Census 1851HO107/2403 folio 37 page 28 Whickham, Marley Hill Benjamin Robinson, Head, Mar, 66 Coal miner, Durham Lanchester Mary Robinson, Wife, Mar, 62, Durham Pensher [Penshaw] Isaac Robinson, Son, Unm, 25, Coal miner, Durham Houghton Le Spring Ann Robinson, Daur, Unm, 22, at Home, Durham Pensher Jane Robinson, Daur, Unm, 13, at Home, Durham Easington Thomas English, Lodger, unm, 28, Coal miner, Durham Whitworth Benjamin Robinson baptised 13 Nov 1786 son of Christopher Robinson. Lanchester All Saints This entry fits the age on the census. Isaac Robinson baptised 8 Oct 1826 Houghton Le Spring son of Benjamin Robinson and Mary. Ann Robinson baptised 21 Dec 1828 Penshaw All Saints daughter of Benjamin Robinson and Mary Smith. Living Shiney Row, occupation pitman. There are two others of this couple baptised in Penshaw: Joseph Robinson baptised 20 June 1827 son of Benjamin Robinson and Mary Smith of Shiney Row, Pitman George Robinson baptised 30 Sept 1832 son of Benjamin Robinson and Mary Smith of Shiney Row, Pitman Baptism of Jane Robinson in Easington St. Mary the Virgin 23 July 1837 daughter of Benjamin and Mary Marriage of Benjamin Robinson and Mary Smith in Houghton Le Spring 1 March 1823 I am not finding a good candidate for Mary Smith born/baptised Penshaw. Looking at the census you sited along with the children there it looks like Benjamin married the Mary Smith and not Mary Lee. Janis

Sarah I have a John Ray who was born in Old Felton, Northumberland in 1806. I have no idea where Shivington is, but if there is any connection with the John Ray in my line I would be happy to share the information that I have. The family eventually moved to North Shields so the likelihood of a connection is probably remote. Best wishes Geoff Fynes Sandhurst, Gloucester -----Original Message----- From: Sarah Wells [mailto:sarahwells28@hotmail.com] Sent: 29 April 2007 20:30 To: DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com Subject: [DUR-NBL] John Rea 1806 Hi all, I'm researching the Rea family of Ancaft Durham and Shivington northumberland. Does anyone have any links to this family or other info. Thanks Sarah Wells >From: dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com >To: sarahwells28@hotmail.com >Subject: Welcome to the "DUR-NBL" mailing list >Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:26:29 -0600 > >Welcome to the DUR-NBL mailing list! > > >To post a message to this list, send your email to: > > DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > >Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also >added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com > >General information about the mailing list, including links to the >list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/DUR-NBL.html > >To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send >an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" >in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > >Sincerely, > > The DUR-NBL List Administrator > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.2/780 - Release Date: 29/04/2007 06:30

Just to throw in my two-pennyworth on the subject of the various 'brands' of Christian denomination: My Father's family has a strong Methodist & Scotch Church background (my great-grandfather was a lay preacher at North Shields). His 'interpretation' was that the CofE was for the 'toffs', the Scotch Church was self-defining, the Catholic church was for 'foreigners' but Methodism was for all the working class. Of course, he was one of the Jarrow March generation, which would have coloured his views. In these days of the melting pot of social interaction and PC, it is sometimes difficult to imagine life on Tyneside solely divided between the landowners and the workers. John LOVE Great-grandson of John Scott FORREST

Thanks Stan Durham Records office have found the entry for me and are sending me a copy of the Banns notice and the entry in the parish register. Fingers crossed I will get some new information. Regards Net ----- Original Message ---- From: "Stanmapstone@aol.com" <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 25 April, 2007 6:58:58 PM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Houghton le Spring Records In a message dated 25/04/2007 18:42:27 GMT Daylight Time, net.ambler@btinternet.com writes: Paul Joiner does not have details of the church or any other family information. _______________________________________________________________ It would be the Parish Church, Houghton-le-Spring, St. Michael and All Angels. New parishes were not created from parts of this parish until 1838. See http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces You will only get the names of the parties, and either 'of this parish' or their parishes. The names of witnesses, if they were minors (under 21) or of 'full age' (over 21), and the name of the officiating priest. Regards Stan Mapstone ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As a very new Catholic this is my uptake, I'm sure there will be someone who will know for sure though... Pre Vatican 2 marrying a non Catholic was a big no-no, My grandmother was ex-communicated for it. Since Vatican 2 marriage to a non catholic can happen in a Catholic church, or if in another church the Catholic must apply to their Parish Priest to have the marriage recognised, you can even have a Priest or Deacon at the non Catholic Church to say a few words. I think a registry office marrage is still not recognised though. As a divorcee it was actually easier for me to marry my hubby in a Catholic church than an Anglican Church. Everyone received into the Catholic Church is entered into the Parish's baptism book, and I know that when I went through the RCIA programme there was a seperate book too, I'm not sure how you'd go about finding out though as the RC church seems to very difficult to obtain records from for family history. I'm after some records that are proving impossible to get hold of even with my Priests help. HTH Jan .................David Allan" <davidm.allan@ntlworld.com> wrote.... As I understand it, as a Catholic, if you marry in an Anglican church, the marriage is not recognised as such and you are effectively 'living in sin'. This is not some archaic situation... this is actually how it still works today! If such a marriage were to end with divorce, the Catholic would still be free to marry in a Catholic church, because as far as the Catholic church is concerned, they were never married in the first place! I reckon that my great grandmother must have been overflowing with guilt. <snip> What I really need to know is whether there is anywhere that holds records of people who have become converts to Roman Catholicism? Has anyone else tried to follow up similar lines of research?.............................

