In a message dated 13/04/2007 13:59:01 GMT Daylight Time, Carolgriff writes: So am I right in thinking that if my family occupied a dwelling then they would pay rent to a landlord and then also 2 shillings window tax to the tax man, unless they boarded the windows up and so lived in dark rooms with no fresh air, but only had to pay rent and no tax. ________________________________________________________________ I assume that there would be an incentive to brick up windows or build houses with fewer windows. However from 1823 houses with not more than seven windows were exempt, thus it did not concern the smaller poorer houses. The sort of house which had been affected most severely by the tax was probably the larger, older house, multi-occupied by the poor. As far as I am aware the tax was included in the rent and the tax was paid by the landlord. Apparently in many cases the rent was not reduced by the amount of tax abolished. >From the 1850s onwards, the laws went in the opposite direction by stipulating minimum sizes of windows for small rooms. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Stan Thanks for that, fascinating. So am I right in thinking that if my family occupied a dwelling then they would pay rent to a landlord and then also 2 shillings window tax to the tax man, unless they boarded the windows up and so lived in dark rooms with no fresh air, but only had to pay rent and no tax. Families in the pit villages living in cottages were therefore not paying tax- only rent. Carol

Hi Jan, Looking through the list of abbreviations they are all more or less self explanatory, the first letter is always the first letter of the parish. Regards Stan Mapstone

The Window Tax, which replaced the Hearth Tax, was imposed in 1696 on house occupiers, there was a new act in 1747, and the tax was abolished in 1851. During the Napoleonic Wars the tax was increased on several occasions, but was halved in 1823, before being abolished. The tax was imposed on every dwelling except cottages. Each household paid a basic two shillings and those with between 10 and 20 windows paid a further 8 shillings. In 1825 those with less than 8 windows were made exempt. Regards Stan Mapstone

This might be famous last words but if anyone wants a list of the Co. Durham parish abbreviations send me an email and I will send a list as an attachment. Janis

In a message dated 13/04/2007 11:22:35 GMT Daylight Time, janmoore@ntlworld.com writes: WHK LAM HSP WAS and if HLH is Hetton le Hole. __________________________________________ Whickham Lamesley Houghton-le-Spring Washington HLH is Hetton-le Hole Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Ive been thinking about the info Stan gave yesterday re the Cholera deaths Monkwearmouth 1848- the Registrars report "Many passages and staircases are quite dark, and windows are built up to escape the tax" Does anyone know whether the tenants would have built up windows to keep rents down or would it be the landlords to keep their taxes down. Any info would be welcome, Im used to thinking about dwellings in colliery villages at this time, presumably owned by the pit owners but am thinking Monkwearmouth would have been different in that there would be pre existing housing owned privately, presumably several storeys in height. My William Ramshaw, wife and kids came to Monkwearmouth mid 1840's from Ryhope- sounds like they stepped into an awful place from what I think would have been a rural lifestyle in Ryhope, even if they had been working on the railways/waggonways around the pit. All the death cert and burial record states is that he lived at the colliery, in 1851 census the family were shown to be at North Quay Monwearmouth. Any thoughts on this are welcome. Carol

Does anyone know more about Susannah RICHARDSON? Her husband was John READHEAD the founder of the shipyard. She is reputed to have been born about 1819 in Whitby, North Yorkshire, married on 20 Nov 1842 at St Hilda Souths Shields, and died about 1887 also South Shields. This mainly from a website about the Shipyard, but some confirmed by checking census returns. I'm doing some research for a friend, a family legend says they were related to the Readhead family - the only connection I can see at present would be through a Richardson connection - as that is her surname too. However, it's a very tenuous connection, given the time scale. Many thanks J K

Hi I am new to this list having just found a connection to this family Love to hear from anyone with a connection or info Thanks Christine 1871 England Census Name: John Hayhurst Age: 7 Estimated birth year: abt 1864 Relation: Son Father's name: Robert Mother's name: Jane Gender: Male Where born: Durham, England Civil parish: Hedworth Monkton and Yarrow Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul Town: Hebburn Quay County/Island: Durham Country: England Registration district: South Shields Sub-registration district: South Shields ED, institution, or vessel: 28c Household schedule number: 221 Household Members: Name Age Ann Hayhurst 3 Jane Hayhurst 32 John Hayhurst 7 Mary Hayhurst 10 Robert Hayhurst 35 Robert Hayhurst 1 William Hayhurst 9

Hi Listers I am researching my great uncle Edward Fisher, c1884, Eltringham, Northumberland, killed in action in WW!. I have found Edward named on the WW! memorial in St Johns Church, Chopwell (I know the family moved to Chopwell approx 1906). Does anyone know where I can obtain information on the above memorial, I know it was erected by the parishioners and Consett Iron Works. I have searched CWGC, Soldiers died CD, Forces deaths and Medal Rolls without finding any definite info and it looks as though his service records may have been destroyed. So far I have been unable to locate regiment etc. I would be most grateful if any lister knows the Chopwell area and maybe how I can find some information on WW1 casualties in that area. Cheers Dorothy Sydney NSW

