"It is very difficult to compare the value of money over time, and there is no simple answer, since money only has value in terms of what it can buy. " Hi thanks for the replies, I just want a rough idea on his measure of wealth in 1637.The family were not poor however however im trying to establish where he came from he married a "Gentlewoman" according to various documents and was refered to himself as a "Gent" in others.

Hi Sue, I looked on this site;- http://measuringworth.com/calculators/ppoweruk/ And below is what it comes up with in today's money - it only goes up to 2006. In 2006, £161 1s 10d from 1637 is worth £18,362.39 using the retail price index. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Horn To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Yeoman I have a member in my tree who died in 1640 i have a copy of the will he is described as a Yeoman.I know this as a "Well off "Farmer?. When he died in 1637 he left a will.I have a copy also it has been decifered into modern day as its so hard to understand. Basically its saying apart from all the goods Oxen , "Pigges","Sheepe " etc he left a grand total of ; £161 - 1-10 (£ S d). Does anyone know in todays money what it roughly is basically as im trying to trace him further.

Looking closer at the certificate, I think it may say 15 Thropton Terrace Dene would this be likely? Jan

I have a member in my tree who died in 1640 i have a copy of the will he is described as a Yeoman.I know this as a "Well off "Farmer?. When he died in 1637 he left a will.I have a copy also it has been decifered into modern day as its so hard to understand. Basically its saying apart from all the goods Oxen , "Pigges","Sheepe " etc he left a grand total of ; £161 - 1-10 (£ S d). Does anyone know in todays money what it roughly is basically as im trying to trace him further. There is a few families that bare the same name but one particular family are Gents & Yeoman but they are titled i am trying to connect or rule out. Any help apprecited. sue

I am looking for info on John Rowbotham born 1880 in Newbottle. In the 1901 census he was listed as a rolleyman in the coalmine. In 1908 he married either Annie Scott or Alice Taylor (BMD 10a 899). Anyone out there related? The 'family story' claims he emigrated to Australia about the time my grandad came to Canada (1926). They were brothers. Dorothy Temple Ontario

In a message dated 22/04/2007 13:08:41 GMT Daylight Time, markandjanboyes@ntlworld.com writes: And below is what it comes up with in today's money - it only goes up to 2006. In 2006, £161 1s 10d from 1637 is worth £18,362.39 using the retail price index. _________________________________________________________________ According to "How Much is that Worth" by Lionel Munby (British Association for Local History) there are no figures for individual years for the Retail Price Index before 1800, and therefore it cannot be used as a simple multiplier applied to any particular sum of money in the past. Regards Stan Mapstone

Just to show how misleading comparisons are; In the years 1626-39 a Building Craftsman earned 12 to 16 pence a DAY. http://privatewww.essex.ac.uk/~alan/family/N-Money.html At the end of 2006 the mean HOURLY pay for all employees was £11.18 http://www.statistics.gov.uk/STATBASE/ssdataset.asp?vlnk=7938 Based on an 8 hour day this would give £161 in 1637 as being approx. £90,000 now! Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi all, Does anyone know of a program that will allow a family to be tracked across the years by comparing their age, address, occupation etc. I could develop something on Excel, but a ready made program would be great...Thanks...Shaun

A Yeoman was a free tenant, usually a prominent farmer. As he worked with his hands he could not be styled a Gentleman but his status was above that of most other copyhold tenants. He was qualified to serve on juries and vote in county elections. It is very difficult to compare the value of money over time, and there is no simple answer, since money only has value in terms of what it can buy. There are a number of sites that attempt to do this comparison, i.e. http://www.ex.ac.uk/~RDavies/arian/current/howmuch.html Using the retail price index £161-1-10 (£ S d) in 1637 would be about £16,782 in 2006. http://eh.net/hmit/ Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 22/04/2007 11:59:12 GMT Daylight Time, jan@ampersoft.co.uk writes: Looking closer at the certificate, I think it may say 15 Thropton Terrace Dene would this be likely? __________________________________________ Yes, it could refer to 'Jesmond Dene' see http://www.jesmonddene.org.uk/ Regards Stan Mapstone

I have received the death cert for my Grt Grandmother who died in 1970. Place of death is difficult to read but looks like 15 Thropton ??????? Drive, it doesn't give an area but the sub district is Newcastle upon Tyne. I have searched but cannot find the full address. Any help gratefully received. regards. Jan.

To the researcher, If you looked up on the voting lists for the area would it be on there? Pat

Many thanks to all of you that responded to my query. I am now enlightened and can progess further with confidence...Regards...Shaun

There is a Thropton Avenue NE7, Thropton Terrace NE7 and Thropton Crescent NE3. See http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ Regards Stan Mapstone

Meant to add that I would be interested if (a) there are other interpretations of "son in law" and (b) whether there is a list of all family relationships referred to in the census returns? Heather The Quineys wrote: > "Son in Law" can also mean "in law, he is my son" - what we would now > call "step-son". I have several instances of this on our family tree. > > Heather > > > > > Autobyke@aol.com wrote: > >> Hello all, >> Does the term "Son in Law" on the 1851 census mean the same as we >> understand today, ie the husband of your daughter. I remember sometime hearing it >> could also have another meaning, anyone enlighten me please...Thanks...Shaun >> >> >> >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com >> >> ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

"Son in Law" can also mean "in law, he is my son" - what we would now call "step-son". I have several instances of this on our family tree. Heather Autobyke@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > Does the term "Son in Law" on the 1851 census mean the same as we > understand today, ie the husband of your daughter. I remember sometime hearing it > could also have another meaning, anyone enlighten me please...Thanks...Shaun > > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 21/04/2007 15:17:14 GMT Daylight Time, pquiney@post.com writes: b) whether there is a list of all family relationships referred to in the census returns? __________________________________________________________ Hi Heather, There is no list, and information in the 'relationship to the head' column is sometimes difficult to interpret. The headship of a household was a social position and did not necessarily reflect biological descent. For example in one household an aged widow may be described as 'head', but in another a son or daughter who has taken over the running of affairs might be designated 'head'. Also the schedule was filled in by the householder, who may have had their own interpretation of relationships. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Shaun, Nineteenth-century usages for kin relationships were sometimes different from those used today. Marriage relationships appear to cause particular problems. A brother-in-law or son-in-law could be described as a 'brother' or 'son', while a 'daughter-in-law' might mean a step-daughter, or 'son-in-law a step-son. Similarly, the offspring of married children resident in the household were sometimes called 'son' or 'daughter' rather than grandchild; referring to their parents rather than the head-grandparents. Sometimes the presence of an unmarried daughter of child-bearing age in the household will raise the suspicion that the infant 'sons' and 'daughters' of elderly parents might be illegitimate grandchildren. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello all, Does the term "Son in Law" on the 1851 census mean the same as we understand today, ie the husband of your daughter. I remember sometime hearing it could also have another meaning, anyone enlighten me please...Thanks...Shaun

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