She would have married for the second time under the surname of her first husband, ie. INDIAN. The marriage certificate would usually list her as "formerly Hardy". You do not say when or where she was approximately born. Diane > Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 07:24:00 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUR-NBL] second marriage--what name would the woman use? > > > Ann HARDY married William INDIAN 23 Nov 1837 in Alston, Cumberland, England. William died 04 Dec 1871 in a mining accident in Auckland, Durham, England. Ann appears in the 1881 census with William FOSTER and her son Jacob INDIAN, but after that, I cannot find her. In searching for a marriage record, I've found an entry in FreeBMD in Jun 1874 for William FORSTER to Ann INDIAN. Would Ann have used the name from her first marriage when marrying a second time? My goal is to learn her mother's name; her father was Thomas HARDY (there are two born with months of each other in the same place), her mother's name is unknown, and I cannot find a death for her as so many turn up in FreeBMD. Thanks for any help! > > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > [email protected] > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

Hello fellow Listers. For some years now I have been trying to climb over a barrier regarding my 3 x g. grandparents, Alexander Robertson and his wife Mary Samson. To this date I have discovered neither a birth date nor a death date for Alexander Robertson who married Mary Samson at Jarrow on 26 June 1791. His wife Mary Robertson, nee Samson (1769-1844), was baptised at Alnwick on 30 Jul 1769. She was the youngest and 12th child in the issue of William & Mary Samson (Mary Samson nee Glayhome). Mary's death was registered at South Shields in the quarter ended June 1844. Her three son's were all baptised in the Chapelry of St Hilda, as were many of the later generations of this family including my maternal grandfather, J.W.L. Robertson. Resulting from the close association with that Chapelry I assumed that Mary and Alexander Robertson would have been buried in St Hilda's churchyard. A search of St Hilda's burial records has now failed to reveal any trace of this couple being buried at St Hilda's. My first thought was to obtain a death certificate for the widow, Mary Robertson, However, before proceeding I would like to know what detail would appear in a death certificate issued in 1844? Alternatively are there indexes which may give a lead to the burial place of these two people? From an earlier visit to What was once called South Shields Library I witnessed a large amount of indexing of these early families. Does this source still remain and could any kind person assist me in this search. The 1841 census reveals that Mary Robertson, aged 70, was living with her youngest son Thomas Robertson (1795-1872). Their residence was at 3 West Pan St South Shields. Thomas was a Shipwright and Marine Store Dealer. Thanking you for any assistance that the Listers may be able to offer Kind regards Alan Bird Brisbane Qld. Aus.

I occassionally use the French equivalent. Hope it is of some use http://www.espanol-ingles.com.mx/translate/ Dot

Greetings All: I found my great-grandparents, Samuel & Elizabeth Howard Brown, in the 1891 Census living in Newcastle Upon Tyne, having moved there from Great Yarmouth where they were in the 1881 Census. Their children listed in 1891 were John Henry (23), Samuel Robert (18), Elizabeth H. (16), Alice E (14), Abraham James (7), May S. (5), Edith H.(3), and Malo(?) J. (9 mos.). I know that John Henry (my grandfather) came to the US prior to 1893 and married my grandmother in Philadelphia before returning to England. They were in the 1901 Census in Thornton, Yorkshire along with my father and his sister. I have not been able to trace any of the others (Samuel, Elizabeth and children) in subsequent censuses or anywhere else for that matter. Samuel was born in Halvergate, Norfolk, (incorrectly transcribed as Harrogate, Yorkshire in the 1891 Census) in 1836 and Elizabeth in Wickhampton, Norfolk, 1845. I would appreciate any help in finding these folks. Thanks, Theodore (Tod) Brown Maine, USA

My line goes back to yeoman farmers in North Durham, along the borders, coincidently with the name YEOMAN. I have no real knowledge of the C18th goings-on in the area but they were devout non-conformists and attended church in Berwick, so must have travelled extensively in their social circle. If you are interested, I suggest that you start reading Thomas Hardy's novels which, although based in Dorset, give a fantastic picture of rural life in the C19th; surely not too different from the preceding years. From these, you will see the ritual of the hiring fairs and quarter day celebrations that were the country calendar. They had a lot more opportunities than we imagine and walking 6 "country miles" was a common occurrence. You can spot the calendar from the marriages, often on or around the quarter days. I live close to Weyhill Fair, which Hardy references as "Waydon" in The Mayor of Casterbridge. It was the oldest hiring fair in the country and many of the buildings are still there. John LOVE > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 17:26:22 -0000 > From: "Russ Hogg" <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUR-NBL] Rothbury 1740 to 1800 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello, > > I've been researching my HOGG ancestry recently, and my question is more historical > than genealogical, but I think that it falls within the guidelines for the list. > > This part of the HOGG family, and related families, lived in the Rothbury, Longframlington, > and Netherwitton areas in 1740 to 1800. They were mentioned in parish records as living at > Hope, Woodhead, Ritton White House, Hazon High House and other places. These appear to > be farms, and are remote from other settlements. > > I would imagine that farming in such a period would be a laborious, dawn-to-dusk business, > so there would not be much time available for socialising. > > All of the settlements are reasonably distant from one another, perhaps 3 to 6 miles, so how > did prospective partners meet? Once a week at market? How did they manage to visit each > other? My thinking is that an ordinary farm worker would not have been able to afford a horse, > but could they have borrowed a farm horse? > > Could marriages have been arranged, or semi-arranged, by parents? > > Regards, > > Russ Hogg > >