Hi all, I'm researching the Rea family of Ancaft Durham and Shivington northumberland. Does anyone have any links to this family or other info. Thanks Sarah Wells >From: dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com >To: sarahwells28@hotmail.com >Subject: Welcome to the "DUR-NBL" mailing list >Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:26:29 -0600 > >Welcome to the DUR-NBL mailing list! > > >To post a message to this list, send your email to: > > DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > >Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also >added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com > >General information about the mailing list, including links to the >list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/DUR-NBL.html > >To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send >an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" >in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > >Sincerely, > > The DUR-NBL List Administrator > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail, News, Sport and Entertainment from MSN on your mobile. http://www.msn.txt4content.com/

Hi all, I'm researching a Murray family who lived in Durham (going back to at least 1871) They had a shop at 15 Western Rd, Jarrow in 1897 called A&E Murray Fruiterers. It was run by Alfred James Murray b1879 and his mother Emma b1850. Does anyone have any links with the Murrays or info on this shop?? Thanks Sarah Wells >From: dur-nbl-request@rootsweb.com >To: sarahwells28@hotmail.com >Subject: Welcome to the "DUR-NBL" mailing list >Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 12:26:29 -0600 > >Welcome to the DUR-NBL mailing list! > > >To post a message to this list, send your email to: > > DUR-NBL@rootsweb.com > >Please note that all messages posted to this mailing list are also >added to the list archives on RootsWeb.com > >General information about the mailing list, including links to the >list archives, can be found at: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/DUR-NBL.html > >To unsubscribe from the list, including the list digest, please send >an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" >in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. > >Sincerely, > > The DUR-NBL List Administrator > DUR-NBL-admin@rootsweb.com _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/

I have found there was a rift in my ARMSTRONG family as a youngest son became an Anglican minister and he came from a very strong Methodist family. I have been in touch with an Anglican descendant who didn't know anything about the rest of his family as "there seems to have been a major rift in the family as my grandfather was an Anglican clergyman" and his family was never spoken of. This clerygman's oldest brother was a Methodist minister and my great grandfather. Interestingly some of my branch of the family moved from the Methodist to the Anglican church but I think that was a convenience and considered to be of higher social status where they were living at the time - in Cambridgeshire (and important to my grandmother) Here in Victoria, Canada I have found a "split" family - they are connected to my family. Father, an Anglican, is buried in a totally different cemetery. The mother is in the Catholic section of another with three of her children who were technically Catholics are buried in the non Catholic section. The mother died many years before her husband or children so maybe there was no space when the (adult) children died. They are in in the same grave, and all three were unmarried (two sisters and a brother) and lived together, so presumably had bought the plot in advance. Elizabeth Pugh Yukon, Canada

