Hi Catherine, When I was looking for a Catholic burial for someone who died in 1860, I couldn't find him in any nearby Catholic burial records. I was in Durham Record Office searching for this burial, and someone there told me that a lot of Catholic Churches didn't have a graveyard, and that quite often, they were buried in the nearest Anglican Church. So I did some searching of the nearby Anglican churches, and sure enough, I found my man buried there. Maybe the same thing has happened to you? You need to search the burial records of all the Anglican Churches in the surrounding areas. Hope you find them! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine Murphy To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2007 6:25 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Catholic burials Trying to find out where two sets of great grandparents may be buried. Both are Catholic I think.One lot- the O'Nealls ( or a version of this) John died in Tudhoe in 1889 and Catherine in Tudhoe Grange in 1893. The second lot - the Rammages( or Ramages) Henry died in Merrington in1874 and Elizabeth in Tudhoe in 1889.

Trying to find out where two sets of great grandparents may be buried. Both are Catholic I think.One lot- the O'Nealls ( or a version of this) John died in Tudhoe in 1889 and Catherine in Tudhoe Grange in 1893. The second lot - the Rammages( or Ramages) Henry died in Merrington in1874 and Elizabeth in Tudhoe in 1889. I'm not sure where the nearest Catholic burial grounds were at that time .We looked in Merrington churchyard and just got very muddy! and the priest at Tudhoe (St Charles) said there were no records that far back- so any ideas gratefully received. Cathy

Hi Listers I am looking for the whereabouts of 34 Ellesmere Street, South Shields, it does not seem to be anywhere on the present map on multimap, so I wondered if anyone out there would know where it used to be? My grandmother Mary Jane SCOTT was born there in 1910 daughter of Thomas SCOTT & Mary Ann (PEACOCK). Many thanks Caroline

The Probate duty began life as a stamp duty in 1694, it is also known as Death Duty. See http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/death-duty.asp Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Irene In 1796 Legacy Duty was a tax payable on money left in wills or received from an administration (admon) of a personal estate. Close relatives such as wives and children did not have to pay. More distant relatives had to pay and this was based on a percentage depending on the relationship between the Testator or Intestate and the Beneficiary. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 20/03/2007 16:16:47 GMT Standard Time, caroline.day1@ntlworld.com writes: I am looking for the whereabouts of 34 Ellesmere Street, South Shields, it does not seem to be anywhere on the present map on multimap, _________________________________________________________________ Hi Caroline, Ellesmere Street was off Mile End Road, approx. where Wellington Drive is. It was parallel to Heron Drive. Use the maps on http://www.tomorrows-history.com/ for 1970-79 Regards Stan Mapstone

Thank you Ian for this, I will go back on site and try again! Noreen York Uk if you select Northumberland as the county, then Gateshead appears in the district lookup list. Cheers, Ian Noreen Rose wrote: > Dear all > > > > I am trying to obtain a copy of the 1911 census of my father’s family, who > were not to be found anywhere, on the 1901. I have my grandmother’s death > certificate. She died 26 April 1911, Emma KITCHEN, I am having problems > with the online form. The death gives her address as 164 St Cuthberts Road, > Gateshead UD, in the County of Gateshead. > > > > The list does not have Gateshead on it, as a county, but the county, Durham, > does not have Gateshead on it either. What am I doing wrong? I had a lot > of help from people trying to find them in 1901, when they were not there, I > need to find my grandfather’s place of birth Cumberland or Yorkshire. No > problem with Emma who was a Styan from Whixley. They married just after the > 1891 Census in Edmonton in 1892. They are not on the 1901. My father bn > Ashton Street, Gateshead in January 1902. > > Can anyone help please? > > Noreen > > York uk > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.15/728 - Release Date: 20/03/2007 08:07

Hello Janice, Just a word of thanks for you taking the time to look up this family for me; you have been very helpful. Anne

Hi All (and especially Stan) I have a stamp duty record for an ancestor who died in 1808. There seems to be 2 rates payable. Siblings certainly paid 2 and a half percent. One apparently unrelated lady paid 8 percent on her cash legacy and the value of furniture and bedding that she received. A trust set up for the illegitimate child of the testator's father had to pay tax at 8% even though this child would have been a half sibling of the testator. There are two other legatees who only paid the lower rate. Both are women and no relationship is mentioned. Does anyone know the criteria for stamp duty rate paid on legacies in 1808? Thanks and regards, Irene Marlborough FreeCEN Coordinator for Manchester 1861 http://www.freecen.org.uk

