Am new to this group and daring to do a second posting. Am seeking info on: Elizabeth HUTTON (b. 1863, Cardroos, Dumbarton)(Dressmaker)(parents Andrew Hutton and Elizabeth McCallum) m. 1884 Dumbarton, Patrick McALISTER. Issue all born Dumbarton: Agnes Linday McAlister b. 1884, d. 1887 Elizabeth McCallum McAlister b. 1886 Robert McAlister b. 1888 Agnes Linday McAlister b. 1890 Andrew Hutton McAlister b. 1892 Helen Gardner McAlister b. 1894 Patricia McAlister b. 1896 Any help would be appreciated Margaret Collins in Australia margaretcol@bigpond.com

I am new to this list and am seeking any info on the following: William HUTTON (b. abt 1849, Kippen, Stirling)(Sawyer, later coal merchant)(parents Andrew Hutton and Elizabeth McCallum) m. Cardross, Dumbarton, 1874, Mary KING (parents John King, Inn Kepper and Elizabeth Crawford). Issue: Andrew Hutton b. 1876 John King Hutton b. abt 1879 Elizabeth Hutton b. 1881 Mary King Hutton b. 1885 Any help appreciated. Margaret Collins in Australia margaretcol@bigpond.com

Just to remind our new Dun. list members that there's lot of good info on the Genuki page: http://www-theory.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~mnd/genuki/counties/dumbarton.html Also, if you haven't placed a query on the Dunbartonshire GenWeb Query page, try it: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html Barbara Lewis, list manager lewisb@vitrex.net

-----Original Message----- From: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Date: 08 January 1999 08:18 Subject: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D Digest V99 #8 Dear all, I have a copy ,from the Scots magazine about the above subject. Anyone interested please let me know. Linda

Hello again Allan, If you ask Arthur Jones or Graham Hopner at the Dumbarton Library for an earlier copy of my working papers on the McNaughts, you may find a stray McFarlane as well as McNaughts. And pass along our best wishes to them both. Bob Alanbglass@aol.com wrote: > > Decendants of Hugh Glass. > > Please get in touch if you recognise any of the following individuals. > -- Robert H. & Doris A. Ferree P.O. Box 116 Grizzly Flats California 95636 U.S.A. robertf@innercite.com

Hi all listmembers, I want to say thank you to everyone on this list for the helpful and courteous way you are responding to each other. Keep it up! Barbara Lewis lewisb@vitrex.net

Greetings from the USA, Based on an old letter which recently came into my possession, I have reason to believe that my GGGrandparents, Robert Lyon and his wife Christina or Christian, residents of Canniesburn Toll per both the 1841 and 1851 census, may be buried in what I suppose to be the one and only New Kilpatrick Churchyard from that era. Christina is known to have died 6 April, 1859 at age 60 and was probably predeceased by Robert who was 20 years her senior. I would be very interested to verify that they are there, learn the graveyard's specific location, see a picture of the place, etc./whatever if anyone out there has such information. It is not likely that I will ever get to Scotland so any relevant info is of great interest. Thanks, Ed

My apologies! My unedited message that was to have been saved as a draft, was sent by me in error. Bob -- Robert H. & Doris A. Ferree P.O. Box 116 Grizzly Flats California 95636 U.S.A. robertf@innercite.com

