Dear Listers, I too am having some problems locating people in Sunderland. I've had 2 easy hits but am as certain as I can be that others who should be there aren't showing. In desperation I've clicked on a few unlikelys and they were just that. Of course they may all have gone on holiday together but I think it unlikely. Will just have to wait till other counties appear.My names are pretty simple so unlikely to be miss-spelt but I've tried obvious alternatives. Still I may be in for exciting surprises! Best wishes, Mary

Hi GOW :-) When you say they were found but not there, not sure I understand you ? Let us know the details and we can take a look for you You do have to be exact in the search terms, perhaps you have a letter out? Not a fan of sites that restrict details to make us pay more, almost fraud in my book Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone tell me why the find my past website states that Durham is now available when in fact a lot of it is not. I know I have ancestors living in Gateshead, Sunderland & Durham City at that time but it keeps coming up no results found. I did the quick search for my grandparents in Ryton on the 1911 site. It said they were both there in Ryton. So I paid my £6.50 and did the extended search. That said they are NOT there..... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Their names were unusual so I wasn't looking at someone else on the initial search. Grumpy Old Woman aka Gen in NBL

Hi John Northumberland has not been made available as yet and for reasons unknown Gatehead although not in NBL falls under it for 1911 enumeration purposes This happens more frequently than you would think The way to check is go to the National Archives, select the Catalogue Enter the place of interest and the census year reference, so in this case Gatehead in the first box and RG14 in the bottom box When it gives you a list of the various enumerated sections, click on details, where you will find the County it falls under noted In this case :- RG Records of the General Register Office, Government Social Survey Department, and Office of Population Censuses and Surveys RG 14 General Register Office: 1911 Census Schedules Subseries within RG 14 Northumberland Top of pagetop of page Record Summary Title Gateshead Legal status Public Record(s) Language English Former reference (Department) Former reference (PRO) Creator names Covering dates 1911 This is not a constant and you will find some places near County boundaries fluctuate by the census year Middlesbrough is one example They say about a month I think for NBL to be released Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone tell me why the find my past website states that Durham is now > available when in fact a lot of it is not. I know I have ancestors living > in Gateshead, Sunderland & Durham City at that time but it keeps coming up > no results found. > Cheers, John

> Can anyone tell me why the find my past website states that Durham is now available when in fact a lot of it is not. I know I have ancestors living in Gateshead, Sunderland & Durham City at that time but it keeps coming up no results found. I did the quick search for my grandparents in Ryton on the 1911 site. It said they were both there in Ryton. So I paid my £6.50 and did the extended search. That said they are NOT there..... grrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Their names were unusual so I wasn't looking at someone else on the initial search. Grumpy Old Woman aka Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ 25GB of FREE Online Storage – Find out more http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665320/direct/01/

Hey , keep looking. I thought my grandfather Alexander Faill Moralee wasn't there but eventually found him transcribed as Alexandra F Morales.... I have written and told them of the error and said that there seem to be a lot of Morales entries there that may very well be Moralee.. It's a shame that they don't get local transcribers/researchers to do the job as we often know the local names. The 1901 variations on the name Moralee were awful too. We were definitely not Spanish !!! The site said that they would reply to my comments within 2 days so I'll let you know what they say and how long it takes them. We should expect a good service at £3 a go.. John _________________________________________________________________ Free photo editing software from Windows Live . Try it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665240/direct/01/

In a message dated 18/03/2009 18:23:15 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I tried to link from the menu item "Workers" which supposedly goes to an employee index, ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Ian, I have no problem, the page is http://www.dmm2.org.uk/employee/index.htm Stan Mapstone

Can anyone tell me why the find my past website states that Durham is now available when in fact a lot of it is not. I know I have ancestors living in Gateshead, Sunderland & Durham City at that time but it keeps coming up no results found. Cheers, John E-mail message checked by Internet Security (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.11990 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

In a message dated 18/03/2009 15:36:41 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I know I have ancestors living in Gateshead, Sunderland & Durham City at that time but it keeps coming up no results found. ______________________________________________________________ Have you tried advanced search? You have the option to select Exact name Variants of name Names starting with Wildcard name Stan Mapstone

John, For some reason Gateshead is not listed, it could be that it is linked to Newcastle and will therefore be in Northumberland. You could email the site and find out why. Stan Mapstone

Dear Listers, Recent topics on miners' strikes reminded me of a very interesting article I read some years ago, but have subsequently failed to trace. It dealt with miners who had signed on for a fixed period, but hearing of opportunities in Australia, had deserted in big numbers. The mine owners including(or maybe primarily) the Marquis of Londonderry got warrants for their arrest and return. Some were dragged back, others escaped and some boat owners/captains refused to cooperate. I don't know if this rings a bell with anyone but I would love to be able to find this article again. I've never fathomed where I found it or how I mislaid it, but it made fascinationg reading. Best wishes, Mary

In a message dated 18/03/2009 13:08:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Also, this relative is listed as 15 years old. I am wondering what the child labor laws were in 1911 and a few years back. I would like to know how long he could have been working at this employment. ______________________________________________________________ 1893 Act Minimum leaving age raised to 11 1899 Act Minimum leaving age raised to 12 1901 Act No employment under fourteen without a certificate A child thirteen years of age may be employed full time if he/she had a certificate of proficiency in reading, writing and arithmetic, or of "previous due attendance at a certified efficient school" 1918 Act Full-time education compulsory from 5 – 14 years. Abolished half-time schooling and exemptions such as early leaving in agricultural districts which the earlier system allowed. A pony driver drove the horse or pony used for hauling tubs in a coal mine. Stan Mapstone

The mines used an "endless Rope" ie rope loop to haul the wagons of coal out of the mine and back again; while they were being filled they had to unhooked from the endless rope . An "endless boy" possibly had a role in this

Hi,  Here is a link to th Durham Mining Museum's list of occupations may help! http://www.dmm.org.uk/educate/mineocc.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ---- From: Shirley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009 8:02:46 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Mining putter Hi folks, Joy and jubilation! Durham and Nth Yorkshire are released. My father was easily found on the 1911 census, aged 21 and living in the house in Ferryhill I have actually seen on two UK visits, with his uncle and aunt. No surprises there. I had wondered who had filled in the census form, seeing his uncle was not the greatest at reading and writing. Well, it was Dad himself. Therefore hs name correct, not Thomas or Tomas, as earlier ennumerators had written. Like his uncle, and later a nephew and great nephew, he is just Tom. However the occupation is my query - I did not ask enough questions. Can someone explain what a hand putter does. His uncle is a hewer. I will follow through with further queries as I collate the info. Shirley Thomson New Plymouth New Zealand Researching: SIMPSON, WRIGHT, CLARKE (Bedale, Yks), RAW, BEAN (Bradford & Swaledale, Yks), FLOWER, HARRISON, LAMBERT, SCORER (Co Durham), ASHDOWN, ARNSBY, CAMP (London & Middlesex), TREWEEK, CHAPMAN, PRYNN, LOBB (Cornwall), FERGUSS0N, CLARK, BLACKLEY, RODDAN (Dumfriesshire), THOMSON, SCOTT (Angus) ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, [email protected] ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 18/03/2009 11:21:30 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: It dealt with miners who had signed on for a fixed period, _______________________________________________________ The miners were employed under the hated Bond system and if anyone broke the bond they were liable to arrest, trial and imprisonment. The bond was yearly and was finally abolished in 1872. Once the men had signed or made their marks, they had "had it". They could be discharged at any moment with no reason given, and evicted from their homes, but if during the whole year on binding, they attempted to get work elsewhere they could be hauled before the magistrates and sent to prison. Durham Goal was seldom without miners serving a sentence for such an offence. A strike in 1844 dealt a death blow to the Yearly Bond which was increasingly given up in favour of a shorter contract of service. I can quite believe Lord Londonderry would be happy to arrange for their arrest, and return. Stan Mapstone

Hello Listers, The 1911 census shows a relative listed as a pony driver below ground. I have a pretty good idea what this is, but if anyone has a good description, I would appreciate having it. Also, this relative is listed as 15 years old. I am wondering what the child labor laws were in 1911 and a few years back. I would like to know how long he could have been working at this employment. Thanks. Sandi in the U.S.

