Please - is anyone else receiving my messages direct? If you are reading this, could you please let me know (off list probably else it might get clogged up). Perhaps admin could answer? I have again checked the archives: the below quoted tes message arrived there a little while ago, but I have not received this in my own in box. NOR have I received copies of any of my other messages (shown in the archives): they don't appear to have generated any answers either - that's okay there may be no knowledge. BUT why can't I see my own messages? JK On 4/20/07, J K gen <gen2mail@googlemail.com> wrote: > > test

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I'll try again Hope this is your Percival Name: Percival Clark Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Age in 1870: 33 Birthplace: England Home in 1870: Reed, Will, Illinois Family and neighbors: _View Results_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&r=an&db=1870usfedcen&F30=ILM593_292-0336&rank=0) Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: _View image_ (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7163&iid=ILM593_292-0336&fn=Percival&l n=Clark&st=r&ssrc=&pid=16317271) Post Office: Braidwood Percival Clark b. 1837 b. England Ellen Clark b. 1841 b. England Mary Clark b. 1862 b. England Robert Clark b. 1864 b. Virginia Alaxander Clark b. 1866 b. Ohio William Clark b. 1868 b. Ohio Mary Jane USA ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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Hope this is your Percival Name: Percival Clark Estimated birth year: abt 1837 Age in 1870: 33 Birthplace: England Home in 1870: Reed, Will, Illinois Family and neighbors: _View Results_ (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?ti=0&r=an&db=1870usfedcen&F30=ILM593_292-0336&rank=0) Race: White Gender: Male Value of real estate: _View image_ (http://content.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=View&r=an&dbid=7163&iid=ILM593_292-0336&fn=Percival&l n=Clark&st=r&ssrc=&pid=16317271) Post Office: Braidwood Percival Clark b. 1837 b. England Ellen Clark b. 1841 b. England Mary Clark b. 1862 b. England Robert Clark b. 1864 b. Virginia Alaxander Clark b. 1866 b. Ohio William Clark b. 1868 b. Ohio ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

In 1841 Ann Fisher was recorded on the census of Sunderland, County Durham, England, she married there in June of the same year to Samuel Paget. Ann was recorded as being born in Scotland as was the rest of the family except the youngest aged 2 years, she was born in the County of Durham. Ann Fisher was my 4th generation greatgrandmother. I have tried unsuccesfully to find Ann Fishers family on later census, to see if perhaps a place of birth was given rather than just Scotland. Is it possable that some of the pages are missing or i thought it might have been mistranscribed. This is the family on the 1841 census Place of residence was Sunderland, Bishopwearmouth Panns HO107 / 310 /11 Mary Fisher 50 - born S Elizabeth Fisher 25- born S Ann Fisher 20 - born S Eleanor Fisher - born S James Fisher - born S Bridget Fisher - born S Mary Fisher - born In County Any help would be appriciated Thankyou Carole Robinson

Carole I may have found your family - 1851 CENSUS HO 107 2395 folio 69 page 8 sch 31 Bishopwearmouth Panns , Sunderland Elizabeth Wilton head widow 39 nurse born Glasgow Scotland Ellen Fisher sister unm 28 laundress b Glasgow Scotland Elizabeth Fisher niece 2 scholar b Sunderland William Paget 8 nephew scholar Sunderland Ann Paget niece 5 scholar b Sunderland There are two deaths for a Samuel Paget in Sunderland who could be father and son March 1847 24 222 September 1849 24 241 and the death of an Ann Paget Jun 1850 24 182 Here's another family of Paget from Sunderland - possibly a brother to Samuel 1881 CENSUS 33 Deptford Ter Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England RG11 Piece 4989 Folio 123 Page 50 Susannah ELLIOTT W 32 Sunderland, Dur Head Samual PADGET U 27 Sunderland, Dur Brother Iron Ship Yard Lab Steven PADGET U 23 Sunderland, Dur Brother Iron Ship Yard Lab Thomas PADGET U 20 Sunderland, Dur Brother Glass House Lab George PADGET U 17 Sunderland, Dur Brother Iron Ship Rivet Heater John PADGET 14 Sunderland, Dur Brother Scholar Sarah ELLIOTT 11 Sunderland, Dur Daur Scholar John ELLIOTT 7 Sunderland, Dur Son Scholar Susanah ELLIOTT 4 Sunderland, Dur Daur 1871 CENSUS RG 10 piece 5000 folio 64 page 28 sch 134 10 Peacock Street Bishopwearmouth, Sunderland Al born Sunderland Simon Pager head widower 48 shipwright Susannah Elliott stepdaughter unm 21 housekeeper Samuel Paget son 16 blacksmith's apprentice Stephen Paget son 14 Rivetter's apprentice Thomas Paget son 11 scholar George Paget son 7 scholar John Paget son 4 scholar Sarah Anne Elliott grandchild 1 In 1861 Simmonds Paget married age 36 born Sunderland is living as a lodger in Portsmouth Hampshire He is a ship wright in HM naval yard the rest of the family is on a ship called the Brigadier listed under shps at sea. RG 9 4464 folio and page not given Suzannah 35 Suzannah 10 Sarah Ann 7 Samuel 5 Stephen 3 all born Sunderland >

