A hand putter pushed the coal tubs from the working face to the main haulage road along which it was taken to the shaft. A pony putter used a pony to haul the tubs to the main haulage road. Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 18/03/2009 08:00:01 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The 'endless pony' lads or 'endless lads' had to hook the tubs of coal Thanks for that, Boris. Despite dozens of mining relatives, I'd never seen that one before. Adrian

Hello Looking for the surname Parkin living in Bishop Auckland around 1903-1930 Living with my g grandmother is a Lena Parkin grand daughter 6 years of age .I am hoping her mother is Elizabeth Butler but having look at the Freebdm there is marriage in Jan quarter 1907 for Elizabeth but no father with the surname PARKIN. Jeff

Durham has been posted

Has anyone heard of Sadburgh, Sadbury or Sudbury in County Durham? I have a Mary Barker in 1841 and later censuses born there around 1810, but this does not seem to be a current placename in Co Durham. Her husband was born in Houghton le Skerne. Thanks Judith Australia

Hi Ian What is the source of your information about Robert? That may give us some clues. If you get a birth certificate for one of Robert Anderson's children born after July 1837, this will give you the maiden name of the mother, which will help you locate the marriage. This is important given that the names concerned are relatively common. If the marriage took place after July 1837 the marriage entry or certificate will give you the names of the fathers of the groom and bride. If it took place earlier, you will get less information. One possibility is the following entry on the IGI www.familysearch.org Robert Anderson baptised 13 MAR 1816 St Hilda, South Shields, Durham, England Father: Robert Anderson Mother: Jane (Extracted entry) If you look on http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html and click on the map and follow the links you should be able to see the Bishops' Transcripts (BT) of the baptism noted above. The BTs have not been indexed so don't use the search function that comes up - you should be viewing images of the handwritten BTs. There were plenty of non-conformist churches in SOuth Shields, however, so there may be other options in their registers. If the Robert above turns out to be your family, look for siblings, and if there are any born between 1798 - 1812 these entries will be particularly informative. Good luck, Ingrid On 17/03/2009, at 2:12 PM, Ian Hepple wrote: > I'm trying to find details of the parents of Robert ANDERSON, born > in South > Shields about 1816. > > He later married 'Isabella' and they lived in Newcastle, where he > worked as > a builder. > > That's all I know, I'm afraid. Can anyone point me in the direction > of where > to research his parentage?

Now that 1911 Census is available to view, we can all start puzzling about what's on it. My great-uncle William Wilson Downing, age 16, was living with his father in Horden and his occupation was given by his father as "Coal Miner Endless Boy". Was that a specific type of mining job or a comment by his father on his immaturity? Adrian

Hi Margaret Sadly there is no easy way for anyone to check this marriage, especially if you do not know which church they married in. The most practicable option will be to buy the certificate. The Darlington Register Office on-line index http://www.darlington.gov.uk/Living/Register+Office/RegOfficeSearch.htm produces this result: MOORE John DCE6/2 72 1856 spouse WALKER Fanny Is this the entry you are interested in? Unfortunately they say " Overseas Applications: Payment must be in pounds sterling, and to be drawn from a London based bank account." It will therefore be easier to use the FreeBMD reference you found: Marriages Sep 1856 Moore John Darlington volume 10a page 15 to order the certificate from the national General Register Office from this site, where you can pay by credit card on-line: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ It costs 7.50 pounds including postage. To see what information is on the various BMD certificates, click on the "Info" tab on FreeBMD. It may give his actual age (or the age he told them), but at that date they sometimes just put 'full age" i.e. 21 or over. It will give his occupation & his father's name and occupation. There is a small chance you could find the marriage in the on-line Bishops' Transcripts (BTs) - see here http://search.labs.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html?datestamp=1204246582134#start You need to click on the map and follow the links. The BTs have not been indexed so the search function that comes up will not help you. All the best with your research. Ingrid > > > > Would SKS please do a check on the 1856 Marriage of a John Moore, in > the > Darlington area? According to the Free BMD site, this is > > A marriage for a John Moore in the quarter ending Sept 1856. > > > > I'm wondering if this is "my" John Moore. I hoping it has his birth > year > and his occupation, and also a father's name. > > > > Any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Thank you ever so much, in advance, for your time and trouble. > > > > Yours truly, > > > > Margaret Taylor > > Alberta, Canada > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > [email protected] > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi again Nora Re the marriages you mentioned pre civil registration Using your names I found on the IGI NICHOLAS DAWSON Spouse: JANE RICHARDSON Family Marriage: 31 JUL 1826 Saint Nicholas, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England M004352 1813 - 1837 0847911 Film 6905742 Film And WILLIAM AVERY Death: 07 MAR 1882 Spouse: ELIZABETH MC MULLEN Family Marriage: 31 OCT 1825 Of, , Northumberland, England Messages: Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter. The first shows as an extraction from the Parish Register so should be reasonably sound (but requires checking with the original) the second you will see is a Patron submission which *may* be based on fact but *may* be just passed down information or in some cases calculated from the age of the couple or one of their children, either way it needs very careful checking before accepting as fact I tend to have more faith with a date than I do when I see "about" so it looks more promising but you will need to find the Parish I am not sure how much you know of the workings of the IGI so won't go on but you will find an assortment of children to those marriages on there , if you don't know how just ask Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Since her parents, Margaret Dawson b 1829 and William Avery b 1826 both born in Longbenton (I believe), were born before national registration 1837, would there be birth certificates for them? I think I have seen a transcription of records from St. Bartholomew listing parents of Margaret Dawson as Nicholas Dawson and Jane Richardson, and parents of William Avery as William Avery and Elizabeth McMellon. But I have no bmd information on these four parents. Actually I don't think I have a marriage date for Margaret and William, either. Any help or direction in this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for helping a fellow researcher across the pond. Nora Avery Gainesville, Florida USA

Hi Nora Before mid 1837 when Civil Registration started in England & Wales there are no birth certificates, before that you would need Baptisms found in the Parish Registers The LDS are making their records available online, thankfully the first available are the BTs for Durham, Northumberland and a few in Yorkshire and Cumberland For Tynemouth they are available up to 1847 but may help you (and without leaving your chair which is nice :-) See http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#start Click on the map of Europe and select :- England, Diocese of Durham Bishop's Transcripts ca 1700-1900 They are not indexed and you need to go through page by page, you can usually get somewhere near the year you want by calculating where the year sought falls in the range of pages Also good to do as you often find connected names while trawling through Re your marriage From http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Marriages Jun 1849 Avery William Tynemouth 25 475 Dawson Margaret Tynemouth 25 475 If you look it up yourself, click on the blue Tynemouth, this will take you to a page showing the areas covered by the Registration District of Tynemouth, your people could be born in any of them but Longbenton falls under Tynemouth District , the only way of finding out is order the birth certificate The marriage cert will show their respective fathers and occupations (if recorded) which should help take you further back Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Nivard, John, Stan, and the rest, Thank you for your direction. Her name was Jane Ann AVERY and I did find her on the FreeBMD site, leading to the reference number (XXV 462 Tynemouth) which I used to order a birth certificate. I like your country-wide standardized system of ordering BMD certificates. If she is registered in Tynemouth does that mean she was born in Longbenton or New Hartley? Or can one tell from that?

Thanks Jeff and Stan for letting us know. Will now go off and have a look at it! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Butler To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:25 AM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [DUR-NBL] 1911 CENSUS Durham has been posted

Nivard, John, Stan, and the rest, Thank you for your direction. Her name was Jane Ann AVERY and I did find her on the FreeBMD site, leading to the reference number (XXV 462 Tynemouth) which I used to order a birth certificate. I like your country-wide standardized system of ordering BMD certificates. If she is registered in Tynemouth does that mean she was born in Longbenton or New Hartley? Or can one tell from that? Since her parents, Margaret Dawson b 1829 and William Avery b 1826 both born in Longbenton (I believe), were born before national registration 1837, would there be birth certificates for them? I think I have seen a transcription of records from St. Bartholomew listing parents of Margaret Dawson as Nicholas Dawson and Jane Richardson, and parents of William Avery as William Avery and Elizabeth McMellon. But I have no bmd information on these four parents. Actually I don't think I have a marriage date for Margaret and William, either. Any help or direction in this would be greatly appreciated. Thank you all for helping a fellow researcher across the pond. Nora Avery Gainesville, Florida USA On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Our Mail <[email protected]> wrote: > Nora, if you know her name search the FreeBMD website. That will give you > the GRO (General Register Office) reference number and you can then order > the certificate from them using a credit card. The web sites are:- > http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ > http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/#0 > > John > > > Nora Avery wrote: >> >> I'm trying to figure out how to order a birth certificate for my gg >> aunt who was born in the Village of New Hartley (mining village) >> around September 1850. It will establish a link between me and my >> great grandparents, William Avery and Margaret Dawson of Longbenton, >> NBL, UK. Thanks. >> >> Nora Avery >> Florida >> USA >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> To Post a message to this list send it to, >> [email protected] >>  ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== >> List Web Page >> http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Thanks Adi Seems odd that it was a reduction of 7.5% initially that went to a loss of 10%. It did hurt. Did you have on line access to the paper? Take care Bill B Thanks again

Durham is now available. Stan Mapstone

The 'Place Names Index' can help you to determine which Church of England parish a County Durham place/settlement was situated in, at any given date. http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 17/03/2009 09:13:29 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Has anyone heard of Sadburgh, Sadbury or Sudbury in County Durham? _____________________________________________________________ Probably Sadberge Stan Mapstone

Hi, I'm trying to find details of the parents of Robert ANDERSON, born in South Shields about 1816. He later married 'Isabella' and they lived in Newcastle, where he worked as a builder. That's all I know, I'm afraid. Can anyone point me in the direction of where to research his parentage? Many thanks in advance, Ian

Hi everyone Help needed on this one please In a letter dated "April 1892" a relative writes " I hope you are taking no hurt with the strike". The letter was to s.one that was a miner in Weavers Row Eighton Banks. Any idea why the strike started & how long it went on for would be much appreciated.I presume it was for the whole of Durham coal field... Thanks Bill B

Dear Fellow Listers, Would SKS please do a check on the 1856 Marriage of a John Moore, in the Darlington area? According to the Free BMD site, this is A marriage for a John Moore in the quarter ending Sept 1856. I'm wondering if this is "my" John Moore. I hoping it has his birth year and his occupation, and also a father's name. Any and all assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you ever so much, in advance, for your time and trouble. Yours truly, Margaret Taylor Alberta, Canada

Hi Nora You missed off the vital part , her name If we can find her name in the index of either the GRO or local registrar you can order the certificate quite easily Tell us the details and we will see what can be found Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > I'm trying to figure out how to order a birth certificate for my gg > aunt who was born in the Village of New Hartley (mining village) > around September 1850. It will establish a link between me and my > great grandparents, William Avery and Margaret Dawson of Longbenton, > NBL, UK. Thanks. > > Nora Avery > Florida > USA