Hi Frank Do you have Hugh McGunigal's poor relief application? There isn't always a record, for instance the man I mentioned before did return to Scotland, dying in Merryflats Poorhouse in 1906, but in the hospital part, so no record of that admission, except for mention on death register. Further to him being sent to Ireland "Settlement Ireland", his wife, born of Scottish parents, in Glasgow, was given his settlement and also sent to Ireland about a month later, when she made an application. I'm hoping to be visiting the Mitchell in the next few weeks and could have a look just in case either Sarah Coyle or Mary McGu(o)nigal applied for assistance, as I've found happened in my family after the death of the husband/father. At one point while I was searching for Poor Relief info, I found a study which indicated that many Irish who should have been given aid were wrongly sent back to the parish of their birth. The criteria was I believe that a person who had been employed for a number of years in the parish should be afforded Poor Relief, but this seemed to have been largely ignored by some of the "Authorities". Of course can't remember where that was now, but if I find it I'll pass it on. Best Wishes Ava Connelly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of frank mcgonigal Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUNB] Sent to Ireland Hi Ava I've heard about that happening,but this is the first instance that I've come across that is documented,although there are probably many more. My gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGunigal,born Ireland abt1816,died in the Glasgow Poor House in 1863. His wife Sarah Coyle,born abt 1816,seems to have disappeared after that event,although I've had various people searching for her in Scotland,as well as my own attempts to find her. Their son born 1838,and his family,went to USA in 1874,but she wasn't with him,a daughter Mary born 1837 also disappeared,and efforts to trace her have been unsuccessful. Maybe I should be looking to Ireland for them !. Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "AC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [DUNB] Sent to Ireland > Hi Janet > > Sorry I missed the beginning of this thread, so hope I am not covering > something already done, or in the wrong timeframe here. > > This may not be the reason your Chester line were in Ireland, but in 1892 > my > g-grandmother's brother, who was born in Ireland, although he had lived in > Scotland since at least age 10, (moving here with his parents between > 1867-1876), was sent to Ireland when he found himself in ill-health and > destitute. > > His application for Poor Relief resulted in him being sent to Ireland > within > a month, this was common practice I believe. The reason being that the > parish (in his case Glasgow Parish), did not accept responsibility for his > medical and financial aid during the period of his need, and handed it > over > to the Poor-Law Parish of his birth. > > > Best Wishes > Ava Connelly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 06/01/2007 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com

Hi Ava Yes I have Hughs Poor Relief Application,and also his Death Cert.,which stated that he was married,but didn't give his parents names. I paid Des Garrity to check for Hugh and Sarah,but not for Mary,I only learned of her and brother John recently from a ( Believe it or not) Mary McGonigal in Glasgow,she found both Hugh and Sarahs childrens Baptisms ...Mary b.1837,and John b. 1838...in National Archives in Edinburgh. I even have a record of Hughs army service fom Kew,but he took sick after only 18 Mths and wasn't pensioned. The only thing I really found out was that he said he was from Derry in the Poor Appl.,and Londonderry in the army records. I know they're both the same,just depends on your religious persuasion. Thanks for the offer a a look up at the Mitchell,you probably won't find Sarah,but you may find Mary,but please don't spend too much time on this. Thanks Frank .. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ----- Original Message ----- From: "AC" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [DUNB] Sent to Ireland > Hi Frank > > Do you have Hugh McGunigal's poor relief application? There isn't always > a > record, for instance the man I mentioned before did return to Scotland, > dying in Merryflats Poorhouse in 1906, but in the hospital part, so no > record of that admission, except for mention on death register. > > Further to him being sent to Ireland "Settlement Ireland", his wife, born > of > Scottish parents, in Glasgow, was given his settlement and also sent to > Ireland about a month later, when she made an application. > > I'm hoping to be visiting the Mitchell in the next few weeks and could > have > a look just in case either Sarah Coyle or Mary McGu(o)nigal applied for > assistance, as I've found happened in my family after the death of the > husband/father. > > At one point while I was searching for Poor Relief info, I found a study > which indicated that many Irish who should have been given aid were > wrongly > sent back to the parish of their birth. The criteria was I believe that a > person who had been employed for a number of years in the parish should be > afforded Poor Relief, but this seemed to have been largely ignored by some > of the "Authorities". Of course can't remember where that was now, but if > I > find it I'll pass it on. > > Best Wishes > Ava Connelly > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of frank > mcgonigal > Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:46 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DUNB] Sent to Ireland > > > Hi Ava > I've heard about that happening,but this is the first instance that I've > come across that is documented,although there are probably many more. > > My gr.gr.grandfather Hugh McGunigal,born Ireland abt1816,died in the > Glasgow > > Poor House in 1863. > > His wife Sarah Coyle,born abt 1816,seems to have disappeared after that > event,although I've had various people searching for her in Scotland,as > well > > as my own attempts to find her. > > Their son born 1838,and his family,went to USA in 1874,but she wasn't with > him,a daughter Mary born 1837 also disappeared,and efforts to trace her > have > > been unsuccessful. > > Maybe I should be looking to Ireland for them !. > > Thanks > Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada. >