Carole Presumably if you know this is your 4 x g grandmother, then you know the name and approximate birthdate of at least one of their children. Knowing this might make it easier to find the family on a census I've looked for Ann born Scotland, married to Samuel, but no luck so far Heather Carole Robinson wrote: > In 1841 Ann Fisher was recorded on the census of Sunderland, County Durham, England, she married there in June of the same year to Samuel Paget. Ann was recorded as being born in Scotland as was the rest of the family except the youngest aged 2 years, she was born in the County of Durham. Ann Fisher was my 4th generation greatgrandmother. > I have tried unsuccesfully to find Ann Fishers family on later census, to see if perhaps a place of birth was given rather than just Scotland. Is it possable that some of the pages are missing or i thought it might have been mistranscribed. > > This is the family on the 1841 census > Place of residence was Sunderland, Bishopwearmouth Panns > HO107 / 310 /11 > Mary Fisher 50 - born S > Elizabeth Fisher 25- born S > Ann Fisher 20 - born S > Eleanor Fisher - born S > James Fisher - born S > Bridget Fisher - born S > Mary Fisher - born In County > > Any help would be appriciated > Thankyou > Carole Robinson > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

It is the Latin for William, I suspect you are looking at early baptism registers when Latin was used in the PRs. You will no doubt find more Latin than just latinised names. Latin would have been used in the church when England was a Roman Catholic country and this why you will find Latin still in use after the reformation. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain, (where William is spelt as Guillermo) Hi ive come across this strange forename Guilielmi / GUILIELMUS .Does anyone know where is originates from ? also what other forenames derive from it. His son had the same name. sue

In case anyone is interested, there is a list of Latin Names andAbbreviations on the following site:http://freereg.rootsweb.com/howto/latinnames.htm I find this site very useful when transcribing old registers. CheersPat ===================================Mrs Pat PierpointHon. SecretaryClan Johnston/Johnstone Association (U.K.)=================================== > -----Original Message-----> From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Bette McIntosh> Sent: 19 April 2007 18:28> To: John Palmer> Cc: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Guilielmi - strange name.> > > Hello John, Sue & interested others,> > I concur with John as I have a Guilelmus (KRAUS) in my line > christened 1835 > in the Roman Catholic Church albeit in the Rhein-Pfalz, Bayern (today's > Germany). I knew this particular family to have been R.C. so no > surprises > there. So the Latin form of the name William was used in Germany > as well as > apparently in the U.K.> > Best wishes,> Bette> > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users.It has removed 2001 spam emails to date.Paying users do not have this message in their emails.Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 269.5.2/766 - Release Date: 18/04/200707:39

Many thanks to everyone who offered suggestions on the transcription of my Eleanor JAMES birth on FreeBMD a while back. I did try ordering the certificate again but have not received it as of yet. For Arthur and Isabel who both told me they have an Eleanor James who married a James Robert Thurlow-- sorry, that is not my Eleanor. Mine married Percival CLARK in 1862 and shortly thereafter went to America. That brings up another question- what were the most popular ports to emigrate from, say in the 1860s? Did many people go overland to Liverpool? Thanks again to everyone, Jennifer

Hello, I am looking for the parents of WILLIAM RAPER PAWLETT, born ca 1892 at Sowerby/Thirsk. I have him on the 1901 census aged 9, but living/staying with his married sister Annie Briggs at Sowerby. Annie is probably the daughter of James and Jane PAWLETT shown on the 1881 and 1871 census as born Thirsk. But which of Annie's siblings is the parent of William I would like to know. If anyone can help with this I would be grateful, Michael. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now.

Hi, Thanks for all the swift replies .I didnt do Latin at school ! . Whilst were on the subject. Im finding it hard to locate another person called Godfrey , i know geoffrey is a form of Godfrey.Is there any other varients of GODFREY ? Were going back to 1580 and his name is actually transcribed as "GODFRODI" . I have acopy of will from 1640 and baptisms of children and they say Godfrey. I have as yet never been able to locate a birth for Godfrey , i have old copies of books with him refered to, im wondering did his name have a varient and should i look under this? sue

Hi ive come across this strange forename Guilielmi / GUILIELMUS .Does anyone know where is originates from ? also what other forenames derive from it. His son had the same name. sue

