Paul Smith was baptised in Washington Holy Trinity 28 Sept 1828 s/o Paul and Sarah. Paul Smith and Sarah Ayre were married in Washington 29 Mar 1824 Siblings of Paul II: Mary Smith baptised Usworth 17 July 1836 Ralph Smith baptised Washington 19 Nov 1826 William Smith baptised Washington 26 June 1831 Edward Smith baptised Usworth 2 Sept 1838 Elizabeth baptised Washington 3 Nov 1833 Baptisms Kelloe St. Helen: (parish church for Coxhoe) James 23 Nov 1859 s/o Paul and Charity Smith, living West Hetton, Coal Miner Mary Jane Smith baptised 21 May 1861 d/o Paul and Charity Smith, living West Hetton, Coal Miner Paul Smith baptised 22 Dec 1862 s/o Paul and Charity Smith, Living West Hetton, Coal Miner Sorry no relation, just trying to be helpful Janis

Hello Listers I have 3 certs which are not of my family and am happy to pass on certs themselves or details. 1. BC Anthony DAWSON b 1879 Hylton. 2. MC Thomas DAWSON and Elizabeth HEWETSON 1856 Shincliffe. 3. DC Thomas LAYTON 1838 age 3 weeks. Middridges Bishop Auckland. Kind Regards Mary

Hi again No problem He is ROUT in 1851 & 1861 and BOUGHT in 1871 (in each case transcribed correctly IMHO) You may be right in the enumerators interpretation of Castle Acre but as the enumerator only filled in a few forms and virtually the same place of birth is enumerated in 1871 (Catholicer) in two different places, I would guess that its the way Samuel (or whoever filled in the form) thought it was spelled Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) PS I have the 1851, 61 & 71 pages saved if you want them Thanks Nivard. Hadn't tried ROUT as a variant for searching census. Seemed to try just about everything else! Suppose Cathelicer is a Durham enumerators stab at a broad Norfolk accent sayinfg Castle Acre...... Gen in NBL. > In 1851 George is enumerated as ROUT born Castle Acre Norfolk which google > maps gives near Kings Lynn

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DUR-NBL] 1881 census - cannot read birth place Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 10:03:54 +0100 Thanks Nivard. Hadn't tried ROUT as a variant for searching census. Seemed to try just about everything else! Suppose Cathelicer is a Durham enumerators stab at a broad Norfolk accent sayinfg Castle Acre...... Gen in NBL. > In 1851 George is enumerated as ROUT born Castle Acre Norfolk which google > maps gives near Kings Lynn Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

Thank you to all who unscrambled "Catherlicer" as Castle Acre in NFK. Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

Hi Gen, Another puzzle! It looks like Norfolk, Cathelic? No such place in my atlas though. Which was the family church? Ann

Hi Gen In 1851 George is enumerated as ROUT born Castle Acre Norfolk which google maps gives near Kings Lynn Name: George Rout Age: 4 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847 Relation: Son Father's Name: Samuel Mother's Name: Ann Gender: Male Where born: Castle Acre, Norfolk, England Civil Parish: East Lexham County/Island: Norfolk Country: England Registration district: Mitford Sub-registration district: Dereham ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 12 Household Members: Name Age Samuel Rout 34 Ann Rout 36 Arthur Rout 8 Mary Ann Rout 11 George Rout 4 Sarah Ann Rout 1 HO107; Piece: 1825; Folio: 392; Page: 4; GSU roll: 207479. Best wishes Nivard Ovington, in Cornwall (UK) Can someone please look at this 1881 census entry and see where George was born? RG11; Piece: 4979; Folio: 9; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342197 North Bourns Chester le Street DUR. Samuel Rought 64 Ann Rought 69 George Rought 33 Hannah Rought 25 Mary E. Rought 2 Mary A. Rought 10 Thank you Gen in NBL

Can someone please look at this 1881 census entry and see where George was born? RG11; Piece: 4979; Folio: 9; Page: 11; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342197 North Bourns Chester le Street DUR. Samuel Rought 64 Ann Rought 69 George Rought 33 Hannah Rought 25 Mary E. Rought 2 Mary A. Rought 10 Thank you Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

Hi, I think that the 1881 entry should read Castle Acre Norfolk. Your George appears in 1851 as George Rout then living at East Lexham Castle Acre. George states East Lexham as his birthplace in 1901. These places are very close together.. we pass through there on our way to the seaside from Cambridge and it's a lovely area. Castle Acre is well worth a visit-it has a ruined priory and Castle. Yours John Ayton in Cambridge _________________________________________________________________ Beyond Hotmail — see what else you can do with Windows Live. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665375/direct/01/

Steve, Definitely Cramlington Anne On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Steve <[email protected]> wrote: > Could somebody with access to the 1861 census have a look at the place > of birth of Isabella Maddox and see if they can work out what it says? > > My first thought was Cramlington, but it doesn't seem long enough for that. > > The reference is > Class: RG9; Piece: 3847; Folio: 9; Page: 14 > > And for anybody searching for this particular MADDOX line, Ancestry has > them indexed as MADDON! > > Cheers > Steve >

Hi Roy, You are right, I had taken the ton as being the ditto mark for Northumberland, not as the second part of the word. Thanks to you and the others who replied. Steve Roy Stockdill wrote: > From: Steve <[email protected]> > > >> Could somebody with access to the 1861 census have a look at the place >> of birth of Isabella Maddox and see if they can work out what it says? >> >> My first thought was Cramlington, but it doesn't seem long enough for >> that. >> >> The reference is >> Class: RG9; Piece: 3847; Folio: 9; Page: 14 >> >> And for anybody searching for this particular MADDOX line, Ancestry >> has them indexed as MADDON! > >> > > It's Cramlington - clear as a bell to me! > > What has probably misled you is that there is a longish gap between the > "g" of Cramling and the "ton" forming the rest of the word. In fact it looks > like two words. > > Findmypast has the family indexed as MADDEN. > > > -- > Roy Stockdill > Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer > Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: > www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, > and that is not being talked about." > OSCAR WILDE > > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > To Post a message to this list send it to, > [email protected] > > ==== DUR-NBL Mailing List ==== > List Web Page > http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/durhamgenealogy/index.phtml > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

From: Steve <[email protected]> > Could somebody with access to the 1861 census have a look at the place > of birth of Isabella Maddox and see if they can work out what it says? > > My first thought was Cramlington, but it doesn't seem long enough for > that. > > The reference is > Class: RG9; Piece: 3847; Folio: 9; Page: 14 > > And for anybody searching for this particular MADDOX line, Ancestry > has them indexed as MADDON! > It's Cramlington - clear as a bell to me! What has probably misled you is that there is a longish gap between the "g" of Cramling and the "ton" forming the rest of the word. In fact it looks like two words. Findmypast has the family indexed as MADDEN. -- Roy Stockdill Professional genealogical researcher, writer & lecturer Newbies' Guide to Genealogy & Family History: www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about." OSCAR WILDE

Could somebody with access to the 1861 census have a look at the place of birth of Isabella Maddox and see if they can work out what it says? My first thought was Cramlington, but it doesn't seem long enough for that. The reference is Class: RG9; Piece: 3847; Folio: 9; Page: 14 And for anybody searching for this particular MADDOX line, Ancestry has them indexed as MADDON! Cheers Steve

Could somebody with access to the 1861 census have a look at the place of birth of Isabella Maddox and see if they can work out what it says? My first thought was Cramlington, but it doesn't seem long enough for that. The reference is Class: RG9; Piece: 3847; Folio: 9; Page: 14 And for anybody searching for this particular MADDOX line, Ancestry has them indexed as MADDON! Cheers Steve

Does anyone know whether any of the Absent Voters lists covering the WW1 years have survived for the Ryton area of Co Durham? There are none at TWAS, I've already been there. Possibly DRO will have some but maybe somewhere else too? Gen in NBL _________________________________________________________________ View your Twitter and Flickr updates from one place – Learn more! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/

Hello Folks, Wondering if anyone has a connection to any of the following COCKBAIN names? Parents MARTIN COCKBAIN and ELIZABETH STEWARTSON were born in Cumberland and married in Whitehaven in 1863. They had 11 known of children who were either born in Cumberland, Durham or Northumberland, between 1863 - 1890. Martin Cockbain was was a coal miner, as some of his sons were, and they seem to have resided mainly in the Ryton area of Durham. Sons, GEORGE, DAVID MARTIN (immigrated to Canada), TOM STEWARTSON ( Manager of Usworth Colliery in 1914), ANDREW MARTIN, ELIJAH, MARTIN CHRISTOPHER, JOHN EDWARD and BERTIE, and daughters, ESTER MARTIN, ELIZABETH and MARGARET ANN. Regards, Marina New Zealand

Thank you to Clifford, Grant and Stan for the response to my Goodchild shipbuilders. So far, I can see no connection to the other shipbuilding families It was John Goodchild (b. 1699) who started the business. He built Pallion Hall as a residence for his son John, who carried on the ship buiding, and limestone quarry business. He was a partner in the Wear Bank which folded owing to dishonesty and fraud by two of his partners, and he sold all his assets, even his gold watch to pay the investors. Stan, there were lots of Ralphs and I think the one you mentioned was born 1644 and a different branch of the family. I found George's site very interesting and intend to go back and spend some time perusing it. If I ever do find evidence we are linked I will certainly be in touch. Again, many thanks for the interest. Always eager for little titbits !! Marilyn, Canada also researching: Strickland, Knott, Cairns Stokoe(Durham), Bolam, Storey(Northumberland) >

In a message dated 27/04/2009 21:56:07 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Sorry I can't offer any clues to the Goodchild family, and I suspect that George Graham, as recommended by Clifford, can't either. ____________________________________________________________________________ A shipwright named Ralph Goodchild worked on the Wear in 1672 and his family name was linked with shipbuilding until 1821. A bank established by the Goodchilds failed in 1816, but their business activities continued. Between 1801 and 1821 they built fourteen vessels totalling 1,600t. Stan Mapstone

I am interested Janis you use the term "poor house" rather than workhouse which is the more common one. My grandmother - and grandfather too for that matter - came from "up north" and she always called it the poor house too. Her mother managed to keep them all out of the poor house by taking in laundry when she left her continually unfaithful husband. And if anyone can find anything on that g grandfather of mine I would be very appreciative - I think he has hidden deliberately. Henry Bernhardt born about 1860, father Frederick according to his wedding cert late 1880 to Elizabeth Johnson - first child Elizabeth Ann born in London the day before the 1881 census after an unusually short pregnancy. Six more births - fifth child died at or shortly after birth, Grandma probably did not know about that child. Last child (6th living, straight after the dead boy) Olga (my mother named after her) born 1890 or 91 just before the census. (Children in order I think - Lizzie (Elizabeth Ann) Frederick George (Uncle George as Mum called him) Florence, Eveline (Lena, my grandma), Hilda and then Olga. George was born round Durham Spennymoor, next three were in Milnthorpe, and the boy who died and Olga were back over Durham way - I found the family including Henry 1891 in foremans or managers row, a cottage there - can't remember the mining village. Back in Milnthorp they had a lodging house. When he married Henry said he was a clerk. G Gran could not read or write but she always said the name was BERNHARDT. Sometimes they come up as BERNHARD. Henry was missing on 1881 census though there is an H Bernhardt lodger nowhere near London then. 1891 census they were altogether - 1901 Henry is nowhere to be found but he was departed from by I would guess 1892. G Gran had had enough, feisty lady. She moved the children and herself over near Bradford. (Primitive Street Mum remembers, also St Pauls Rd?? but later, 1920s? she moved down Kent way to be with her adult and married children. She was at St Pauls Rd Halifax? Bradford?) when my grandparents migrated here - they left mid 1924 and had been staying with her after they sold their Kent house before sailing.) that move to Bradford was strange - her own parents and siblings were near Spennymoor too. Perhapoos there had been a falling out. No information, stories, on that. There are no more sightings of G Grandpa Henry. Family stories say - he died before G Gran (who died 1943ish) and Fred went to check his will to see if his mother could get anything - but Henry was too cunning and left his money (he was rich by then) to Miss xxx yyy. I heard the name as a young child but cannot remember it - though I think I would know it if I heard it again. Another family story says he changed his German name to Bernhard (heaven help us if it was to Bernard) - but that was happening decades before the war, so maybe he changed his first name to David??? There is an amount of money mentioned in the family - a David Bernhard owned Union cinemas, sold out to ABC theatres, for the exact amount in that family story - and died shortly after selling I think. (Round 1937 from memory.) That David Bernhard had a son Fred on the board of management, who then resigned.. all thanks to the Times on line and the business part of it! It ties in, fits, but I can't prove David = Henry. I sent for the will of David Bernhard - would you believe they have lost it? There is an indication it was checked in Shanghai of all places. The codicil which I did get is useless. I heard Uncle Fred had problems getting the will from Somerset House as it was back then, too, which ties in with it being lost. Or just too hard to find and they could not be bothered making much of an effort. They kept my money though! To make things more difficult, it was Henry - or just possibly his father William (Wilhelm??) who was as a baby left on the doorstep of a farm in Germany - a note pinned on him, nice clothes I heard. Nothing else. Farming family was childless and took him in and he would have got the lot as they were not badly off, but he skipped off to England. As it has been pointed out, just maybe it was an accusation and he was brought up by his real father! But we shall never know - no idea where in the then Germany he was and their records need the "county" or whatever they call it I believe. On one cert I have, it looks like William, Henry's father, was a magic lantern maker. I have contacted an organisation which is keen on magic lanterns but they had no record. Several folk have looked for him, second cousins of mine - but no luck. I had a quick look for him 1911 but did not pay anything - nothing came up but this wife and children did - married by then, several of them. I did not actually spend money - that is pretty scarce and I will wait till it comes down a bit. One more thing - the family story I was told, and so were second cousins, was that we were distantly related to Sara Bernhardt. THAT has been followed too, with no luck. But then, she also was illegitimate so who knows. If anyone can find this missing - deliberately I feel - g grandfather of mine, I will be eternally grateful!!! Dawn (Melbourne Australia) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Janis Noonan Sent: Monday, 27 April 2009 9:29 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUR-NBL] Illegitimate children with What was the surname the mother was using at the time? The one she had when she married and the same when she became widowed? 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Hi Marilyn, Sorry I can't offer any clues to the Goodchild family, and I suspect that George Graham, as recommended by Clifford, can't either. George & I have worked very closely together over the past 10 years on the major Sunderland shipbuilders, and he has built his website around the Thompson shipbuilding family and those others that married into it such as Adamson, Austin, Bartram, Clark, Crown, Doxford, Gales, Laing, Pickersgill, Pile & Wake. Both George & I descend from Robert Thompson a keelman in Sunderland in the early 19th century. George's website has grown through his own efforts, and also the kindness of others, such as Clifford who have made contact with him when they discover a link into their own family trees. The website has come a very long way in 10 years since he deposited a small booklet with the Local Studies Department of the Sunderland Library, in Fawcett Street and started with a few pages on the web. So, if you do know of your family marrying into one of the above shipbuilding families, or you have a marriage to an unknown Thompson, I agree with Clifford and suggest you cross reference George's name index and you might be pleasantly surprised. As I am based in London, and visit Sunderland a few times each year, I try to check out new connections with the parish registers & probate records as much as possible in collaboration with George, so that when he posts a new page, we have done as much as possible to confirm the connection in the original records. Sometimes this has taken us years, but George is much happier when he knows that there is good primary evidence for the new connection. As Clifford mentions, photographs are always warmly accepted, especially as they help improve the visual appearance of a page of text. Grant White Born Sunderland, now living London, England Always on the lookout for the major shipbuilding families of Wearside.