In a message dated 20/03/2007 00:22:04 GMT Standard Time, harper@tooronga.demon.co.uk writes: Am I right to think that as a householder, the head-of-house would be a voter <1920-30> _____________________________________________________________________ Hi Clare, The Representation of the People Act 1918, recognising the part which men and women had played in the First World War, abolished the property qualifications and gave the vote to men at 21 and women at 30, that right being dependent on six months' residence or occupation of business premises worth £ 10 a year. The women had to be householders or the wives of householders or to have been to university. From 15 October 1918 to 1926 the electoral registers were compiled twice a year. The 1928 Equal Franchise Act gave the vote to all adults at the age of 21 The registers are not indexed by name but by street, so you would need to know where they were living. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi List, I am having to look for details of a relative who lived in Newcastle during the 20th Century. Am I right to think that as a householder, the head-of-house would be a voter <1920-30> and, given that he was, I would need to know his address in order to find the correct ward? I have to establish his and his family's existence in the city/suburbs in order to discount the long-held view that they emigrated to USA. I can't think of any other way to determine this whilst keepin to the English end of things. Royal Grammar School past pupils' list for the boys of the family? (They were reasonably "comfortable"). If I could determine where they lived, maybe other schools have records for around 1916-26? Regards, Clare

Just to add to this: there may be no cost if a person is asking for his/her own papers, or if the person is the widow/widower of the service person. My mother obtained her late husband's army plus her own ATS papers at no cost. Someone other than next of kin may obtain the papers so long as they have written authority from the next of kin. However a charge would then be made. The papers are largely personnel documentation, with details of postings, promotions and the like. There will probably be no information regarding war activities, except for dates of embarkation to theatres of war perhaps. On the form the following are mandatory: surname and forname(s) and service number or date of birth of the person whose papers are requested. Cheers, Ian Nivard Ovington wrote: > Hi Carol > > This may help > > Copied from a previous posting > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Officers or Soldiers whose regular or reserve service ended between 1921 and > 1997 > > Army Personnel Centre > HQ Secretariat > Historical Disclosures > Mail Point 400 > Kentigern House > 65 Brown Street > Glasgow > G2 8EX > Tel: 0845 600 9663, option 1, then option 3 > > For records of soldiers whose service ended after 1921 you will be sent a > couple of forms. > One is for information on the soldier whose records you are requesting. > You need to provide name and age as an absolute minimum. > Preferably, location at enlistment and regiment plus any information on > places served. > > The second form is to certify that you are next of kin. You will not be > given the information unless you are next of kin (or the soldier themselves > of course). > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I would think his TA records would be with his Army records. > > I gather it costs around 30gbp and takes quite a time, I seem to recall 6 > months being mentioned but that may be wrong, a phone call should clarify > they have TA records and the ETA + cost > > Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > > > >> Hello >> >> Does anyone know if there are any records held on members of the >> Territorial Army Reserve. >> >> I am interested in any records held for the Tynemouth/North Shields >> area. My father was a member of the Territorial Army before the 2nd World >> War. When war broke out he was called up along with other members of the >> T.A. They left for France from Tynemouth Station being piped aboard the >> train by a piper. I have no idea which regiment my father was part of >> although he did end up at Dunkirk. >> >> Regards >> >> Carol >>

Hi Carol This may help Copied from a previous posting ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Officers or Soldiers whose regular or reserve service ended between 1921 and 1997 Army Personnel Centre HQ Secretariat Historical Disclosures Mail Point 400 Kentigern House 65 Brown Street Glasgow G2 8EX Tel: 0845 600 9663, option 1, then option 3 For records of soldiers whose service ended after 1921 you will be sent a couple of forms. One is for information on the soldier whose records you are requesting. You need to provide name and age as an absolute minimum. Preferably, location at enlistment and regiment plus any information on places served. The second form is to certify that you are next of kin. You will not be given the information unless you are next of kin (or the soldier themselves of course). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I would think his TA records would be with his Army records. I gather it costs around 30gbp and takes quite a time, I seem to recall 6 months being mentioned but that may be wrong, a phone call should clarify they have TA records and the ETA + cost Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hello > > Does anyone know if there are any records held on members of the > Territorial Army Reserve. > > I am interested in any records held for the Tynemouth/North Shields > area. My father was a member of the Territorial Army before the 2nd World > War. When war broke out he was called up along with other members of the > T.A. They left for France from Tynemouth Station being piped aboard the > train by a piper. I have no idea which regiment my father was part of > although he did end up at Dunkirk. > > Regards > > Carol

