead district Sept 1913 Catherine DOLAN + Matthew BOWMAN 10a 1863. 1901 census Pollards Lands Ecclesiastical parish: Escomb St John Town: Etherley Dene County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Household schedule number: 90 Household Members: Name Age Jane Bowman 6 dau DUR Woodside Mary Ann Bowman 40 wife DUR Primrose Hill Mary Ethel Bowman 9 dau DUR Woodside Matthew Bowman 15 son Pony driver DUR Etherley Moor Robert Bowman 50 head coal miner hewer DUR Martin-le-Moor DUR Susana Bowman 17 dau appr dressmaker DUR Escomb Hugh Flanagan 34 boarder Thomas Johnson 72 " Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4645; Folio: 13; Page: 17. Marton -le - Moor is actually in N.YKS. 1891 Escomb Ecclesiastical parish: Whitton Park Town: Woodside County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: Auckland Sub-registration district: Bishop Auckland ED, institution, or vessel: 12 Household Members: Name Age Elizabeth A Bowman 10 Florence Bowman 3 Hannah Bowman 7 Henry Bowman 13 John W Bowman 16 Marmaduke Bowman 1 Maryann Bowman 32 Mathew Bowman 5 Robert Bowman 40 Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4068; Folio 120; Page 8; GSU roll: 6099178. 1881 Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Robert BOWMAN Head M Male 30 Martonlemoor, York, England Innkeeper Mary BOWMAN Wife M Female 22 St Ann Auckland, Durham, England Innkeepers Wife Benjamin HARPER Lodger U Male 30 Dudley, Stafford, England Puddler John MOWBRAY Lodger M Male 30 Bury Edge, Durham, England Puddler Mary MOWBRAY Lodger M Female 22 Leadgate, Durham, England Puddlers Wife ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Source Information: Dwelling Bay Horse Inn Census Place Escomb, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342182 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4915 / 92 Page Number 30 Possible Marriages: Surname Forename(s) Year District BOWMAN Robert 1874 Durham Western MC KENZIE Mary A 1874 Durham Western Surname Forename(s) Year District BIRNIE Mary 1875 Durham Central BOWMAN Robert 1875 Durham Central It could be that there was no family tie between the LEWIS and BOWMAN families and they were just friends who took Edward in. It would be useful to know if they lived near each other in the next census, but you will have to wait a couple of years for that:) Regards, -- Helen Oram ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a copy of a cardboard-framed portrait of a young woman born in 1877 Newcastle. She married in 1907 Gosforth and I suspect the photo was taken before that time ... she's wearing a dark jacket, a huge lacy bow (cravat style), and a trilby style hat with a feather and cockade! At the bottom of the cardboard it reads: Edwd. G. Brewis, Artist Photographer, Victoria Art Studios, 8 & 10 New Bridge St., Newcastle on Tyne. I have located him on the 1901 census (as a 37 year old photographer) at Wish Bank Lodge, Broomley (rural district Hexham). I wonder if anyone has a directory (or knowledge) which will confirm approximately when this gentleman was conducting business in Newcastle? Thanks and regards, Lesley Constance Bay, Ontario

Hi there, I've had so much useful advice here, I have decided to share another dead end in my local family tree. I have very little information to go on. Edward Lewis. DOB 1880-1890 i guess. Lewis is a common name, i know none of his siblings, and he was an orphan, and was taken in by a Bowman family (Robert and Mary Ann Bowman), who had a son called Matthew who died in the Great war (RIP) Gatehead/Durham is where he lived. All i know is he was killed in Lambton D Pit at some point after 1910. There are about four edward lewis in the censuses i have checked in gateshead, around that time none living with a Bowman. If i could get any details on regarding the possible dates of death in the pit, i could work backwards. But Lewis is such a frequent name...... I am still pretty new to this family history game... This is three pipe problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_pipe_problem any budding Holmes out there to give me pointers please? Cheers Jack ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