Ann was born about 1822 in Kirkoswald, Cumberland, England. She was married in Alston, Cumberland, England, and she may be found in the 1841, 1851, and 1861 in that same county. It is not until 1871 that I can place her in County Durham. In looking up William FOSTER/FORSTER, he seems to be much younger, and I cannot find them together after 1881. Thank you for the answer to my marriage name question; that his a big help! --- On Tue, 3/3/09, Diane Ainsley <[email protected]> wrote: > She would have married for the second time under the surname > of her first husband, ie. INDIAN. The marriage certificate > would usually list her as "formerly Hardy". > > You do not say when or where she was approximately born. > > > From: [email protected] > > > > Ann HARDY married William INDIAN 23 Nov 1837 in > Alston, Cumberland, England. William died 04 Dec 1871 in a > mining accident in Auckland, Durham, England. Ann appears in > the 1881 census with William FOSTER and her son Jacob > INDIAN, but after that, I cannot find her. In searching for > a marriage record, I've found an entry in FreeBMD in Jun > 1874 for William FORSTER to Ann INDIAN. Would Ann have used > the name from her first marriage when marrying a second > time? My goal is to learn her mother's name; her father > was Thomas HARDY (there are two born with months of each > other in the same place), her mother's name is unknown, > and I cannot find a death for her as so many turn up in > FreeBMD. Thanks for any help!

Ann HARDY married William INDIAN 23 Nov 1837 in Alston, Cumberland, England. William died 04 Dec 1871 in a mining accident in Auckland, Durham, England. Ann appears in the 1881 census with William FOSTER and her son Jacob INDIAN, but after that, I cannot find her. In searching for a marriage record, I've found an entry in FreeBMD in Jun 1874 for William FORSTER to Ann INDIAN. Would Ann have used the name from her first marriage when marrying a second time? My goal is to learn her mother's name; her father was Thomas HARDY (there are two born with months of each other in the same place), her mother's name is unknown, and I cannot find a death for her as so many turn up in FreeBMD. Thanks for any help!

A message was posted n the last couple of days re Hogg - but I can't find it! If it is relevant to the person posting the message I have a John Hogg, 2 of whose daughters married 2 Arkle brothers. Margaret H (b abt 1824) married William Arkle at All Saints Newcastle on 10 Nov 1846 and Jane H (b abt 1829) married Matthew Arkle in Sunderland on 10 Aug 1849. John

Sorry Ann, I should have said if you want to send me a scan of the letter but, of course, blank out your account details in someway, I will have a go at translating it. regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> This in not a genealogy problem. but I know how helpful everyone is. I have > received a bank letter written in Spanish. I have tried to phone them but > only get spanish directions(of course!) I do not need a complete > translation > but just need to know if they are asking me to get in touch because > something is wrong. I know some basic get around kind of spanish but this > is > too much for a very old brain to get around. Can anyone help or give me > some > advice. thank you. Ann Young>> > >

Hi ann, If you want to send me a scan of the letter I will have a go for you. Obviously this will be off list so reply to me personally. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. >>> This in not a genealogy problem. but I know how helpful everyone is. I >>> have > received a bank letter written in Spanish. I have tried to phone them but > only get spanish directions(of course!) I do not need a complete > translation > but just need to know if they are asking me to get in touch because > something is wrong. I know some basic get around kind of spanish but this > is > too much for a very old brain to get around. Can anyone help or give me > some > advice. thank you. Ann Young<<

Hi Alison Have you looked for a will for Julia? If there is one (and unmarried ladies usually left quite detailed wills) it may say something of its whereabouts Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Dear all, > > Alexander Ogilvie DIXSON, my 3x great-grandfather, was at various times > Collector of Customs for Newcastle and Stockton and died in May 1861. > He is buried at Jesmond (I have a photo of his gravestone). > > In his will of July 1850 he left to his daughter Julia, among other > things, a portrait of himself, stating that "after the decease or > marriage of my said daughter which shall first happen, then upon trust > to sell the same (that is all the other bits he had left her) except the > portrait of myself...". > > Julia died unmarried at Headington, Bucks, in 1884, and her only > surviving family of nieces and nephews were still living in Newcastle. >