Hello Does anyone know if there are any records held on members of the Territorial Army Reserve. I am interested in any records held for the Tynemouth/North Shields area. My father was a member of the Territorial Army before the 2nd World War. When war broke out he was called up along with other members of the T.A. They left for France from Tynemouth Station being piped aboard the train by a piper. I have no idea which regiment my father was part of although he did end up at Dunkirk. Regards Carol

Anne, I forgot to add. Stephen Nott married Alice Johnson in Newcastle All Saints 30 March 1807. Janis

Anne, What I found on the children of Stephen Nott and Alice Newcastle All Saints Elizabeth Nott born 23 Jan 1809, baptised 9 July 1809, 1st daughter of d/o Stephen Nott, cordwainer of Kidderminster, Worster by his wife and Alice d/o George Johnson, yeoman, of Framlington Northumberland Mary Nott born 26 Aug 1810, baptised 16 Sept 1810, 2nd daughter of Stephen Nott, soldier of Kidderminster, Worster by his wife Alice daughter of George Johnson labourer of Longframlington, Northumberland Tynemouth Christ Church Sarah Nott baptised 17 March 1816 d/o Stephen and Alice Nott Mary Ann Nott and Isabella Nott baptised 15 Nov 1818 d/o Stephen and Alice Nott Stephen Nott baptised 29 March 1820 s/o Stephen and Alice Nott of North Shields, Shoemaker Alice may still exist as a child of Stephen and Alice but probably not baptised in Tynemouth. She might only remember living in Tynemouth and say that is her place of birth. Janis

Noreen, if you select Northumberland as the county, then Gateshead appears in the district lookup list. Cheers, Ian Noreen Rose wrote: > Dear all > > > > I am trying to obtain a copy of the 1911 census of my father’s family, who > were not to be found anywhere, on the 1901. I have my grandmother’s death > certificate. She died 26 April 1911, Emma KITCHEN, I am having problems > with the online form. The death gives her address as 164 St Cuthberts Road, > Gateshead UD, in the County of Gateshead. > > > > The list does not have Gateshead on it, as a county, but the county, Durham, > does not have Gateshead on it either. What am I doing wrong? I had a lot > of help from people trying to find them in 1901, when they were not there, I > need to find my grandfather’s place of birth Cumberland or Yorkshire. No > problem with Emma who was a Styan from Whixley. They married just after the > 1891 Census in Edmonton in 1892. They are not on the 1901. My father bn > Ashton Street, Gateshead in January 1902. > > Can anyone help please? > > Noreen > > York uk > > >

Dear all I am trying to obtain a copy of the 1911 census of my father’s family, who were not to be found anywhere, on the 1901. I have my grandmother’s death certificate. She died 26 April 1911, Emma KITCHEN, I am having problems with the online form. The death gives her address as 164 St Cuthberts Road, Gateshead UD, in the County of Gateshead. The list does not have Gateshead on it, as a county, but the county, Durham, does not have Gateshead on it either. What am I doing wrong? I had a lot of help from people trying to find them in 1901, when they were not there, I need to find my grandfather’s place of birth Cumberland or Yorkshire. No problem with Emma who was a Styan from Whixley. They married just after the 1891 Census in Edmonton in 1892. They are not on the 1901. My father bn Ashton Street, Gateshead in January 1902. Can anyone help please? Noreen York uk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.13/726 - Release Date: 18/03/2007 15:34

Would there be anyone who has access to the parish records for North Shields around 1813. I am looking for the baptism and parents of an Alice NOTT . She was most likely the daughter of Stephen and Alice NOTT. They apparently had a Mary baptized to them in 1810, and Stephen in 1820. I can't help but think they had an Alice somewhere inbetween. Alice married an ADDISON, and had seven known children, one being Stephen Nott ADDISON, adding further support to the theory. Many thanks Anne Canada

Sorry Stan, I stand corrected, you are quite right of course. Regards, Eileen Sturt ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Thanks!David Allan > In a message dated 18/03/2007 11:34:26 GMT Standard Time, > eileen.sturt@tiscali.co.uk writes: > Perhaps this was the reason > your relative changed his religion so late in life too? > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > To be strictly correct he did not change his religion, which was > Christian, > he changed his denomination. The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of > England > and all the non-conformists are Christians > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > > >