Dear All Please can you save me and my sister's sanity? We're looking for the death of our 2nd Ggrandmother last known at Reservoir Street Wardley FellingJarrow in 1901 census living with sons Michael and Patrick and daughter Elizabeth Ann. She has been called various first names - Ellen Ann, Nancy and Ann and various spellings of surnames. Rourke, Orourke, Orooke and possibly any other variation you can think of. She was born in Ireland about 1835 and married an Andrew Rourke in Wigan in 1859. They moved to Quarrington Hill, Cassop and Wheatley Hill. We've searched the BMDs for all variations we can think of from Jan 1901 to June 1911 as we can't find her in 1911 but we have found her children still living in the Wardley area. Anyone with access to Catholic parish records for that area or possible pointers as to where to go next??? I live in London but my sis lives in Durham County. Cathy

I think my reply only went to Ian and not to the list: 'Hi Ian Yes - I have tried alternative spellings, wild cards, first names etc etc. None of the Boags are mine. Have had another go tonight with no success. The Boak family just do not seem to be there! Thanks for looking.' Has anyone on the list encountered a similar problem? Where do I go from here? Best wishes. Vivian > Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:34:31 +0100 From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] 1911 CENSUS - BOAK FAMILY Have you tried alternative spellings, eg BOAG? All four of your given Christian names appear in Newcastle as Boag, though there are only Robert instances not Robert Robinson. Ian _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

Have you tried alternative spellings, eg BOAG? All four of your given Christian names appear in Newcastle as Boag, though there are only Robert instances not Robert Robinson. Ian Ian Vivian Simmonds wrote: > Can anyone help please? > > > > I have tried everything to find my grandparents in the 1911 census and am now totally frustrated!! > > > > Looking for Robert Robinson Boak, wife Margaret, and children Elizabeth and John Robert living in Newcastle upon Tyne. I have found other families without too much difficulty but this family has me beaten. > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Vivian >

Can anyone help please? I have tried everything to find my grandparents in the 1911 census and am now totally frustrated!! Looking for Robert Robinson Boak, wife Margaret, and children Elizabeth and John Robert living in Newcastle upon Tyne. I have found other families without too much difficulty but this family has me beaten. Best wishes. Vivian _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

In a message dated 12/04/2009 16:13:47 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Stan his name was John Hall he should be around 63/64 the reformatory was in the country and we couldn't find a street name for it. Some of the buildings are still there as we have been to see them but that doesn't help with the current search. __________________________________________________________________________ Hi Margaret, It was also known as the Netherton Training School, Stannington. In 1914 the superintendent was a William Howell Banister, but I can't find him in the census. However Ellen Elvish was resident in the 1901 census (RG13/4815/121/1) and she is still there in the 1911 census. The school was in Castle W ard, I hope this helps. Stan Mapstone

Stan his name was John Hall he should be around 63/64 the reformatory was in the country and we couldn't find a street name for it. Some of the buildings are still there as we have been to see them but that doesn't help with the current search. Margaret. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 12 April 2009 15:09 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] 1911 search by place In a message dated 12/04/2009 11:25:14 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Could anyone tell me how to access the images for Stannington Reformatory please. The search engine requires a street name and I don't have one for it. ___________________________________________________________________________ Hi Margaret, There is a map at http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006245FS.htm and there does not appear to be any road/street name. What was his name? Stan Mapstone

Ian, We have tried everything we can think of and paid for the records of several John Hall's who were near the correct age and area. Stannington Reformatory was called "North Eastern Reformatory" in 1901. We have tried both of these names in searches with no results and are now wondering if the details for institutions haven't been released yet. Margaret. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Margaret, have you tried the advanced person search and used options like keywords or occupations together with your relative's name? Ian ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Margaret Hall wrote: > Could anyone tell me how to access the images for Stannington Reformatory > please. The search engine requires a street name and I don't have one for > it. > > A relative was a master there. > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend

Margaret, have you tried the advanced person search and used options like keywords or occupations together with your relative's name? Ian Margaret Hall wrote: > Could anyone tell me how to access the images for Stannington Reformatory > please. The search engine requires a street name and I don't have one for > it. > > A relative was a master there. > > Margaret Hall > Wallsend > >

Could anyone tell me how to access the images for Stannington Reformatory please. The search engine requires a street name and I don't have one for it. A relative was a master there. Margaret Hall Wallsend -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian Thirlwell Sent: 11 April 2009 14:40 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] 1911 search by place Mary, try the following search: Address: belle* [note the asterisk for wildcard search] County: Durham District: Sunderland I got 72 hits, including addresses in Belle Vue Road, Sunderland [note Vue not View]. Ian

In a message dated 12/04/2009 11:25:14 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Could anyone tell me how to access the images for Stannington Reformatory please. The search engine requires a street name and I don't have one for it. ___________________________________________________________________________ Hi Margaret, There is a map at http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk/006245FS.htm and there does not appear to be any road/street name. What was his name? Stan Mapstone

Hi Harold, Just a small point, but I suspect one which may indicate the answer to the mystery of this entry - the Batch number starts with the capital letter I for ice-cream not the number one. I am afraid I do not know enough about the inner workings of the IGI to know what the I indicates, but it will indicate a certain type of record. If you look at the batch as a whole, all the entries I saw were female. Similarly for the much larger batch I024951. There is no film number (which would enable us to check the film catalogue) or statement this these are patron submissions, so I am a bit baffled. I wondered momentarily if they were extracted from the 1881 census (as some entries are), however in that case baptism dates would not be listed. Someone more familiar with the IGI may be able to assist. It has made me curious however, so I have emailed the Familysearch website with a brief query asking about the origins of batch I045075. By the way, is there a typo in your dates? If the two Elizabeths are the same, then she would have been baptised before she was born. Ingrid On 12/04/2009, at 7:45 AM, Harold Heslop wrote: > In the 1911 census I discovered that my grandmother (Ethel Errington) > had had a sibling of whom I was not aware. I checked in FreeBMD and > decided that the most likely candidate was Elizabeth Janet Errington, > birth March Quarter 1889 and death March Quarter 1890. This seemed > very > likely because it was also the name of my grandmother's grandmother. > > I thought I might need to buy the certificates to provide proof but > decided to see whether the IGI (which I had never used beyond mid > nineteenth century) might give any help. I found a baptism for the > baby > on 19th November 1888 at *Bishop Auckland* and the parents were the > right ones - John Errington and Mary Ann. The batch number was > 1045075. > > Does anyone have any idea where this christening might have taken > place? > > I also found my grandmother's other dead sibling's (Margaret Ellen > Errington) baptism on 26 July 1886 also at Bishop Auckland. > > My grandmother's own christening is given as at *Durham* on 5th > October > 1890. (Batch 1024951) All three were born at Crook, Co. Durham. > > No church or denomination is indicated. My great grandmother (Mary Ann > Errington) is the only one of my great grandparents I knew and I know > that her funeral - which I wasn't allowed to attend - was at Crook > Salvation Army Citadel.

James Bonarius left London to move to Co. Durham c 1850 and founded a large family. Would be interested to hear from the descendents of any of his children - George Watson, Daniel, Ellen Rebecca, Hugh, Sarah A, James, John and Elizabeth. Some members of this family also used the surname HARDY from the 1870s onwards. Have a great deal of information to share about James's ancestry.

Thanks again Stan. Ian [email protected] wrote: > Hi Ian, > Do not use the "search" in this line; > Home | About | Facilities | Our Holdings | Family History | Learning > Zone | Contact Us | Maps | Search > > Instead click on | Our Holdings | then go down the page and click on > "search for relevant items on-line". > then on the next page "search the database" which will take you to > http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/register.nsf/$$searchdcc where you can enter > a keyword. > You will see at the top of this page "DRO Database | Information Leaflets > | Durham Collieries" click on 'Information Leaflets' then select PDF Format > which should take you to > http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/usp.nsf/pws/Durham+Record+Office+-+Our+ > Holdings+-+Information+Leaflets+-+PDF+Format > > from where you can download the leaflet you need. I hope this helps. > Stan Mapstone > > >

Hi both Ingrid you were right with the first letter being I (for Indexing in this case) The letter "I" batches are the later batches entered onto the IGI which in their wisdom they have not included a source for but are extractions from Parish Registers, which one is the problem Copied from a Yorksgen posting (the same answer I got) "Originally batches were templates called -M- for marriage records (M00000-0) and -C- (C00000-0) for christening records. Then they designed a new template that could do marriages, christenings and deaths, all in the same batch. It was named the Indexing template, so the -I- stands for indexing. Most batches are done on the Indexing 5 template now, (I00000-0). There have been a few other batch designations, but most have been done with these three." You have done the wisest thing in e mailing the LDS as they do have information on them, if only they had done the sensible thing and added the source? It would have saved them time in answering enquiries in these batches as I have asked about several of them I wonder in this case if they might appear on Record Search Pilot? I have not looked but perhaps someone with an interest there already has? Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Harold, > > Just a small point, but I suspect one which may indicate the answer to > the mystery of this entry - the Batch number starts with the capital > letter I for ice-cream not the number one. I am afraid I do not know > enough about the inner workings of the IGI to know what the I > indicates, but it will indicate a certain type of record. If you look > at the batch as a whole, all the entries I saw were female. Similarly > for the much larger batch I024951. There is no film number (which > would enable us to check the film catalogue) or statement this these > are patron submissions, so I am a bit baffled. I wondered momentarily > if they were extracted from the 1881 census (as some entries are), > however in that case baptism dates would not be listed. > > Someone more familiar with the IGI may be able to assist. It has made > me curious however, so I have emailed the Familysearch website with a > brief query asking about the origins of batch I045075. > > By the way, is there a typo in your dates? If the two Elizabeths are > the same, then she would have been baptised before she was born. > > Ingrid

In the 1911 census I discovered that my grandmother (Ethel Errington) had had a sibling of whom I was not aware. I checked in FreeBMD and decided that the most likely candidate was Elizabeth Janet Errington, birth March Quarter 1889 and death March Quarter 1890. This seemed very likely because it was also the name of my grandmother's grandmother. I thought I might need to buy the certificates to provide proof but decided to see whether the IGI (which I had never used beyond mid nineteenth century) might give any help. I found a baptism for the baby on 19th November 1888 at *Bishop Auckland* and the parents were the right ones - John Errington and Mary Ann. The batch number was 1045075. Does anyone have any idea where this christening might have taken place? I also found my grandmother's other dead sibling's (Margaret Ellen Errington) baptism on 26 July 1886 also at Bishop Auckland. My grandmother's own christening is given as at *Durham* on 5th October 1890. (Batch 1024951) All three were born at Crook, Co. Durham. No church or denomination is indicated. My great grandmother (Mary Ann Errington) is the only one of my great grandparents I knew and I know that her funeral - which I wasn't allowed to attend - was at Crook Salvation Army Citadel. Harold Heslop

Hi Stan, from the home page you gave me I click Search from the menu, entered a search argument (thirlwell in this case) and got a list of hits returned, "Results from the DRO Database...". Selecting any result produces "Address not found". There is something slightly odd. Running the cursor over the results list shows the URL beginning www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice\register.nsf/.......etc but somewhere when linking to this there is a re-direction to www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk which is the old home page address and cannot be found. Below the list of results from the search is a list of useful PDF guides. Trying to link to these is also a problem, though in this case the link remains within the the nd.durham.gov.uk site but goes to a page with a message saying the page couldn't be found, eg http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/usp.nsf/Lookup/PDFHANDLISTS/$file/HANDLIST02.pdf The link back to the home page given is: http://www.durhamrecordoffice.org.uk/ which is, of course, the old one. Just in case my thirlwell search argument may have been part of the problem I tried searching seaham and got the same problem. Ian [email protected] wrote: > > > Hi Ian, > Which links do not work? I have not found any as yet. > Stan Mapstone >

This is the only one from the Evening Chronicle transcribed indexes. Sorry but the full entry can't be accessed until the new library opens in (I believe) July 1895 15-Jun BROWN Samuel Walker Aged 58 Margaret Hall Wallsend -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Tod Brown Sent: 11 April 2009 18:08 To: [email protected] Subject: [DUR-NBL] Samuel Brown d. 1895 Tynemouth Hello All: My great-grandfather, Samuel Brown, died in 1895 and his death is recorded in the register in Tynemouth (10b/147). I have yet to send for the death certificate, but was wondering if there would have been an obituary or death notice published in local newspapers. If so, could someone advise me as to where to look for such or how to obtain a copy? Any other information would also be appreciated. Thanks, Tod Maine, USA

One thing gets resolved and another problem pops up. Having got to the Record Office web site, thanks to Stan, and used the search facility, it proved impossible to link to any of the resulting items because the result list used the old web addresses! Aaaarrggh! I\n

Many thanks Stan. Ian [email protected] wrote: > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Ian, > http://nd.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/usp.nsf/ > Stan Mapstone > >

Does anyone (Stan?) have the web address of the Durham County Record Office, please? The old address seems to have been replaced and ince the changes on the CC web site this has the wrong address to link to (page not found error). Ian