Hello List, Thanks to Ian and Margaret I have found a new line. Barbara Kenaby/ Kennaby/Kennady was b. abt. 1775 Gateshead Fell or Lamesley. In 1841 she is with Andrew Kenaby b. abt 1771 in county (NBL) who is apparently not her husband as Barbara is single -- not widowed -- in 1851 and 1861 when she is with her niece Margaret Carter. Barbara d. Mar qtr 1862 in Newcastle T reg dist. and Margaret promptly married the next door neighbor Thomas Egdell. Both Andrew and Barbara are Ind. in 1841. Andrew d. March qtr 1846 in Newcastle Tyne reg. dist. Kennaby is an unfamiliar surname for me. Is it a variant of another surname? Barbara and Andrew are the only 2 deaths in DUR/NBL by that name on FreeBMD for the period 1837-1865. Where could I look for the baptism records for them? There's a possible Andrew ch. of Andrew in 1772 in Lamesley but the Andrew I'm looking for was born NBL? Thank you, Carol Bradford

Hello, I've been researching my HOGG ancestry recently, and my question is more historical than genealogical, but I think that it falls within the guidelines for the list. This part of the HOGG family, and related families, lived in the Rothbury, Longframlington, and Netherwitton areas in 1740 to 1800. They were mentioned in parish records as living at Hope, Woodhead, Ritton White House, Hazon High House and other places. These appear to be farms, and are remote from other settlements. I would imagine that farming in such a period would be a laborious, dawn-to-dusk business, so there would not be much time available for socialising. All of the settlements are reasonably distant from one another, perhaps 3 to 6 miles, so how did prospective partners meet? Once a week at market? How did they manage to visit each other? My thinking is that an ordinary farm worker would not have been able to afford a horse, but could they have borrowed a farm horse? Could marriages have been arranged, or semi-arranged, by parents? Regards, Russ Hogg

Dear all, Alexander Ogilvie DIXSON, my 3x great-grandfather, was at various times Collector of Customs for Newcastle and Stockton and died in May 1861. He is buried at Jesmond (I have a photo of his gravestone). In his will of July 1850 he left to his daughter Julia, among other things, a portrait of himself, stating that "after the decease or marriage of my said daughter which shall first happen, then upon trust to sell the same (that is all the other bits he had left her) except the portrait of myself...". Julia died unmarried at Headington, Bucks, in 1884, and her only surviving family of nieces and nephews were still living in Newcastle. These nieces and nephews were the children of Julia's sister Jane Angellica, wife of the solicitor Henry STORY of Newcastle. I had wondered whether perhaps after Julia's death the painting was returned to the family in Newcastle or perhaps made its way back to the Customs House in Newcastle or Stockton, or to some other location in the Newcastle area. If anyone knows anything about the painting, I'd be keen to hear of it - I'd like to get a photo if at all possible. With thanks Alison :-) Sydney Australia reposting to list as it hasn't appeared in my inbox although is in the Rootsweb archives

Trying to help a colleague from work with her ancestry, so any help, pointers or advice would be very much appreciated. Anyone come across a John George GARTHWAITE? I understand he was born in Bolton (don't have a date as yet), although he was married in Sunderland, Co Durham to Emily LORD on 14 April 1888 at Christ Church, Bishopwearmouth. Emily's father was George LORD b1829 Sunderland. His occupation was a shipbroker and accountant. At the time of her marriage, she was living at Willow Brook Villa, Bishopwearmouth (Sunderland). Anyone heard of Willow Brook Villa? I know there is a Willow Brook Road in Ashbrooke, Sunderland (it's next to St Aidan's RC School). As we've just started out of this line of research, thought we'd check first to see if anyone has any LORD or GARTHWAITE connections (with or without and 'e' on the end!). Kind regards... David Allan (Sunderland).

In a message dated 02/03/2009 19:28:28 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: >From FreeBMD Births Registered Jun ¼ 1864 John George GARTHWAITE Durham 10a 293 _____________________________________________________________ That may not be him, looking at later censuses, as he appeaser as unmarried in 1891. Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 02/03/2009 17:11:05 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Anyone come across a John George GARTHWAITE? I understand he was born in Bolton ______________________________________________________________ >From FreeBMD Births Registered Jun ¼ 1864 John George GARTHWAITE Durham 10a 293 Stan Mapstone

>From the 1881 Census Dwelling: Willow Brook Villa Census Place: Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England RG11 Piece 4994 Folio 49 Page 91 George LORD M 52 Sunderland, Durham, England Head Occ: Shipbroker & Accountant Eliza J. LORD M 48 F Whitby, York, England Wife Emily LORD U 26 F Sunderland, Durham, England Daur Stan Mapstone

Willow Brook Villa is still there. Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and enter the post code SR27TT in search. Stan Mapstone

"Just to let you know that we have now scanned all English counties and have started on Wales. We anticipate that the East and North Ridings of Yorkshire, and Durham will be available by the end of March." http://blog.1911census.co.uk/tag/durham/ Stan Mapstone