Hi Ava Its Keith :-) Tree info has to be corrected Jeans info may be b in 1866 still determining exact date. thanks for extra eyes Remember I am working BROWNs LOL One of our nightmare states for getting documents from is New Jersey they keep changing the rules just about the time you get ready to ask for a document or they raise the prices. Keith W Brown Indianapolis IN. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/o/Keith-W-Brown -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sun, 7 Jan 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [DUNB] bonhill Hi Sue Checking when Jean was born your tree shows October 1867, yet they sailed in May? Could they have broken the journey? One of my relatives going to Australia had to travel to London for the ship, just a thought that they may have gone to NI to join a ship and circumstances of Jean's birth may have altered them and they later travelled from Glasgow. The timeline is a bit confusing. Best Wishes Ava Connelly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 12:44 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUNB] bonhill In a message dated 1/7/2007 12:19:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Do you have any basis for your suggestion they might have been sent to Ireland as a punishment or for other reasons. Hi Janet. Below is the tree that was still in Scotland before emigrating to the states they sailed from Glasgow to New York in May of 1867. In Census records Jean lists her birth place as Ireland. I have the Documents for all the other prior siblings from the GRO Just tossing out a line to see why Jean is in Ireland prior to Sailing to America. Trying to determine the family path in time frame of 1829-1867 Descendants of William Brown 2nd 1 [1] William Brown 2nd 1829 - 1892 b: 1829 in Alexandria, Dunbarton, Scotland d: 16-February-1892 in Paterson, Passaic Co., New Jersey Census: 03-June-1880 Silk Printer/listed as trade in 1880, Fed.census Fact 2: 06-June-1856 residence of Alexandria, occup. a Printer from Fact 3: marriage record extract from Scotland GRO. . +Janet MacDonald 1834 - 1857 b: 1834 in Scotland d: 24-November-1857 in Bridgeton,Glasgow,Scotland m: 06-June-1856 in Bonhill, Dumbarton, Scotland Father: John McDonald Mother: Elizabeth McKinlay ........... 2 William Brown 3rd 1857 - 1939 b: 06-May-1857 in 62 Rumsford St. Bridgeton Dist., Burgh of Glascow, Scotland d: 22-January-1939 in 2103 Clarkson Ave, Germantown, Philadelphia Co., Pa. ............... +Fannie Miers Vreeland 1857 - 1932 b: 23-November-1857 d: 01-December-1932 in 2103 Clarkson Ave, Germantown, Philadelphia Co., Pa. m: 19-May-1881 in Paterson, New Jersey Father: Abraham E. Vreeland Mother: Mary Gawn *2nd Wife of [1] William Brown 2nd: . +Euphemia Brown 1835 - 1895 b: 03-December-1835 in Parish of Denny, County of Stirling, Scotland d: 08-April-1895 in Paterson, New Jersey m: 03-June-1859 in 63 Tobago Street, District of Calton, Burgh of Glascow, Scotland Father: John Brown Mother: Isabella Forsyth ........... 2 Isabella Forsyth Brown 1861 - 1926 b: 09-January-1861 in Alexandria, Bonhill Parish, Dunbarton, Scotland d: 27-June-1926 in St. Lukes Hospital, New York City Census: 03-June-1880 listed as a silk weaver 1880 Federal census ............... +Thomas Wallace Bentley 1861 - 1932 b: 07-February-1861 in Bradford, Yorkshire, England d: 26-October-1932 in Paterson, Passaic Co., New Jersey m: 14-March-1881 in Paterson, Passaic Co., New Jersey Father: John Bentley Mother: Harriet Hargreaves Census: Abt. April-1861 Horton Twp.,City of Bradford,Municipal ward Little Horton,Yorkshire Co., England ........... 2 Annie Peacock Brown 1862 - 1936 b: 24-October-1862 in Susannah St., Alexandria Bonhill, Dunbartonshire, Scotland d: 11-July-1936 in Paterson, New Jersey ............... +Richard Burch Dilworth 1846 - 1921 b: 03-January-1846 in Oxford, Pennsylvania d: 13-April-1921 in Newton Sussex Co., New Jersey m: 14-April-1908 in Newton, Sussex Co., New Jersey Father: Richard Burch Dilworth Mother: Harriett Wilson Census: Bet. 1885 - 1889 Territorial Census Records Vashon Island,Kings Co., Washington ........... 2 Daniel Brown 1864 - 1948 b: 01-May-1864 in Susannah St., Alexandria, Bonhill Parish, Dunbarton, Scotland/Alexandria, Scotland d: 05-February-1948 in Green Castle, Pennsylvania Census: 03-June-1880 lists trade as silk printer/1880 Federal census Fact 2: 09-May-1864 Entered to the Register of Births # 108 Fact 3: May 1, 1864 at 5:20 in the evening. ............... +Margaret 1863 - b: April-1863 in Scotland ........... 2 Jean Brown 1867 - 1937 b: October-1867 in Northern Ireland d: 07-May-1937 in Paterson, New Jersey ............... +Alexander MacKendrick 1863 - 1931 b: 26-May-1863 in Elderslie, District of Abbey (Landward), County of Renfrew, Scotland d: 28-October-1931 in Paterson, Passaic Co., New Jersey m: 10-April-1889 in Paterson, New Jersey Father: Archibald MacKendrick Mother: Annie Taylor Robertson ........... 2 Euphemia Beverage Brown 1870 - 1931 b: 13-October-1870 in Little Falls, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: 30-March-1931 in Sacred Heart Hospital, Allentown, Pennsylvania ............... +Judson B. Brink 1879 - 1965 b: 28-September-1879 d: October-1965 in Allentown,Lehigh Co., Pennsylvania m: 16-November-1899 ........... 2 John Brown 1873 - 1942 b: 21-November-1873 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: 27-October-1942 in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania Census: 03-June-1880 #178/Pg.13/sup dist.83/enum. dist.158 Fact 2: Paterson, Passaic Co., 1880 fed census age 6 ............... +Isabelle Mae Leckie 1871 - 1956 b: 02-September-1871 in Troy, Rennseler Co., New York d: 17-March-1956 in Shamokin, Northumberland Co., Pennsylvania m: 04-October-1899 in Jersey City, Hudson Co., New Jersey Father: John A. Leckie Mother: Susie Borden ........... 2 Mary Lee Brown 1877 - 1909 b: 1877 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: 26-March-1909 in Cos Cob, Conn. ............... +Archibald R. Paton m: 15-December-1898 in Paterson, Passaic Co., New Jersey ........... 2 Margaret Marshall Brown 1879 - 1947 b: Abt. October-1879 in Paterson, Passaic Co., NewJersey d: 04-May-1947 in Germantown Hospital, Penn & Chester Sts. Philadelphia, Philadelphia, PA.19144 Keith W Brown Indianapolis IN http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/b/r/o/Keith-W-Brown ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 06/01/2007 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1045 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. 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Sorry Keith, Needed extra eyes myself, should have read on after finding Jean. Just had another thought last night after logging off and going to bed, (I don't count sheep, just ancestors, works everytime), could she have been born at sea on an Irish Registered ship? Although the timeframe again is a bit skew-whiff even for that. Good luck with obtaining your documents, I hate waiting for news, but it's usually worth it, as my dad used to say, anything worth having is worth waiting for. Best Wishes Ava Connelly -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 2:26 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DUNB] bonhill Hi Ava Its Keith :-) Tree info has to be corrected Jeans info may be b in 1866 still determining exact date. thanks for extra eyes Remember I am working BROWNs LOL One of our nightmare states for getting documents from is New Jersey they keep changing the rules just about the time you get ready to ask for a document or they raise the prices. Keith W Brown Indianapolis IN. http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/r/o/Keith-W-Brown -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1048 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com