Hi again, Wrong link it should be ..... http://www.dmm.org.uk Boris.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'I never was in a gang of thieves; I never was guilty of any such thing in my life.' JAMES ATTERBY 29th April 1778, The Old Bailey. OLD ATTERBY GROUP.... http://groups.msn.com/AtterbyFamilyHistory NEW ATTERBY GROUP.... http://atterby.multiply.com/ http://atterby.tribalpages.com/ ----- Original Message ---- From: Boris Atterby <[email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 18 March, 2009 7:59:50 AM Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Mining Occupation or Joke? Hi, It was to do with the steel rope that went round and round a pit ''endlessly'' . The 'endless pony' lads or 'endless lads' had to hook the tubs of coal onto these and remove the empty ones as they past, so one could imagine you had to keep your wits around you! I'm sure the Durham Mining Museum website .........  http://www.dmm.org.uk/mindex.htm   will give a better account than mine and may have answers for others searching the 1911!! Regards, Boris.  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hi, It was to do with the steel rope that went round and round a pit ''endlessly'' . The 'endless pony' lads or 'endless lads' had to hook the tubs of coal onto these and remove the empty ones as they past, so one could imagine you had to keep your wits around you! I'm sure the Durham Mining Museum website .........  http://www.dmm.org.uk/mindex.htm   will give a better account than mine and may have answers for others searching the 1911!! Regards, Boris.  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sent: Tuesday, 17 March, 2009 11:40:54 PM Subject: [DUR-NBL] Mining Occupation or Joke? Now that 1911 Census is available to view, we can all start puzzling about  what's on it. My great-uncle William Wilson Downing, age 16, was living with his father  in Horden and his occupation was given by his father as "Coal Miner Endless  Boy". Was that a specific type of mining job or a comment by his father on his  immaturity? Adrian ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== To Post a message to this list send it to, [email protected] ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== List Web Page http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Wilson RITSON who was one of the miners imprisoned was my great great grandmother's brother - is there anyone out there connected to this family? Wilson married twice and had ten children in total. His mother's maiden name was Wilson and the name, as a given name, has carried on to present generations. Elizabeth Pugh Yukon Canada

In a message dated 18/03/2009 09:50:46 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am a new subscriber. I am interested in the coalminer's strike of 1859 in the Seaton Delaval area. I believe that my Gt Gt Grandfather Alexander WATSON was one of the eight sentenced to 2 months on the treadmill at Morpeth prison. They were all churchmen and were used as examples. Can anyone supply information or point me in the right direction. ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Peter, >From The Newcastle Courant, Friday 26th July 1859. Strike at Seaton Delaval Colliery. On Thursday morning, a body of the Northumberland county police arrested, at Seaton Delaval , Thomas Benny, Henry Bell, Amos Hetherington, Alexander Watson, Anthony Bolam, Robert Burt, Thomas Wakinshaw, Edward Davies, and Wilson Ritson, on a charge of having quitted their employment at Seaton Delaval Colliery, without giving the usual month’s notice according to the terms of their monthly contract. Benny, on being locked up, was taken seriously ill, having a succession of fits. The whole of them were taken before Mr. George Rippon, who sat at the George Tavern in the afternoon to hear the case. Mr. Kewney appeared for the prosecution. Amos Hetherington was the first to appear in the dock. Mr. Kewney said the men were charged under the 4th George IV., cap. 34, sec.3, with having broken a contract whereby they were bound to give a month’s notice. The work was urgent, and taking advantage of this the men demanded an advance of 3d. per ton, which was not acceded to, whereupon these men left their work. Mr. Forster, viewer, proved the contract, and said the men wrought up to Friday last. They received their pay on Saturday. If discharged without a months notice, the men claim a month’s wages. On Monday they did not go to work. On Tuesday they sent a deputation demanding 3d. per ton advance. He refused it, - Hetherington said that he was sorry the contract was broken. He appealed to Mr. Forster whether the state of the mine was not so altered that the men could not make as living. They were a set of peaceable men. They asked Mr Forster if he meant to give any more advance, and he said he would not. This case then stood over, and the others having been heard, the men were severally sentenced to two months’ imprisonment. The general defence of the men was that the pit was not safe. Several other colliers who were in court listening to this case were then apprehended on a similar charge. On Friday these were brought before the same magistrate, and were discharged on promising to return to work. The men on strike at the colliery have since resumed their employment. Stan Mapstone

A Clip lad attached and detached single tubs, or sets of tubs, to or from ropes on haulage roads by means of clips or grips. The usual rope haulage employed was the endless-rope system which gave a continuous steady flow of coal to the shafts, the usual speed was low, 1 to 4 miles an hour. There were two rope systems, the under tub and the over tub, (and very rarely side-rope haulage) the clips in common use were the Fisher, the star and the Smallman. In the over tub system a common method of attaching the tubs was by the use of lashing chains. Stan Mapstone