David My deepest sympathy. My mother and all her family were RC. My fathers family had strong Presbyterian roots They were prevented from marrying for I would guess 10 years before the 2nd world War. They married in 1943 in the Parish Church in Thornaby. I was born in 1944. I would guess that the families met infrequently to be polite but I have records of only one occasion. I was welcomed by both sides and was unaware of the significance of the problem until I started this research. My mother attended my fathers family events rarely but occasionally. After my fathers death in 1957 I was looked after by both sets of grandparents, each in their own way. I think my father's parents entered our house rarely, maybe twice. Conflict was never an issue to me my mother changed from RC to anglican at the same time as I was confirmed in the late 1950s. I attended an anglican junior and infants church school but an open scout troop and a secondary school that was 98% anglican / protestant. I have no real concept or understanding of the difference between the two christian religions which I regard as minor differences of the same thing and certainly not worth fighting about. I suspect that most people today would have the same view but if the conflict was Christian / Muslim then there might be some indication in that potential friction to give us a lead in to past disagreements. I hope this helps you Doug Kyle On 28 Apr 2007 at 19:11, David Allan wrote: From: "David Allan" <davidm.allan@ntlworld.com> To: "Rootsweb - Durham & Northumberland" <DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com> Date sent: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 19:11:26 +0100 Subject: [DUR-NBL] Catholics marrying non-Catholics... [ Double-click this line for list subscription options ] I'm having a problem at the moment in trying to work out the religious leanings of my great grandparents and their children on my mother's side. It appears that my great grandmother was very much of the Roman Catholic persuasion, but not only married someone who was not a Catholic, she married him in an Anglican church. As I understand it, as a Catholic, if you marry in an Anglican church, the marriage is not recognised as such and you are effectively 'living in sin'. This is not some archaic situation... this is actually how it still works today! If such a marriage were to end with divorce, the Catholic would still be free to marry in a Catholic church, because as far as the Catholic church is concerned, they were never married in the first place! I reckon that my great grandmother must have been overflowing with guilt. My great grandparents had nine children and I have discovered that the first four children were all baptised in the Anglican church. Still searching for possible baptisms of the other five. What I really need to know is whether there is anywhere that holds records of people who have become converts to Roman Catholicism? Has anyone else tried to follow up similar lines of research? I am also interested in hearing accounts of people who have come across family conflict caused by Catholics marrying non-Catholics. This Catholic/non-Catholic dilemma may be partly at the root of some unexplained family fall-outs that seem to be lurking in my own ancestral shadows. My latest research has shown that my great grandfather was baptised at the Catholic church in Tow Law three years before he died in 1914. However, when he died, he was buried in the Anglican church cemetery at Byers Green, Co Durham. His wife, my great grandmother, died some years later and was buried in the Catholic cemetery in Willington, Co Durham, in an unmarked grave at her request! Regards... David Allan. ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, DUR-NBL-L@rootsweb.com ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUR-NBL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm having a problem at the moment in trying to work out the religious leanings of my great grandparents and their children on my mother's side. It appears that my great grandmother was very much of the Roman Catholic persuasion, but not only married someone who was not a Catholic, she married him in an Anglican church. As I understand it, as a Catholic, if you marry in an Anglican church, the marriage is not recognised as such and you are effectively 'living in sin'. This is not some archaic situation... this is actually how it still works today! If such a marriage were to end with divorce, the Catholic would still be free to marry in a Catholic church, because as far as the Catholic church is concerned, they were never married in the first place! I reckon that my great grandmother must have been overflowing with guilt. My great grandparents had nine children and I have discovered that the first four children were all baptised in the Anglican church. Still searching for possible baptisms of the other five. What I really need to know is whether there is anywhere that holds records of people who have become converts to Roman Catholicism? Has anyone else tried to follow up similar lines of research? I am also interested in hearing accounts of people who have come across family conflict caused by Catholics marrying non-Catholics. This Catholic/non-Catholic dilemma may be partly at the root of some unexplained family fall-outs that seem to be lurking in my own ancestral shadows. My latest research has shown that my great grandfather was baptised at the Catholic church in Tow Law three years before he died in 1914. However, when he died, he was buried in the Anglican church cemetery at Byers Green, Co Durham. His wife, my great grandmother, died some years later and was buried in the Catholic cemetery in Willington, Co Durham, in an unmarked grave at her request! Regards... David Allan.

In a message dated 28/04/2007 21:08:30 GMT Daylight Time, doug.kyle@tiscali.co.uk writes: between the two christian religions __________________________________________________________________ Just to point out that they are two Christian Denominations. There is only one Christian Religion. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi all, Does anyone know whether there would be any remaining records for Dissenters in Hexham, Northumberland, in the mid-late 1600s? I'm trying to find the record of marriage and baptisms for some of the children of Thomas ERRINGTON and Dorcas ORD of Hexhamshire. I believe that many of the early Errington's were Catholic, but the Ords were Dissenters. I've seen an article on this particular branch of the Erringtons, where the marriage was recalled by an oral witness, but where to look for the actual record:-((. It's not recorded in Hexham St. Andrew records. Kind regards, Yvonne

I notice that if you search the IGI for Uiffins Haggerson in Co Durham there are also some hits for Euphemia Haggerson, though different years, including a middle name Kidd or Ridd. Perhaps Euphemia is the intended name, and either the transcription is wrong or the vicar/curate who wrote in the register didn't hear the name clearly. You'd need to see the original register entry to see what was actually written. Ian Thirlwell J K gen wrote: > Has anyone ever come across this as a first name? > The IGI has a number of baptisms as an extract from St Hilda South Shields > for the children of John and Uiffins Kidd HAGGERSON - a daughter is born and > baptised in 1811 Uiffins Haggerson. > > I'd greatly appreciate a source, or possible alternative. > JK >