In message <000001c759e2$a7943f20$f6bcbd60$@com>, Mark Etheridge <marketheridge@ntlworld.com> writes >Hello, > > > >I am trying to find the birth of two ancestors Henry & John MYERS born in >Barnard Castle circa 1828 and 1832. > > > >Any help would be gratefully received. > > > >Regards, > >Mark Etheridge. > Hello Mark, See <http://www.joinermarriageindex.com/pjoiner/genuki/DUR/BarnardCastle/inde x.html#ChurchRecords> Regards, -- Helen Oram

Awesome Stan. Thank you, that is a really good reference link I appreciate your time to answer Jack --- Stanmapstone@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 26/02/2007 14:29:37 GMT Standard > Time, > topoisomer@yahoo.com writes: > Does that mean that before 1874 (or 1836)i might > have > problems tracing the death of English/Welsh > relatives? > or does the 1874(1836) act just replace a previous > one? > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Hi Jack, > The 1874 Act was an Act to amend the Law relating to > the Registration of > Births and Deaths in England, and to consolidate the > Law respecting the > Registration of Births and Deaths at Sea. [7th > August 1874.] There was mainly a > difference in the wording. It was still illegal to > carry out a burial and not > notify the Registrar within seven days. > Before Civil Registration started in July 1837 the > main record of burials > would be in the Parish Register, although burial in > Anglican graveyards has > never been universal. > > > > The 1836 Act wording Section XXV was; ......shall, > within Eight Days next > after the Day of such Death, give Information, upon > being requested so to do, > to the said Registrar, according to the best of his > or her Knowledge and > Belief, of the several Particulars hereby required > to be known and registered > touching the Death of such Person. > Section XXVII. and every Person who shall bury or > perform any Funeral or > any religious Service for the Burial of any dead > Body for which no Certificate > shall have been duly made and delivered as > aforesaid, either by the Registrar > or Coroner, and who shall not within Seven Days give > Notice thereof to the > Registrar, shall forfeit and pay any Sum not > exceeding Ten Pounds for every > such Offence. > See > http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Browse?path=Browse/Legislation%20(by%20date)&active=yes&treestate=contract&titlepos=0 > for the full wording of > the Acts. > > > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

Hello, I am trying to find the birth of two ancestors Henry & John MYERS born in Barnard Castle circa 1828 and 1832. Any help would be gratefully received. Regards, Mark Etheridge.

In message <012801c759b1$60cb7b20$0301a8c0@portable>, Jenny De Angelis <jennyda@telefonica.net> writes >Sorry Dorothy, > >I have just spotted an error in my earlier message. The marriage of Joseph >Atkinson to Hannah Hills that I found on the IGI took place in 1782 and not >1792 as I wrongly typed in my message. > >Remember too that Hugh Wallis's site has not been updated very much and the >IGI at the familysearch site has many more batch numbers on it now that Hugh >has included in his site. I agree Hugh's site is very useful but do >remember to check the familysearch site if you don't find the name of the >parish that you are interested in on Hugh's listings. > > Make a place search of the Family History Library catalogue, at the >familysearch site, for the placename that interests you and then look for >the catergory Church Record Indexes. You should then look for a heading >Computer Printout etc., etc., and if you find such a heading the link from >it will show you the batch numbers allocated to that parish. > >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis >Spain. > ><<Since my GGgrandmother, Mary Ann JOHNSON kept Joseph, Thomas, Hannah , >Elizabeth and Eleanor amongst their children's names in Wallsend , I guess >this is the correct family . BTW Eleanor got married to George Johnson in >Gateshead in 1816 and although the rest of their children were born & >christened in Wallsend my GGgrandmother was born in Newbottle which cost me >a great deal of lost time and energy searching for her family there . You >just never know where these babies pop up :- (I've used Hugh Wallis' batch >nos. for years , Tim. They're great:-) Ancestry was doing maintenance so I >was on and off for the last few days. >> > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >To Post a message to this list send it to, >DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > >==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >List Web Page >http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jenny - what is going on - I do not want all these messages. -- Helen Oram

In a message dated 26/02/2007 14:29:37 GMT Standard Time, topoisomer@yahoo.com writes: Does that mean that before 1874 (or 1836)i might have problems tracing the death of English/Welsh relatives? or does the 1874(1836) act just replace a previous one? _______________________________________________________________ Hi Jack, The 1874 Act was an Act to amend the Law relating to the Registration of Births and Deaths in England, and to consolidate the Law respecting the Registration of Births and Deaths at Sea. [7th August 1874.] There was mainly a difference in the wording. It was still illegal to carry out a burial and not notify the Registrar within seven days. Before Civil Registration started in July 1837 the main record of burials would be in the Parish Register, although burial in Anglican graveyards has never been universal. The 1836 Act wording Section XXV was; ......shall, within Eight Days next after the Day of such Death, give Information, upon being requested so to do, to the said Registrar, according to the best of his or her Knowledge and Belief, of the several Particulars hereby required to be known and registered touching the Death of such Person. Section XXVII. and every Person who shall bury or perform any Funeral or any religious Service for the Burial of any dead Body for which no Certificate shall have been duly made and delivered as aforesaid, either by the Registrar or Coroner, and who shall not within Seven Days give Notice thereof to the Registrar, shall forfeit and pay any Sum not exceeding Ten Pounds for every such Offence. See http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/Browse?path=Browse/Legislation%20(by%20date)&active=yes&treestate=contract&titlepos=0 for the full wording of the Acts. Regards Stan Mapstone

Sorry Dorothy, I have just spotted an error in my earlier message. The marriage of Joseph Atkinson to Hannah Hills that I found on the IGI took place in 1782 and not 1792 as I wrongly typed in my message. Remember too that Hugh Wallis's site has not been updated very much and the IGI at the familysearch site has many more batch numbers on it now that Hugh has included in his site. I agree Hugh's site is very useful but do remember to check the familysearch site if you don't find the name of the parish that you are interested in on Hugh's listings. Make a place search of the Family History Library catalogue, at the familysearch site, for the placename that interests you and then look for the catergory Church Record Indexes. You should then look for a heading Computer Printout etc., etc., and if you find such a heading the link from it will show you the batch numbers allocated to that parish. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<Since my GGgrandmother, Mary Ann JOHNSON kept Joseph, Thomas, Hannah , Elizabeth and Eleanor amongst their children's names in Wallsend , I guess this is the correct family . BTW Eleanor got married to George Johnson in Gateshead in 1816 and although the rest of their children were born & christened in Wallsend my GGgrandmother was born in Newbottle which cost me a great deal of lost time and energy searching for her family there . You just never know where these babies pop up :- (I've used Hugh Wallis' batch nos. for years , Tim. They're great:-) Ancestry was doing maintenance so I was on and off for the last few days. >>

Useful, Stan thanks for that. It appears i might just have been working too hard/too late to spot it. You raise a pertinent thought in my head: Does that mean that before 1874 (or 1836)i might have problems tracing the death of English/Welsh relatives? or does the 1874(1836) act just replace a previous one? Cheers Jack --- Stanmapstone@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 25/02/2007 23:03:36 GMT Standard > Time, > topoisomer@yahoo.com writes: > or would all the victims been hurridly buried and > that > might explain the apparent lack of Death Register. > ______________________________________________________________ > It was illegal not to register a death from > whatever cause. > The 1874 Act: > Section 9 The death of every person dying in England > after the commencement > of this Act, and the cause of such death, shall be > registered by the > registrar in the manner directed by the Births and > Deaths Registration Acts, 1836 to > 1874. > Section 17 The person who buries or performs any > funeral or religious > service for the burial of any dead body, as to which > no order or certificate under > this section is delivered to him, shall, within > seven days after the burial, > give notice thereof in writing to the registrar, and > if he fail so to do > shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding ten > pounds. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ Web email has come of age. Don't settle for less than the All New Yahoo! Mail http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I was interested to read your e-mail. My husband had an aunt who was a TODD.in Tanfield/Collierly area. What I have on her family is that they came from Northumberland area in the earlier 1800s.--could we be connected? Betty.