Hello fellow diggers, I have been searching for information regarding the 19th century coffee plantation known as ROSENEATH ESTATE in Sri Lanka and the interests that the MCNAUGHT (MCNAUGHTAN) and TURNER familes, both of Dunbartonshire, had in it. There has been some progress thanks to wonderful subscribers. Here is a snapshop of what I have: Hello Fazli, Let me try to set as straight, as I am able, the Turners. William Turner married 12 October 1815 at Roseneath, Scotland, Elizabeth McLellan; died prior to 15 October 1881 Children: William born 22 October 1815 Roseneath Marion married 28 November 1845 John Campbell Roseneath Margaret married 24 August 1846 Dumbarton Patrick McNaughtan (aka Peter McNaught) Peter McNaught's first wife was Margaret Christie Peter McNaught's second wife was Margaret Turner Child: John McNaught born 20 August 1851 Dumbarton Quoting from correspondence addressed to his daughter and son-in-law in America by Peter Mcnaught 5 December 1864, 5 High Street, Dumbarton, "I am still keeping in pretty good health and have not much to complain of otherwise as throw the death of little John's (his son by Margaret Turner) uncle William Turner who left him about £500 .... There is also a probability that John may get some more money through time as the Law agent in Glasgow informs me that there is still a Coffee Estate in Ceylon to be disposed of which is at present drawing large rents." Quoting from correspondence addressed to the Trustees of the late Wm. Turner by Mr. John Walker 15 October 1881, "I do not want to trouble you now with a long story, or go back more than necessary. I would remind you however, that from 1859 till now, either as administrator of the late G. Uquhart or as attorney for his heirs, or as your tenant, I have paid the rent of the estate as it became due. And since the Estate came into my hands, it has been left in as as a high state of cultivation as well as cared for had it been my own property. I laid out a great deal of money on buildings , roads and surface drains, and six(?) head of sheep, 3 carts for bringing cattle manure from Kandy, as Mr. Wm. Turner did", etc.". There is the placement...Kandy. I have family (Peter McNaught & William Turner) connections with a 19th century coffee plantation known then as the Roseneath Estate. It failed in the 1880's and the myth prevails that it was purchased by Thomas Lipton. Correspondence that I have refers to anonther nearby estate as the Hermitage. Both families were of the Dumbarton/Roseneath/Rhu, Scotland area. I have little information as to how these families were connected to the plantation and as to others that may have been; a co-operative perhaps. A bit of, perhaps unrelated, information; there was a "Provident Dumbarton Society 1817" with which they may have been associated. There are more details that I have, but for now I am looking for a starting point with my research there and would appreciate any assistance. Here is a copy of a posting I have made in Sri Lanka: "I have family (Peter McNaught & William Turner) connections with a 19th century coffee plantation known then as the Roseneath Estate. It failed in the 1880's and the myth prevails that it was purchased by Thomas Lipton. Correspondence that I have refers to anonther nearby estate as the Hermitage. Both families were of the Dumbarton/Roseneath/Rhu, Scotland area. I have little information as to how these families were connected to the plantation and as to others that may have been; a co-operative perhaps. A bit of, perhaps unrelated, information; there was a "Provident Dumbarton Society 1817" with which they may have been associated. There are more details that I have, but for now I am looking for a starting point with my research there and would appreciate any assistance." > Information oobtained from the PLANTER'S ASSOCIATION: > > Ref. Ferguson's Directory: > > In 1880, William J. Turner was the Superintendent of Craigie Lea > Estate in > Dimbula. The estate owner was F. W. Neats and Co. > > During the same period: 1871-1880 > W. Turner was the Superintendent of Rosneath Estate, and the > Managing > Agent was John Walker & Co. - Manager - J.L. Dewar Hello Fazli, William Turner married 12 October 1815 at Roseneath, Scotland, Elizabeth McLellan; died prior to 15 October 1881 Children: William born 22 October 1815 Roseneath Marion married 28 November 1845 John Campbell Roseneath Margaret married 24 August 1846 Dumbarton Patrick McNaughtan (aka Peter McNaught) Peter McNaught's first wife was Margaret Christie Peter McNaught's second wife was Margaret Turner Child: John McNaught born 20 August 1851 Dumbarton Quoting from correspondence addressed to his daughter and son-in-law in America by Peter Mcnaught 5 December 1864, 5 High Street, Dumbarton, "I am still keeping in pretty good health and have not much to complain of otherwise as throw the death of little John's (his son by Margaret Turner) uncle William Turner who left him about £500 .... There is also a probability that John may get some more money through time as the Law agent in Glasgow informs me that there is still a Coffee Estate in Ceylon to be disposed of which is at present drawing large rents." Quoting from correspondence addressed to the Trustees of the late Wm. Turner by Mr. John Walker 15 October 1881, "I do not want to trouble you now with a long story, or go back more than necessary. I would remind you however, that from 1859 till now, either as administrator of the late G. Uquhart or as attorney for his heirs, or as your tenant, I have paid the rent of the estate as it became due. And since the Estate came into my hands, it has been left in as as a high state of cultivation as well as cared for had it been my own property. I laid out a great deal of money on buildings , roads and surface drains, and six(?) head of sheep, 3 carts for bringing cattle manure from Kandy, as Mr. Wm. Turner did", etc.". There is the placement...Kandy. ousins only: There were some connections between the McNaught Family and the Turner family. Look in your McNaught book for RIN #'s 250, 254 and 444. The Taits (Oban, Scotland) and the Dewars (Prince Edward Island, Canada) both are hosts of Roseneath B&B's who are interested in Roseneath. To all: I have a document that is addressed to the heirs of the estate of William Turner...or words to that effect (I do not want to open the old document again). It is apparent that the McNaughts had a commercial interest with the Turners known as the Roseneath (Rosneath) Estate in Ceylon. It was a coffee plantation that failed. Much of the coffee was destroyed by a 19th Century disease; that and poor management practices. An unconfirmed assumption is that Thomas Lipton came in control of the estate and converted it to tea plantings. Rosneath is a small town to the west of Dumbarton and was at one time a part of the Duke of Argyll's holdings. The Duke of Argyll is the chief of the Campbell Clan and has been for centuries. The Castle Inveraray is the home of the Duke (just across Loch Fyne from Castle Dunderave - a former McNaughton holding). The Campbell's, over the centuries, came to control much of what had been McNaughton lands including Dunderave. There is other speculative information that would be interesting to confirm. I have opened communication with a librarian in Dumbarton and with an individual in Sri Lanka to learn more about Roseneath Estate. Whether anything comes of this; who knows? If I learn anything, I will let you know. have family (Peter McNaught & William Turner) connections with a 19th century coffee plantation known then as the Roseneath Estate. It failed in the 1880's and the myth prevails that it was purchased by Thomas Lipton. Correspondence that I have refers to anonther nearby estate as the Hermitage. Both families were of the Dumbarton/Roseneath/Rhu, Scotland area. I have little information as to how these families were connected to the plantation and as to others that may have been; a co-operative perhaps. A bit of, perhaps unrelated, information; there was a "Provident Dumbarton Society 1817" with which they may have been associated. There are more details that I have, but for now I am looking for a starting point with my research there and would appreciate any assistance. Thank y Bob > -- Robert H. & Doris A. Ferree P.O. Box 116 Grizzly Flats California 95636 U.S.A. robertf@innercite.com

any connections to these: Thomas McNeish born 1848, son of Thomas McNeish, born 1815, married to Jean Duncan, son of Thomas Nish, born 1790, married to Marion Cowan Ronni Are you related to me? Find out by shaking my family tree at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/8162/ researching from just East of the Gateway to the West! Welsh - Dublin, IRL McNeish - Dunbartonshire, Scot. McGrath - Donegal, IRL Burnett - Dumfriesshire, Scot. Croft - Aysgarth, Yorkshire, ENG <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< God has given us eternal life and this life is in his son, Jesus. 1 John 5:11 <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><

LENNOX FAMILY - Scotland to Ireland?? In the early 18 hundreds my Lennox family were in Kildare Ireland. The Lennox family appeared to have owned land at Rahilla Common 3 miles north of Kildare town in the Parish of Dunmurray, land was owned by Laurence Lennox and son James with a smaller area owned by Martha Lennox. Also they appeared to have owned land in Prosperous and Curryhils townlands in Kildare. This information was obtained from the Griffith Valuations. The following individuals are known to us. Lawrence Lennox m. Bridget Hughes (place and date unknown) Children known to us. 1. James Lennox m. Ellen Kearns (Daughter of John Kearns and Eleanor Collins) 2. Catherine Lennox m. Paul Kearns (Son of John Kearns and Eleanor Collins) 3. Michael Lennox b. 1 Sep 1817 m. 25 Jul 1843 Brigid Foran. 4. Thomas Lennox b. 17 Aug 1820 m1. 22 Jun 1840 Anastasia Fitzgerald. Both Catherine and Thomas came to Australia after their marriages. We have only managed to find two births in Ireland so far - that of Michael and Thomas. I realise the family could have moved from Scotland to Ireland a few generations earlier, but on the off chance I thought I would ask if anyone has a Lawrence Lennox anywhere in their family tree who could possibly fit into this family. Wendy Simes (nee Lennox)

Priscilla Margaret McKenzie was born in Bonhill, Dunbartonshire on 11.9.1864, the third child of Margaret Harre (b.1829 London) and Kenneth McKenzie (b. 1825, Duirinish, Skye). Kenneth McKenzie died 1870 and his wife Margaret in 1875. Their four children were then separated and at least two went to live with relatives. However Priscilla, according to her Australian death certificate, went in that year at the age of 10 or 11 to Australia. She died in 1890 of consumption (which she had had since childhood) at "The Home", Harmony ( a hospital for consumptives) and was buried at Upper Picton, New South Wales. Who did Priscilla go to Australia with? She is not listed as an assisted immigrant. Does anyone either in Australia or Dunbartonshire have any idea how I could continue my search? Many thanks. Dominique Young domnjim@cybernet.co.nz

Hi Tony, I have a Jean or Joan McCauley married to James SMOLLET in 1649 in Cardross. Is this of interest to you? regards Len -----Original Message----- From: Tony & Maggie Robinson <amro@guernsey.net> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 January 1999 14:45 Subject: McAulay of Ardencaple >Hi > >I am researching my McAulay connections in the Alexandria, Vale of Leven, >Bonhill and Helensburgh areas using the Scots Ancestry Research Society. >They have been able to trace my maternal line back to Archibald McAulay (s) >with a likely marriage to Agnes Walker in 1795. All the males seem to have >carried on the tradition of being named after fathers throughout the 18th & >19th Centuries. > >Does the name Archibald McAulay link with these spouses Ann Bain, Agnes >Walker (m 1795), Isabella McNicoll (m 1833), Christina Hendrie (m 1860), >Janet White Robertson (m 1896) in any body else's chart. > > > >Tony M Robinson > >______________________________

Hi All, On Sunday Alan wrote giving a very good history of the names of the town and the county. It seems to me that I read somewhere "dun" means rock. Therefore, dun Briton (or dun Barton) would mean rock of Briton. I vote for Dunbartonshire. Also it is easier for me to say "nb" than "mb". :-) (Probably because of a genetic overbite somewhere along the line. <grin>) Thanks for the information, Alan. It is definitely a keeper for my Scottish file. Thanks, Karen > karen@trilobyte.net Tooele, Utah, USA http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2456/

Thanks to all who responded with the information. This has set to rest a long-standing question of mine. Thanks again, Karen Researching PARK and GILLESPIE in Dunbartonshire. karen@trilobyte.net Tooele, Utah, USA http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2456/

Hi Karen, I consulted the Scottish Genealogy Society for that answer. They told me that it is the City of Dumbarton and the County of Dunbarton (Dunbartonshire) Karen Emery wrote: > > Hi All, > > I have a question I have been wanting to ask someone and this list is the > place. :-) What is the correct spelling of the city and the county. Is > it Dunbarton or Dumbarton, I have seen it spelled both ways. I am new to > the list and enjoy hearing about the area. > > Bob -- Robert H. & Doris A. Ferree P.O. Box 116 Grizzly Flats California 95636 U.S.A. robertf@innercite.com

Hi I am researching my McAulay connections in the Alexandria, Vale of Leven, Bonhill and Helensburgh areas using the Scots Ancestry Research Society. They have been able to trace my maternal line back to Archibald McAulay (s) with a likely marriage to Agnes Walker in 1795. All the males seem to have carried on the tradition of being named after fathers throughout the 18th & 19th Centuries. Does the name Archibald McAulay link with these spouses Ann Bain, Agnes Walker (m 1795), Isabella McNicoll (m 1833), Christina Hendrie (m 1860), Janet White Robertson (m 1896) in any body else's chart. Tony M Robinson

Hi All, I have a question I have been wanting to ask someone and this list is the place. :-) What is the correct spelling of the city and the county. Is it Dunbarton or Dumbarton, I have seen it spelled both ways. I am new to the list and enjoy hearing about the area. Thanks and Happy New Year, Karen karen@trilobyte.net Tooele, Utah, USA http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2456/

-----Original Message----- From: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D@rootsweb.com> Date: 02 January 1999 14:19 Subject: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D Digest V99 #1 Hi everyone, I am researching the following MACHARDY/MACHARDIE George,William,Elizabeth,James,David FARQUAR/FARQUARSON Ann or AGNES MILES George,Charles,Esme JEFFREYS Sarah, Henry McAFEE Sarah and Charles from Lasswade Any info Linda

WHAT? I also just subscribed before Christmas and am going thru all kinds of Dunbartonshire listings..... At 06:20 PM 12/26/98 -0800, you wrote: >DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D Digest Volume 98 : Issue 10 > >Today's Topics: > #1 I miss you [Karen Emery <karen@trilobyte.net>] > #2 Re: I miss you ["Michael Calder" <mcalder@sydpcug.] > >Administrivia: >To unsubscribe from DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D, send a message to > > DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-D-request@rootsweb.com > >that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > >and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software >requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > >______________________________X-Message: #1 >Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:08:27 -0700 >From: Karen Emery <karen@trilobyte.net> >To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.19981226070827.007b1400@trilobyte.net> >Subject: I miss you >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >MMStirling wrote: >>Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 15:25:42 -0500 >> >>I really miss the Dunbartonsire list. I don't understand why people have >>to complain about every little thing. I felt it was great and if they >>didn't like they could unsubscribe. wish it could come back. thanks for >>the few you had. I hope the complainers are happy now. Just wanted to let >>you know you did a great service and I enjoyed it. >> >> mmstirling >> > >I must have missed something - where did Dunbartonshire Genweb go? Are you >saying it has been cancelled. I sure hope it wasn't, I just joined. > >Karen > > karen@trilobyte.net >Tooele, Utah, USA > >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ranch/2456/ > >______________________________X-Message: #2 >Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 09:25:16 +1100 >From: "Michael Calder" <mcalder@sydpcug.org.au> >To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <000001be3136$2fbc09c0$ea12083d@mcalder> >Subject: Re: I miss you >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >G'day Karen, > >>I must have missed something - where did Dunbartonshire Genweb go? Are you >>saying it has been cancelled. I sure hope it wasn't, I just joined. > > >As you can see it is still appears to be here - thank you Chester. > > >A Happy, Healthy and Prosperous New Year to you all. > >HURU, Mike > Are you related to me? Find out by shaking my family tree at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Fields/8162/ researching Welsh, McNeish, McGrath, Burnett and Croft on the Illinois side of the Gateway to the west! <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <>< <><