Has anyone ever come across this as a first name? The IGI has a number of baptisms as an extract from St Hilda South Shields for the children of John and Uiffins Kidd HAGGERSON - a daughter is born and baptised in 1811 Uiffins Haggerson. I'd greatly appreciate a source, or possible alternative. JK

I usually write individuals who kindly help me with my research personally but figure that it's about time I give a broad thank-you publicly to Janis, Phyll,Paul and Trish and Don. You've helped pull out a brick or two in the family wall. Dorothy Temple

Chester Le Street St. Mary and St. Cuthbert baptism: John Galley baptised 7 March 1819 son of John and Elizabeth Galley. Marriage at Chester Le Street John Galley and Elizabeth Watson 30 March 1816 Janis

From the Penshaw parish record: Isabella Barras baptised 13 Dec 1818 daughter of Andrew Barras, New Lambton, Pitman, and Mary Barras. The curate of Penshaw wrote in the mother's maiden name on all the entries and it was Barras on this entry. Mary Galley born 29 July 1845 baptised 5 Oct 1845, of ?Pit [could be a F, T or a Y,but not D Pit] , d/o John Galley, pitman, and Isabel Barrass. John Galley born 5 July 1849 baptised 2 Sept 1849, of New Lambton, s/o John Galley, pitman, and Isabella Barrass. Janis

Seaton Delaval falls in the Earsdon parish area. There is a baptism of a Margery Simpson 15 Feb 1824 daughter of Thomas and Jane Simpson. There is a marriage in Earsdon of a Thomas Simpson and Jane Armitage 11 Dec 1818. Janis

Hi List, Thank you to all who kindly offered their services. I took up Linda's very kind offer. In my haste I forgot to mention I was looking for Maria ASHMORE age 42, departed London 1912, for Sydney (as it turned out it was Brisbane). Obviously the family eventually made their way to Sydney though! Another BIG thank you to all. And don't forget, if anyone needs lookups for 1881 UK Census or Rookwood Cemetery Inscriptions (Sydney NSW), just ask... I'm only too happy to pass the favour on. Libby Hastings Central West, NSW, Australia http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~libby/ ENGLAND Essex - ALGAR, KETLEY Durham - ASHMORE, TODD, WALKER Kent - CHEESEMAN Worc/Staff - BRADLEY also WILBY SCOTLAND Perth, Renfrew, Stirling - BRAND also GRAY, MICKLEJOHN, CRAWFORD, CHRISTIE Seize the moment. Remember all those women on the Titanic who waved off the dessert trolley -- Erma Bombeck A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...BUT a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" If you think you're having a bad day, think how much worse it would be if you missed it. NURTURE YOUR MIND WITH GREAT THOUGHTS, FOR YOU WILL NEVER GO ANY HIGHER THAN YOU THINK. "Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, chocolate in one hand, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!" ---- ORIGINAL MESSAGE----- > Hi List, > > I know there are a lot of big hearted people out there and I'm hoping I > might be able to find one. I have a big favour to ask. > I knew my grandparents left Durham and came out to Australia around 1912 > and I have now been able to confirm this on "Find My Past" > http://www.findmypast.com/passengerListPersonSearchStart.action > It costs 5 units unless you have purchased a subscription. The only > trouble is the minimum 60 units costs ?6.95 and a Voyager Subscription > costs ?15. > All I want to know is the name of the ship they came out on, which is > equivalent to about 58p and I can't justify spending ?6.95 for 1 search. > So...... I would be really grateful if someone who has units or a > subscription, could check the transcript for me. :-) > > many, many thanks in advance > > Libby Central West NSW > > If it's any help to any one, I have the 1881 Census and the Rookwood > Cemetery CD (Sydney NSW). > >

After receiving help from many of you listers I have hit a wall, and could use some advice on which direction I might go in my research. My problem is with the surname of my ancestor. I have traced my 2-great grandmother Elizabeth BURDIS back as far as her marriage in 1833. She was married 20 Apr 1833 at Dalton le Dale to George Pigg. The marriage record however lists her name as Elizabeth FELTON not Burdis. It was the second marriage for George who was married prior to Margaret Hay at Houghton-le-Spring in 1826. Margaret d. 1828 at Houghton. I sent for and received birth records of two of George and Elizabeth's two children, and the mother is listed as Elizabeth FELTON on both records. This family immigrated to the U.S. in 1848 and had no additional children. I have three Co. Durham records all listing Elizabeth's surname as FELTON, and four U.S. records where she lists her surname as BURDIS. She has listed her birth date as 15 Jun 1810 at Haswell, but I can find no records of her birth or her parent's names. I've come to the conclusion the Elizabeth may have had a previous marriage, although no record can be found, or that she was born out of wedlock. Do any of you have any of you have suggestions on where I might write to seek information on the second scenario? I have already checked available marriage records, but found nothing for that time period. Thanks in advance, John O'Keefe