In message <001001c75946$055dbac0$44504346@Blais>, Dorothy & Nick <donik@shaw.ca> writes >Thank you very much , Jenny, Carol and Tim. > >Since my GGgrandmother, Mary Ann JOHNSON kept Joseph, Thomas, Hannah , >Elizabeth and Eleanor amongst their children's names in Wallsend , I >guess this is the correct family . BTW Eleanor got married to George >Johnson in Gateshead in 1816 and although the rest of their children >were born & christened in Wallsend my GGgrandmother was born in >Newbottle which cost me a great deal of lost time and energy searching >for her family there . You just never know where these babies pop up >:-) I've used Hugh Wallis' batch nos. for years , Tim. They're >great:-) Ancestry was doing maintenance so I was on and off for the >last few days. >Cheers, >Dorothy > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >To Post a message to this list send it to, >DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > >==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >List Web Page >http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > Hi Jenny, Dorothy and others Your last few mails on this topic have come to me privately and not to the DUR list. Please can you check how you have configured your address settings. Regards, -- Helen Oram

In a message dated 25/02/2007 23:03:36 GMT Standard Time, topoisomer@yahoo.com writes: or would all the victims been hurridly buried and that might explain the apparent lack of Death Register. ______________________________________________________________ It was illegal not to register a death from whatever cause. The 1874 Act: Section 9 The death of every person dying in England after the commencement of this Act, and the cause of such death, shall be registered by the registrar in the manner directed by the Births and Deaths Registration Acts, 1836 to 1874. Section 17 The person who buries or performs any funeral or religious service for the burial of any dead body, as to which no order or certificate under this section is delivered to him, shall, within seven days after the burial, give notice thereof in writing to the registrar, and if he fail so to do shall be liable to a penalty not exceeding ten pounds. Regards Stan Mapstone

Jan, Carol, Thanks for this. I don't know how i could have missed it. I can only think it must have been at the end of a late night of research. I really appreciate it. Cheers Jack --- Jan Moore <janmoore@ntlworld.com> wrote: > Could this be her death? > > > Sep 1899 Cahill Catherine 66 Auckland 10a > 135 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <topoisomer@yahoo.com> > To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Cholera. Spennymoor.Tuddah > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > I am trying to find out about my maternal GG > > GrandMother. > > Having tried all the usual sources, and am at a > loss. > > > > I know that she died between 1891 and 1901. > > I have found my GG Grandmother and my GG > Grandfather > > on the Census 1891 (St Pauls at Spennymoor), with > my G > > Grandmother as an infant > > > > I have found my G Grandmother and my widowered GG > > Grandfather on the Census 1901 (Spennymoor) > > > > I checked the index of deaths and couldn't find > her, > > my still-kicking Grandmother told me my GG > GrandMother > > (and her sister)died in a Cholera outbreak in > > Spennymoor or Tuddah. > > > > Any had a similar experience? or lists of Cholera > > victims? > > or would all the victims been hurridly buried and > that > > might explain the apparent lack of Death Register. > > > > Her name was Catherine Cahill (nee Dolan) > > > > Any help would be really appreciated > > > > Cheers > > > > Jack > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in > competitive emailing. Find out > > more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play > games and win prizes. > > > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > To Post a message to this list send it to, > > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > > List Web Page > > > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ___________________________________________________________ All New Yahoo! Mail – Tired of unwanted email come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

