Diane Lowery posted a message about LOWERY in the 1871 census. Does she or anyone else have any connections to Robert LOWREY (1878 to 1910). Wife was Elizabeth (nee BULMER), and children were Robert (1907 to 1990) and Florence (1910 to 1989). The family was mainly associated with the Byker area of Newcastle, except Elizabeth who was from Hartlepool. There were other LOWERY / LOWREY families in or near Byker at about the same time, and I don't know whether or not they were related. Any information about any of them would be appreciated. Many Thanks, Ian White Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada.

I am looking for a THOMAS BARNWELL, born Ireland about 1833-1840, married to a CATHERINE with children MARY (1868) and ELLEN (November 1870). Ellen was born at 16 Queen's Road, Jarrow and her brother THOMAS was born April 1872 at 15 Queen's Road. I am unable to find them using any index. At times members have been transcribed as BRAMWELL, BARNELL, BRUMWELL, BRAMBULL and all have been tried on Ancestry. Brother WILLIAM and family are at 17 Queen's Road and his sister CATHERINE MAGUIRE and family are at what I believe is 20 Queen's Road (the page does not show the number). Another brother SAMUEL and family are in Jarrow aged 40 but the copy of the page I have does not contain an address. Can anyone help me please. Richard

Thanks to one of your wonderful listers, Jan Boyes, I have recently found that my great Uncle Edward NUGENT was married to Mary CARROLL in Stockton on Tees, Co. Durham, England on 5 October 1912. (Source Parish Records of St Cuthberts RC Church, Yarm Road, Stockton-on-Tees.) The record states that Mary CARROLL was of "Teesbridge" Stockton. Mary's Father - Matthew CARROLL of Teesbridge Edward's Father - Edward NUGENT of Murnells, Co.Tyrone, Ireland Witnesses - Denis Nugent (This was Edward's youngest brother) and Phoebe? McKewon (Don't know who this is, spelling may be incorrect as entry was difficult to read.) This might be a child of Edward and Mary's born in Liverpool Birth Dec qtr 1913. Liverpool Volume 8b pg 9 Winifred NUGENT - mother's maiden name - CARROLL Mary and Edward had 4 known children born in Stockton: Edward Matthew NUGENT b.15 Feb 1915 (Parish Records St.Cuthberts RC church.) Joseph NUGENT b. Dec.Qtr.1916 Matthew NUGENT b. Dec 1920 Anthony NUGENT b. 11 April 1925 ( Parish Records St. Mary R.C. church.) At the time of Edward Matthew's birth they were living at The Custom House Hotel, No.15, Finkle Street, Stockton.( built in 1730 as a Customs House. Demolished c1968, now the site of the Castle Centre car park ramp.) They were living at The Three Tuns Hotel in Thistle Green, Stockton at the time of Anthony's birth in 1925. Edward was the Proprietor.(Now known as The Riverside Inn) Edward NUGENT who was born 1881 in Lanark Scotland died in 1930. He and Mary are buried in Oxbridge Lane Cemetery Stockton. From the headstone is has been determined that Mary was born about 1885 and died 16 Nov. 1952. I have been unable to find Matthew CARROLL in the 1901 census. I cannot find Mary living in a family with a father named Matthew but since she would have been 17 years old it is likely that she had left home. There are a few likely matches for her working as a servant. I do have Edward NUGENT in the Scottish 1881 census, British 1891 and 1901 census. I have not been able to find any marriages for Mary and Edward's children. Any help, opinions, connection or information relating to the NUGENT children of Edward and Mary or to any of the CARROLL family would be very welcome. Best Wishes, Lynn in Montreal

Hi I think I have them, if you need a copy let me know. carol 1871 Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow NameAge Catharine Barwell30 Ellen Barwell6 months Thomas Barwell36 John Curr40 Barnard Gann37 RG10; Piece: 5039; Folio: 69; Page: 24; GSU roll: 848495.

