Brian Pears of the Northumbria list has just today announced that he has put a list of NBL & DUR Piece numbers and the Registration Disctricts they cover on the Genuki pages at this link. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/1911census.html This shows exactly what Nivard was telling me about the missing numbers should be that I have encountered. I thought this might help others who find themselves in the same situation. regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. Nivard wrote <<> The RG78 for your ED28 should be RG 78/1718A according to the National > Archives Catalogue>>

Hello Listers: I'm hoping someone can help me by accessing church records. I have a GRO certificate which states Marriage solemnized at the Parish Church in the Parish of All Saints in the County of Newcastle upon Tyne. It is for: John Cowan and Annie Hindmarsh on Oct 21 1878. I would like to know for sure the name of the church. Thank you so much for any help Mae

Thanks Nivard for that extra ammo, I am about to write to them now. There is nothing like that number you gave me about the entry I have, I am looking at the saved file showing the reference on the 1911 site as I write, so know that it's not me having a funny turn. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain. <<> The RG78 for your ED28 should be RG 78/1718A according to the National > Archives Catalogue>>

Thanks Nivard, I haven't seen Stans message yet as I subscribe in Digest mode and the latest digest hasn't arrived here yet. I was about to write to the site about the missing reference numbers for that West Hartlepool entry but your message to the list giving details of the refs., came up before I got started on that messge to FMP. I thought I would reply to you if only to bring to the attention of others that some entries have errors in the reference numbers given on the site as well as spelling of names etc. One thing I do like about the 1911 entries is that the schedule has space for noting down the number of children that may have died in a given family. My grandparents had their children very widely spaced, 1897, 1908 and one on late 1911 because my grandfather was always working overseas for years at a time. I have always wondered whether they may have had other children in between those I knew of but that had died as infants. Apparently there were no other children as the relevant column is empty. Unless grandfather being away for long stretches of time was unaware that his wife had been left pregnant by him and that the baby died. Grandma might have forgotten to mention it to him on his return a few years after the event and he wouldn't know to ask about such children in order to put them on the census form. Sounds a bit odd to not tell her husband, but odd things happen in families at times dependant on circumstances. Regards Jenny DeAngelis Spain <<> I was going to suggest the same as Stan that the RG78 was missing for your > location but that does not seem to be the case > http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&98&77tadunit=58601fec&utm_source=aw_uk&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=gen > Have you mailed the 1911 site to ask them, if anyone knows they should>>

Is anyone on this list researching the following names (found 1800-1850) in Northumberland (Longbenton, New Castle, New Hartley, Seaton Delaval, etc)? AVERY, William (father William) McMELLON, Elizabeth DAWSON, Margaret (father Nicholas, mother Jane) RICHARDSON, Jane Nora Avery Gainesville, FL USA

Hi Jenny Further to my last The RG78 for your ED28 should be RG 78/1718A according to the National Archives Catalogue Not sure it helps but perhaps you can ask the 1911 people whats become of it Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > > I downloaded an entry from the 1911 census for a family of mine in West > Hartlepool yesterday. The ref. there has the following references about > it. > > RG14PN29628, RD545 SD1 ED28 followed by the SN number for the family's > schedule.

Hi Jenny I was going to suggest the same as Stan that the RG78 was missing for your location but that does not seem to be the case http://www.1911census.co.uk/content/default.aspx?r=24&98&77tadunit=58601fec&utm_source=aw_uk&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=gen Have you mailed the 1911 site to ask them, if anyone knows they should Sorry I cannot help as I haven't come across it except where an RG78 was missing Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Nivard, > > I downloaded an entry from the 1911 census for a family of mine in West > Hartlepool yesterday. The ref. there has the following references about > it. > > RG14PN29628, RD545 SD1 ED28 followed by the SN number for the family's > schedule. > > Why do I not have the second RG & PN numbers such as you quote in the > example you give in your message. I have a couple of entries from the > Middlesex area that have 8 numbers in the reference, these include the two > different RG & PN numbers such as you say they should have. The above > W.Hartlepool entry only has the 6 numbers I quote here, I have double > checked myself more than once over this numbering and there are only these > 6 > numbers. Why am I missing 2 numbers? > > I am puzzled. > Regards > Jenny DeAngelis. > Spain.

Hi Nivard, I downloaded an entry from the 1911 census for a family of mine in West Hartlepool yesterday. The ref. there has the following references about it. RG14PN29628, RD545 SD1 ED28 followed by the SN number for the family's schedule. Why do I not have the second RG & PN numbers such as you quote in the example you give in your message. I have a couple of entries from the Middlesex area that have 8 numbers in the reference, these include the two different RG & PN numbers such as you say they should have. The above W.Hartlepool entry only has the 6 numbers I quote here, I have double checked myself more than once over this numbering and there are only these 6 numbers. Why am I missing 2 numbers? I am puzzled. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. >>> Census references can be entered in any order, but the prefix (RG, PN, >>> RD > etc.) must be included. > Each reference should be separated by a space. For example: RG14 PN8600 > RG78 PN445 RD167 SD3 ED11 SN200 > A key to the references is below: > RG14 - this is the reference for household schedules. RG refers to the > Registrar General series of records held by The National Archives (TNA). > RG78 - is the reference for the enumerators' summary books. > PN - is the piece number within RG14 or RG78. > RD - is the Registration District number. > SD - is the Registration Sub District number. > ED - is the Enumeration District number. > SN - is the Schedule Number within RG14.<<

In a message dated 20/03/2009 14:13:55 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Uncle died there and I have a feeling it may have been a hospice or care home. ___________________________________________________________________________ It was the old Workhouse. The institution later went through a number of name changes: in the 1920, it was know as Feetham Infirmary or New Feetham's Institute, then after 1930 as Darlington Public Assistance Committee Municipal Institution or the Municipal Hospital. It later provided care for the elderly and was known as East Haven Hospital. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~peter/workhouse/ All Institutions had an alternative address which had to be shown on birth and death certificates, and not the name of the institution. Stan Mapstone

Hi Does anyone know what kind of astablishment 108 Yarm Road Darlington was back in the 1960's. My Great Uncle died there and I have a feeling it may have been a hospice or care home. Thanks Caroline w Walker ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.

In a message dated 20/03/2009 10:44:32 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Why do I not have the second RG & PN numbers _______________________________________________________________________ Perhaps the Enumerator's Summary Book is missing for that area. RG78 is the 1911 Census Enumerator's Summary Books. The 1911 census returns comprise two sets of documents, the bound volumes of the householder's schedules and an associated series of Enumerator's Summary Books (ESBs). Each ESB has a corresponding set of schedules. The link between them is a unique three-part reference number; Registration District Number Registration sub-District number Enumeration District Number. The ESBs contain all the information that was contained in the first section of the enumerators book in earlier censuses, such as a description of the Enumeration District etc. Stan Mapstone

I have found difficulties in using the advanced search more than once per entry. having used the general search i use the advanced search to refine the request in a hope to reduce the number of hits which works. however if you change the details or names in the advanced search it comes up with a no hits and you have to go back to the general search and put the same fresh names there it comes up with hits which can then be dealt with the advanced search features. has anyone else had this problem Regards john ferguson

Hi Sandi As posted on another forum Census reference If you have precise references for a census page you wish to view, you can go straight to that page by entering the references into this field. Census references can be entered in any order, but the prefix (RG, PN, RD etc.) must be included. Each reference should be separated by a space. For example: RG14 PN8600 RG78 PN445 RD167 SD3 ED11 SN200 A key to the references is below: RG14 - this is the reference for household schedules. RG refers to the Registrar General series of records held by The National Archives (TNA). RG78 - is the reference for the enumerators' summary books. PN - is the piece number within RG14 or RG78. RD - is the Registration District number. SD - is the Registration Sub District number. ED - is the Enumeration District number. SN - is the Schedule Number within RG14. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Looking at the 1911 census, I have a question about the reference numbers > that are listed, i.e., > RG14PN27195 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED19 SN12 > I assume the PN in RG14PN27195 stands for piece number. If so, why are > there two register general numbers along with a piece number for each of > them? > The ED19 is the enumeration district number, but what are the RD 502, SD1, > and SN12 numbers? > Thanks for any help. > Sandi in the U.S.

Sandra, on the 1911 census web site, go to advanced search then click the ? next to the census reference field. The explanation of RD SD etc are given. Ian Sandra Trapp wrote: > Hello, > > Looking at the 1911 census, I have a question about the reference numbers that are listed, i.e., > RG14PN27195 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED19 SN12 > > > > I assume the PN in RG14PN27195 stands for piece number. If so, why are there two register general numbers along with a piece number for each of them? > > > > The ED19 is the enumeration district number, but what are the RD 502, SD1, and SN12 numbers? > > > > Thanks for any help. >

I have the 10 credit census where a 6 year child that has no birth place, would that be on the 30 credit one? and are people finding much difference between the two as far as surnames. I have one surname in Parkin on my census that I can not find a birth for her around the date it say's on the census. For all people that have the surname of Marquis look under Margins Jeff

Hello Ingrid and fellow listers Some ten years ago, I belonged to both this and the Northumbria Lists and in those days this form of posting on the list quite often gained responses. As you say, sometimes down the track people still approach you regarding your earlier stated interests. Unfortunately, when transferring to ADSL I had to change from my old email address, so no longer do I receive responses to those earlier listed interests. I had hoped that by restating my interests I may have attracted some of the old contacts, that are now lost. I had earlier mentioned on this list that my father and mother, Ada Bird nee Robertson, had migrated from North Shields to N.Z. back in the late 1920s. Will be in Auckland myself in 2 wks time, so thanks for the comment from the country of my birth. Alan Bird Brisbane Qld. Ingrid Clausen wrote: > Hi Alan > > In answer to your first point, the number of people belonging to any > one mailing list is relatively small and their main purpose is to > enable people to help each other with their research. Making contact > with someone researching the same family would be a relatively unusual > bonus. Wonderful if it happens, but it may well not happen. However > sometimes people search the archives and send a message a couple of > years later, which has happened to me, and is great. > > You may increase your chances of making a connection, if you perhaps > give one or two names at a time and start with some more recent > names. Particularly with common names such as Robertson & Watson, > many people will not have got as far back as the 18th century. Just > a suggestion that you may or may not wish to follow up on. > > There are some sites such as Genesreunited which specialise in making > links between people, but you have to pay to be able to send > messages. You could try some of the other rootsweb lists such as the > Northumbria one - I suspect there is a lot of overlap in membership > however. Perhaps some other free sites such as Rootschat? > > Sorry that this is not particularly helpful, but did not want you to > feel no-one had read your message. > > Regards, > > Ingrid > >

Hello Margaret, The marriage took place in the parish church of Holy Trinity, Darlington. 1856, page 36 entry 72 Aug 30th, John Moore, of full age, Bachelor, Joiner, Cockerton Bridge, Darlington, son of John Moore, Joiner Fanny Walker, of full age, Spinster, Harewood Grove, Darlington, daughter of Thomas Walker, Sawyer. Married........after Publication before the Board of Guardians signed John Moore, Fanny Walker X her mark witnessed by, John George Ree (Rae?), Mary Ann Garget (both signed) Regards, Colin From: Margaret To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 2:03 AM Subject: [DUR-NBL] John Moore Marriage 1856 Darlingon Dear Fellow Listers, Would SKS please do a check on the 1856 Marriage of a John Moore, in the Darlington area? According to the Free BMD site, this is A marriage for a John Moore in the quarter ending Sept 1856.

Hi All, Once again thank you all who responded to my 1911 census question. As Stan has stated Gateshead was incorporated into the Northumberland census for reasons unknown. The website states that Northumberland should be available in about a months time. Cheers, John E-mail message checked by Internet Security (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.12000 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/

Hi Nora > 1. Are there any free websites with searchable UK census lists? There is the 1881 census on familysearch (no images) There is also freecen (google will find it) an ongoing project to transcribe the census There will be other small pockets here and there but nothing I am aware of Nationaly > 2. Are there any free websites where one can scroll through original > images of census reports? None that I am aware of, the costs for hosting the images is immense and there are copyright issues so I doubt it You can usually access the Ancestry Worldwide via your Library or family history society if you have one but frankly the cost to subscribe is well worth it anyway (yes I know its a cost but about 2 pounds a week, perhaps cheaper in the US?) There are also the census on film available at your nearest LDS FHS but unless they have them already there would be a cost If you have a lot of research in one area it might be worth buying the census on CDs (try e bay and various outlets) but it would probably cost you more that way Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > > Nora Avery > Gainesville, Florida, USA

Hello, Looking at the 1911 census, I have a question about the reference numbers that are listed, i.e., RG14PN27195 RG78PN1554 RD502 SD1 ED19 SN12 I assume the PN in RG14PN27195 stands for piece number. If so, why are there two register general numbers along with a piece number for each of them? The ED19 is the enumeration district number, but what are the RD 502, SD1, and SN12 numbers? Thanks for any help. Sandi in the U.S.