Could this be her death? Sep 1899 Cahill Catherine 66 Auckland 10a 135 ----- Original Message ----- From: <topoisomer@yahoo.com> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Cholera. Spennymoor.Tuddah > > Hi all, > > I am trying to find out about my maternal GG > GrandMother. > Having tried all the usual sources, and am at a loss. > > I know that she died between 1891 and 1901. > I have found my GG Grandmother and my GG Grandfather > on the Census 1891 (St Pauls at Spennymoor), with my G > Grandmother as an infant > > I have found my G Grandmother and my widowered GG > Grandfather on the Census 1901 (Spennymoor) > > I checked the index of deaths and couldn't find her, > my still-kicking Grandmother told me my GG GrandMother > (and her sister)died in a Cholera outbreak in > Spennymoor or Tuddah. > > Any had a similar experience? or lists of Cholera > victims? > or would all the victims been hurridly buried and that > might explain the apparent lack of Death Register. > > Her name was Catherine Cahill (nee Dolan) > > Any help would be really appreciated > > Cheers > > Jack > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out > more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, I am trying to find out about my maternal GG GrandMother. Having tried all the usual sources, and am at a loss. I know that she died between 1891 and 1901. I have found my GG Grandmother and my GG Grandfather on the Census 1891 (St Pauls at Spennymoor), with my G Grandmother as an infant I have found my G Grandmother and my widowered GG Grandfather on the Census 1901 (Spennymoor) I checked the index of deaths and couldn't find her, my still-kicking Grandmother told me my GG GrandMother (and her sister)died in a Cholera outbreak in Spennymoor or Tuddah. Any had a similar experience? or lists of Cholera victims? or would all the victims been hurridly buried and that might explain the apparent lack of Death Register. Her name was Catherine Cahill (nee Dolan) Any help would be really appreciated Cheers Jack ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

Hi Could this be her I wonder? Catherine Cahill Estimated birth year:abt 1833 Year of Registration:1899 Quarter of Registration:Jul-Aug-Sep Age at Death:66 District:Auckland County:Durham Volume:10a Page:135 (click to see others on page) My William ramsahw died inSunderland 1848 during an epidemic of cholera- his death was recorded- i think they always followed proper procedures but often buried quickly and in seperate areas. carol

Thank you very much , Jenny, Carol and Tim. Since my GGgrandmother, Mary Ann JOHNSON kept Joseph, Thomas, Hannah , Elizabeth and Eleanor amongst their children's names in Wallsend , I guess this is the correct family . BTW Eleanor got married to George Johnson in Gateshead in 1816 and although the rest of their children were born & christened in Wallsend my GGgrandmother was born in Newbottle which cost me a great deal of lost time and energy searching for her family there . You just never know where these babies pop up :-) I've used Hugh Wallis' batch nos. for years , Tim. They're great:-) Ancestry was doing maintenance so I was on and off for the last few days. Cheers, Dorothy

http://www.durhampast.net/sunderland_masons.htm Hi I have come across this site re Sunderland- amongst the items is a list of freemasons in Sunderland and a list of principal inhabitants 1795-6. Vey interesting so I thought Id share. Carol

Dorothy, http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/Transcriptions/DUR/HSP1750.html lists a marriage between Joseph ATKINSON and Hannah HILLS, 19 May 1782, (five years before John A and Hannah Weddel, 13 May 1787). In fact, the marriage between Joseph and Hannah Hills shows up on the IGI for me. If you go back to the IGI and find the baptism record for Eleanor again, you can quickly find the details for several of her siblings. I would be reasonably confident of the following : Ann Christened 27 May 1787 Hannah 05 Apr 1789 Thos. 09 Oct 1785 Elizabeth 15 Jun 1783 The "secret" to finding them is : >From the IGI Individual record for Eleanor's baptism, click on the batch number P000471 in the bottom left corner. That takes you to a new search page, where you can search that batch alone, and for which you don't have to include much detail. Simply enter ATKINSON as the Last Name, and Joseph as the fathers first name - nothing else. Then click on Search. HTH, Tim S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy & Nick" <donik@shaw.ca> To: <DUR-NBL-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [genealogy] [DUR-NBL] Houghton Le Spring records > Hi Listers, > > The IGI gives the parents of my recently discovered 4X grandmother , Eleanor ATKINSON christened on 12 March , 1793 in Houghton Le Spring as Joseph ATKINSON and Hannah. I cannot find anything on a Joseph but there are several likely siblings for Hannah (maybe WEDDELL) and a John ATKINSON . Did the IGI make a mistake with the name Joseph? Has anyone access to these parish records that could help me? > Cheers, > Dorothy on Vancouver Island