Hi, Could someone clarify the information for Emma Davidson Storey on the 1891 census? The info on Ancestry is too faint to read. Civil Parish: Byker Ecclesiastical Parish: St. Michaels Town: Newcastle Registration District: Newcastle Upon Tyne District: #26 RG12/4216 Many thanks. Liz Irwin USA

In a message dated 29/03/2007 16:29:16 GMT Daylight Time, crhayes@andlau.com writes: Have you any thoughts about whether or not Samuel could be employed as a 'tailor' for HM Customs? __________________________________________________________________ Hi Ralph, I think it highly unlikely that he would be employed as a full time 'tailor' as there would not have been enough work for him. It looks as though he was earning 'a bit on the side' as an extra tide-waiter. It could be he had retired as a Tailor. Regards Stan Mapstone

That's very useful information Stan. Thank you. Have you any thoughts about whether or not Samuel could be employed as a 'tailor' for HM Customs? I have had one email from a subscriber who suggested that his occupation might be 'sailor' but, on checking the three originals I have access to, the word is clearly 'tailor'. I appreciate your assistance. Cheers ... Ralph > > Extra Tide-waiters were not constantly employed so he could still have > worked as a Tailor. When extra tide-waiters were appointed and placed upon the > list, they were liable to be called upon to act as tide-waiters whenever there > may be occasion for their services, and they were paid by the job. They were > bound to obey the call, and to leave any other business they may have had in > hand at the time. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > >

Diane, Sorry again to be sending this to the List but I am still blacklisted from sending you mail and have had the mail with census images bounced. Is there someone else I can send them to who could forward them to you? I have found the entire family and brother Thomas. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada

Hi Listers, Would someone who has access to the 1871 Census please be able to do a look-up for me. The family is Robert LOWERY (42) Frances LOWERY (42) with children John (18) Isabella (15) George (11) Thomas (9) and Ann (7) I would appreciate the help. Diane (Melbourne)

Hello List! Correspondence interesting on this issue. I have a brother and sister who took their lives and I am really stuck to find more about their situations.... Brother John Ramsay Maule aged 51yrs died by gunshot wound to his head administered by his own revolver. He was retired Army Capt living at Bathpool Worfield Shropshire who ended it all on 10 Jan 1890. Sister was Sarah Stuart Maule aged 42yrs who consumed carbolic acid. She was lady's secretary living at 530 Kings Rd Chelsea London and this happened 11 Sep 1885. A post mortem was requested. Inquest held Sep 14 1885. I have been in touch with London Metropolitan Archives who tell me the inquest records for this year don't exist. Is a search at Colindale Newspaper Library the only avenue I have? I have tried Google search with no success. Am lucky to have death certificates with basic information. Would love to have advice please on next step..... Thanks very much Judy McCracken in Auckland NZ

In a message dated 28/03/2007 09:37:25 GMT Daylight Time, judmc@xtra.co.nz writes: Is a search at Colindale Newspaper Library the only avenue I have? I have tried Google search with no success. Am lucky to have death certificates with basic information. Would love to have advice please on next step..... _________________________________________________________________ A full list of existing records is given in "Coroners' Records in England & Wales" published by the Federation of Family History Societies. Newspapers are probably your best bet. You may be able to get details from The British Library Newspaper Library, http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html#online but you would need to know the newspapers and dates, unless you went to the library itself, to search the records. Regards Stan Mapstone

Extra Tide-waiters were not constantly employed so he could still have worked as a Tailor. When extra tide-waiters were appointed and placed upon the list, they were liable to be called upon to act as tide-waiters whenever there may be occasion for their services, and they were paid by the job. They were bound to obey the call, and to leave any other business they may have had in hand at the time. Regards Stan Mapstone

Diane, Sorry to be sending this to the List but I sent a message to your email address regarding the LOWERY look up and it bounced. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Lowery" <geminidi19@rabbit.com.au> To: <DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 6:22 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Fw: 1871 Census - LOWERY Hi Listers, Would someone who has access to the 1871 Census please be able to do a look-up for me. The family is Robert LOWERY (42) Frances LOWERY (42) with children John (18) Isabella (15) George (11) Thomas (9) and Ann (7) I would appreciate the help. Diane (Melbourne)

Having found Frances and some of the children I searched for Robert Lowery and found him living with his mother also Isabella with her grandmother. Let me know if you want the images. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada Hi Listers, Would someone who has access to the 1871 Census please be able to do a look-up for me. The family is Robert LOWERY (42) Frances LOWERY (42) with children John (18) Isabella (15) George (11) Thomas (9) and Ann (7) I would appreciate the help. Diane (Melbourne)

Hi Diane, I think I have found your family living in Great Lumley. I will send you the image if you want it. Frances Lowrey, Lodger, married, 40, Coal miner's wife, b Newcastle upon Lyne George, 11, Lodger, Coal miner, b Lumley, Durham Thomas, Lodger, 9, Scholar, b Lumley Ann, Lodger, 6, Scholar, b Lumley No Robert in the home so will look for him. Marg >From the Beautiful British Columbia Cariboo Region, Canada Hi Listers, Would someone who has access to the 1871 Census please be able to do a look-up for me. The family is Robert LOWERY (42) Frances LOWERY (42) with children John (18) Isabella (15) George (11) Thomas (9) and Ann (7) I would appreciate the help. Diane (Melbourne)

Samuel Hayes was born in 1800, Bishopwearmouth. The 1841 and 1851 censuses show his occupation to be Tailor. I have also obtained a copy of the Registration of Birth of my G-Grandfather, Samuel's son, on which Samuel's occupation is also listed as Tailor. The 1861 census (when Samuel was 61 years old) lists his occupation as "Tide Waiter (extra man)". I understand the meaning of this occupation. I am in possession of a "sword cane" on which is engraved "Samuel Hayes HM Customs Sunderland 1849" I understand that these canes were used to poke into bags on board ships to see if they hit anything solid. Thus, Samuel seems to have worked for HM Customs. I am wondering if anyone on the list who has some knowledge of HM Customs can comment on this curiosity. Specifically, is it possible that Samuel was a tailor for HM Customs? Did they wear uniforms? Any suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks ... Ralph

Hi Carol The NH is actually NK which is the abbreviation for Not Known So it reads born "London, County or Township Not Known" In 1841 she is still in Sadberge and enumerated as N which is born out of County enumerated Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Admin for OVINGTON - HAYLOCK - SEYMOUR Lists >I have a copy of the 1851 census for Sadberge, Durham, with the names of >Jane Guy and Elizabeth Guy. For Jane, under the column where it asks her >birthplace, it says what looks like London written over "city and township >N.H". or at least that's what it looks like. The N.H. part is just a >guess as I can't make out exactly what it says. I can't believe a pauper >and former agricultural worker could have come from London in the 18th >century to Penrith and then gone on to Sadberge, Durham. That would have >been quite a trip at that time. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a place >name in Durham or Cumberland that could look like London. Maybe Lowden or >something similar? A person on the message board told me that if it was >truly London, it wouldn't say city and township. Any ideas? > Carol Trout, Murrieta, California

I have a copy of the 1851 census for Sadberge, Durham, with the names of Jane Guy and Elizabeth Guy. For Jane, under the column where it asks her birthplace, it says what looks like London written over "city and township N.H". or at least that's what it looks like. The N.H. part is just a guess as I can't make out exactly what it says. I can't believe a pauper and former agricultural worker could have come from London in the 18th century to Penrith and then gone on to Sadberge, Durham. That would have been quite a trip at that time. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a place name in Durham or Cumberland that could look like London. Maybe Lowden or something similar? A person on the message board told me that if it was truly London, it wouldn't say city and township. Any ideas? Carol Trout, Murrieta, California

Hi Carol, Thanks he had a son called John and a daughter Martha so this could be him Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: <Carolgriff@aol.com> To: <gordon.mccallum2@ntlworld.com>; <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Fw: Walter Smith > Hi > > I would take a look at this one on IGI cos chatton is near here. > > carol > > WALTR. SMITH > Male > > Event(s): > Birth: 26 JAN 1780 > > Christening: 26 JAN 1780 United Presbyterian Cheviot Street-Nc, Wooler, > Northumberland, England > > > Parents: > Father: JNO. SMITH Family > Mother: MARTHA > > > > > >

Hello David, I have a death in very similar circumstances in 1848 at Stockton on Tees. Unfortunately the Coroner's Inquest report no longer exists but the proceedings were reported in the local newspaper. The arsenic was bought on the pretext of washing the walls to kill the bugs, and according to the chemist he could only sell it mixed with an equal value of soft-soap, one pennyworth of each in this case. An inquest would normally be held within 2 or 3 days of the death. If a report still exists it will most probably be deposited with the County Record Office, and I would check the National Archives to see if it has been indexed. I hope this helps, Colin My ancestor died in 1840. On her death certificate the cause of death was 'Suicide by swallowing arsenic. Being of unsound mind'. Was this a common way to carry out suicide and would there have been an inquest?