Carol, I had a look at the image, and I thought it said something like "Loaning". Coupled with what Ruth found below, I think that's your answer as to location. I think the occupation is F.S. - i.e. Female Servant. Karen On 19/04/07, Ruth <orange.wasps@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > If you Google Knaresdale you will see a reference to "Old Maps" - this > takes > you to a link of an old map of Knaresdale where there is a plot next to > the > Rectory called Loaningside. This is probably the place in the census. > > > http://www.old-maps.co.uk/servlets/DirectMap2?easting=367800&northing=554000 > &county=10nor261 > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of car9tr@netzero.net > Sent: 19 April 2007 14:46 > To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1841 Census > > While searching for my g-g-grandmother, Sarah Vipond, I came across a > listing on an 1841 census for Knarsdale. I am having trouble > understanding > the entry. There is a list of apparently unrelated people with what > appears > to be the word "farming" for the place. The occupation is also > unclear. If > anyone has time and is able to access the census in question, could you > take > a look at the page and decipher it for me. >

If you Google Knaresdale you will see a reference to "Old Maps" - this takes you to a link of an old map of Knaresdale where there is a plot next to the Rectory called Loaningside. This is probably the place in the census. http://www.old-maps.co.uk/servlets/DirectMap2?easting=367800&northing=554000 &county=10nor261 Hope this helps Ruth -----Original Message----- From: dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:dur-nbl-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of car9tr@netzero.net Sent: 19 April 2007 14:46 To: dur-nbl@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] 1841 Census While searching for my g-g-grandmother, Sarah Vipond, I came across a listing on an 1841 census for Knarsdale. I am having trouble understanding the entry. There is a list of apparently unrelated people with what appears to be the word "farming" for the place. The occupation is also unclear. If anyone has time and is able to access the census in question, could you take a look at the page and decipher it for me. Thanks for any help you can give me. Carol Trout, Murrieta, California ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Norma, I searched in all manner of ways the 1851 census for a Margery Simpson born in Northumberland, (anywhere in NBL) but living anywhere in England but could not find one. I searched for just the surname Simpson born Earsdon and again born Seaton Delaval but nothing for the name Margery or anything that you call a variant of that name appeared for any female born in either place at any time with the surname of Simpson. So I gave up and searched the 1841 census instead. The only Margery I spotted with a father named Thomas was living at Berwick on Tweed. TheMargery shown in this household is aged 5, born C1836, her name looks as if it is spelt Margary rather than with the e near the end but that is just a small matter when it comes to census entries. She is shown to have been born in the County, i.e. NBL. Others in the family are Thomas aged35 occ. Butcher(?). Eliza aged 35 Margaret aged 7 & Richard aged 3. The only thing about this is the father's occ. as Butcher, whereas you have bookkeeper and of course where the family are living which is not the area you have either. But the family could have moved to Berwick after Margery's birth. The reference for this 1841 entry is HO107/844/1 folio49 page9 You didn't say in your message how old your Margery was at her marriage or in the census entry you have found her in, nor when she would have been born. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. >I have a birth certificate for a Florence Dow b. October 1861 at 44 Bath >Row, Westgate to a Margery Jane Dow formerly Simpson, husband William C. >Dow commercial traveler. Her father's name was Thomas Simpson and he is >shown to be a bookkeeper on Margery's marriage license. One of the census >records show Margery to come from Earsdon, Seaton Deleval. > > Margery and William married in Liverpool in 1853 but I am hoping a 1851 > Census records might show her living at home and possibly William > visiting. Does anyone have easy access to the Census records, that they > could check for me, steer me in the right direction.

While searching for my g-g-grandmother, Sarah Vipond, I came across a listing on an 1841 census for Knarsdale. I am having trouble understanding the entry. There is a list of apparently unrelated people with what appears to be the word "farming" for the place. The occupation is also unclear. If anyone has time and is able to access the census in question, could you take a look at the page and decipher it for me. Thanks for any help you can give me. Carol Trout, Murrieta, California

Hello John, Sue & interested others, I concur with John as I have a Guilelmus (KRAUS) in my line christened 1835 in the Roman Catholic Church albeit in the Rhein-Pfalz, Bayern (today's Germany). I knew this particular family to have been R.C. so no surprises there. So the Latin form of the name William was used in Germany as well as apparently in the U.K. Best wishes, Bette > I mentioned the Roman Catholic connection because I couldn't find any > trace of an ancestor in the parish records (about the turn of the 19th > century). I found him eventually in the records from a Roman Catholic > Chapel in Co Durham - I was unaware of any RC members of the family. > > Best wishes, > John

In a message dated 19/04/2007 16:06:09 GMT Daylight Time, sue.horn@ntlworld.com writes: , i know geoffrey is a form of Godfrey. ____________________________________________________________________ Geoffrey (Geoffroy) is a form of Jeffrey, from the Norman personal name Geffrey and Old French Je(u)froi. Godfrey is from a Norman personal name Godefrie. god+fred, frid = peace Variations are Godfray, Godfree, Godfer, Gotfrey. "The Oxford Names Companion" Regards Stan Mapstone