Hello Gary, PATTISON is quite a common name around the area. I haven't looked into this line yet but here's what I have. Joseph PATTISON and Elizabeth JAMES were married 15 Jun 1793 in Stanhope (IGI only) They had 6 children: Jane 1794 John 1797 Sarah 1799 (my line; went to Durham city; descendants in the USA before 1850) Nancy 1804 Thomas 1807 William 1810 (wdr. living in Shildon in 1851 with mother Elizabeth 77, daur. Jane 10 and niece Sarah 19); still there in 1861 with daur. Jane and family of niece Sarah WHINN/WYNN. I looked for your Elizabeth and found the marriage on FreeBMD. > Marriages Jun 1874 (>99%) > MUNFORD Robert Auckland 10a 392 > PATTISON Elizabeth Auckland 10a 392 The Elizabeth PATTISON born in Heighington shows up as a visitor in the 1871 census but not before which raises the question of where she was. Perhaps if you ordered the certificate it would tell you her father's name and she could be tracked down. The fact that Sarah PATTISON WHINN is a niece implies that William's brothers (or sisters) had children so perhaps this Elizabeth is connected somehow. Let me know if you find more information. Best wishes, Carol Bradford PS They were actually from Wearhead, Weardale, I believe, which was then quite a remote place (and may still be.) On Apr 11, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Gary Munford wrote: > Hello Carol > I have Pattison's in my tree, from I believe the Stanhope area. I > have an Elizabeth PATTISON from Heighington that married into the > MUNFORD family from Stanhope around 1875. > Any possible connection to your bunch? > Gary Munford > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Bradford" > <cbradfo1@twcny.rr.com> > To: <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 17, 2006 10:26 AM > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Re: DUR-NBL-D Digest V06 #247 > > >> Hi all, >> Anyone researching PADDISON should check the numerous alternative >> spellings. My PATTISONs from the Stanhope area appear as PATISON, >> PATTINSON, PATTASON etc. I'm going to check to see if any of my >> lost sheep are PADDISONs. >> >> Cheers, >> Carol Bradford >> Syracuse, Onondaga, New York, USA >> >> WATSON, CARTER, PATTISON, DUNN, JAMES, COXON around Stanhope, >> Durham and Newcastle before 1850. >> >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >

In an 1871 census entry, there is a listing of the manager and staff of a theatre. The address is Eldon Square, Newcastle, but there is no indication of whether this is the residence of the theatre staff or the theatre itself. Is/Was there a theatre in Eldon Square? Ruth in Hampshire

Apart from the National War Memorial site already listed, you should try a site concentrating on the North East at http://www.newmp.org.uk/ This has a picture of the Roll of Honour and a transcript. Richard

Is anyone researching or does anyone have information on the following family members? Ann Smith born Masham and living in Crakehall 1851 onward, Fanny Smith living in East Hang in 1841, George Smith born ca 1836-37 in Crakehall, married to Susannah Sedgwick and John Smith born in 1870 in Stockton married to Ann Horn. I would appreciate any help given. Thank you, Sharon Peot

Stan, as ever, you have given me so much information. thanks ever so much, i can almost visualise what it will have been like living there! Carol

Is there anyone that could look up a baptism record for a John Smith born in 1870 in Stockton. The month may possibly be December. He was 3 months old on the 1871 census. His parents George and Susannah Smith are on the 1871 Census living in Stockton . The Ecclesiastical Parish is Holy Trinity. It is also possible he could have been baptised at Crakehall, St. Gregory's. I need this information to connect my line. I would appreciate any help that is given. Thank you, Sharon Peot

In a message dated 12/04/2007 14:51:27 GMT Daylight Time, orange.wasps@ntlworld.com writes: In an 1871 census entry, there is a listing of the manager and staff of a theatre. ___________________________________________________ Hi Ruth, Can you give the relevant census reference? Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 11/04/2007 14:02:49 GMT Daylight Time, Carolgriff@aol.com writes: I always assumed he would have been buried in some specific burial plot in Bishopwearmouth due to Cholera being the cause of death- indeed i have received thoughts on this from this group- thanks:) _______________________________________________________________ Hi Carol, In 1848 I would expect Monkwearmouth victims to be buried in the parish churchyard. Apparently there were 29 deaths due to cholera in Monkwearmouth in the Autumn ¼ 1848. I don't think that cholera victims were necessarily segregated for burial, the Hind Street extension was needed because of the extra number of deaths in the 1831 epidemic. The Registrar of Monkwearmouth said in his report; "The excess of deaths is due to cholera, which was fatal in 29 cases, of which 8 were children, almost all about the coal mines (sic). The weather has been very cold and wet with sudden and severe changes. Sanitary measures are in contemplation, which, if carried out, will be productive of much good. I have reported to the guardians about 25 cases that required to be dealt with, and some improvement has been made. There is great deficiency of light, air, and water. Many passages and staircases are quite dark, and windows are built up to escape the tax. The increase of births, which were 1666, is owing to the movement of population, caused by the making of new docks and the enlargement of coal mines at Monkwearmouth." Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Dorothy, If you go to http://www.ukniwm.org.uk/ and search for Chopwell you will find further details about the memorial. I assume it is the Chancel Screen & Window Memorial at St. Johns you refer to. The memorial was unveiled and dedicated on 25 Apr 1920 and there is a newspaper report from the Journal on 26th April. Best regards Dale Utterson Derbyshire UK > > I am researching my great uncle Edward Fisher, c1884, Eltringham, > Northumberland, killed in action in WW!. > I have found Edward named on the WW! memorial in St Johns Church, Chopwell > (I know the family moved to Chopwell approx 1906). > > Does anyone know where I can obtain information on the above memorial, I > know it was erected by the parishioners and Consett Iron Works. > > I have searched CWGC, Soldiers died CD, Forces deaths and Medal Rolls > without finding any definite info and it looks as though his service > records may have been destroyed. So far I have been unable to locate > regiment etc. > > I would be most grateful if any lister knows the Chopwell area and maybe > how I can find some information on WW1 casualties in that area. > > Cheers > Dorothy > Sydney NSW

Hello List, Is there some kind soul that could please look up a marriage for a William Campbell and Ann Young. They were married on 31 AUG 1862 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England I would like to know who William's father was please and a age of William if possible. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves