Good morning Ken. I got the voicemail you left for me yesterday afternoon. I had someone in my office and couldn't get to the phone. I did check the Bedford VR last night. It lists Thomas and Hannah as parents of the children I'm referring to, but not a last name for Hannah. I'm going to go back to the library at lunch time and do some more poking around. Hopefully Ill come up with something and get back with you this afternoon. Regarding the Two Thomas's that I have with the same children, I got one set of information from the World Family Tree CD, which I'm attempting to verify the accuracy of it. I have the name of the submitter, now I'm going to contact him. I should have done this sooner, but didn't. The CD shows Thomas, born 1680 marrying Hannah Dean. She was born 11/13/1682 in Concord, MA. I'm going to verify this today. The records that came from the CD show 7 children: Hannah, 12/22/1725 Susannah, 7/8/1727 Abraham, 2/22/1729 Thomas, 3/5/1730 John, 1/24/1732 Elifelet, 12/23/1734 Abel, 9/27/1736 The VR for Bedford does confirm the dates and names but only shows the parents as Thomas and Hannah. The other notes that I have are of Thomas, born 1704, came from someone on the Dinsmore List. Off hand I don't have her name. She shows Thomas, born 1704, died 12/10/1748 in Hollis, NH, marrying Hannah Whitaker, born 1706 died 7/23/1767 in Hollis, NH. The notes she sent to me show that they had 13 children: Asa Lucy Samuel ***This is the one I'm interested in but she has no dates associated. William Hannah, 12/22/1725 Susannah, 7/8/1727 Abraham, 2/22/1730 Thomas, Jr, 1731 John, 1732 Eliphalet, 12/23/1734 Elizabeth Abt 1748 *twin Mary, Abt 1748 *twin Abel, 9/27/1736 So, as you can see, I'm confused. My interest is sparked about these two Thomas's. I'm not particularly looking for Thomas, I'm hoping that the Thomas born 1704 has siblings who may have had a son named Samuel born around 1775. I personally am looking for a direct relative of mine, Samuel Dinsmore, born 1775 in Saco, ME. I don't have copy of his birth certificate, we can't find it. My aunt has been looking in Maine but can't come up with one. Samuel apparently died 2/5/1861 in DeWitt, Clinton County, Iowa. He married Esther Harmon who was born in 1778. They were married in 1798 in Pepperelborough, MA, which is now Saco, ME. I'm trying to find who Samuel's parents were. Apparently from records found at Bowdoin College, he had a son also named Samuel who went to Med School there. In the records of Samuel Osco Dinsmore, born 1804, it shows he graduated as an MD from Bowdoin College in 1835. His father's name was Samuel, as was his grandfather's name. So, I'm looking for 2 previous generations of Samuel's, but can come up with only one, Samuel born 1775. I'm looking for a Samuel who would fit as his father. I'm trying to tie any link of the particular time frame in. Make any sense? Lisa Cozzens DTN 226-7187 978-506-7187