For some time now I have been researching my husband's Maxwell line and have traced his great grandfather to Lieutenant Stewart Maxwell who married Agnes Ewing at Dumbarton in 1789. We think Stewart's parents may have been William Maxwell and Margaret McLeod who married in Dumbarton in 1762/3. There is a son William born to this couple but no record of any other children. Are any subscribers to this list researching Maxwells in this area and do they know anything of the other Maxwell families listed in the parish registers? Perhaps the James Maxwell who married Jean Guthrie in 1838 may be related to Stewart or the Alexander Maxwell who married Catherine Brown. Dows anyone know the interrlationahipe between the Maxwell in Dumbarton in the 1600s-1700s? Also have been wondering why there is an elephant on the old Dumbarton coat of arms....does anyone know?

Hello everyone, I'm a new addition to your list. I'm researching the following folk. Hope someone has some connections to this family! Walter TURNBULL married Jannet ROY in Renton, Dumbartonshire 31 Aug. 1792. One of their children was Isabella TURNBULL b. 1799 in Bonhill, Scotland. In 1822 in Denny, Stirlingshire, Isabella married James Mathew ROUGH who was b. 1797 in Bonhill. James ROUGH's parents were John ROUGH (b. 1769 somewhere in Scotland) and Jannet MONACH (b. 1770 somewhere in Scotland). They married 7 July 1791 in Balfron, Dunbartonshire. A caveat: these records came from a now-deceased family member who did not record her sources of evidence. That said, I do have a little additional information on this family that I'd be glad to share. In addition to links to my family, I'd also love to know whether anyone is familiar with Bonhill. I do not know where it is located. Thank you, Sharman Badgett-Young Lynnwood, WA, USA

Especially to NEW listers.... Keep in mind that the person that could help you may have just gotten OFF this list....so use the archives to see if there was an earlier post for your surname: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Type in DUNBARTONSHIRE-GEN WEB and in the next screen, type in the surname or subject you are looking for Barbara Lewis lewisb@vitrex.net Dunbartonshire County, Scotland GenWeb Host http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html

I am looking for information on a William MACKIE that married a Mary YUILL probably about 1800. They had a son William Mackie who was born 1812 at Cumbernauld, DUN, married Jean Anderson 1841 at East Kilbride, LAN, and died 1886 at Paisley, REN. Did William & Mary (Yuill) Mackie have anyother children? Jean White jwhite49@shiatel.tds.net

G'day Mary, > Burials on the other hand can be found from Lair Books. >Often kept with the local council or the cemetry in the area of your >research. This is a new one to me although I am by no means an expert. Would a "Lair Book" be likely to exist for the town of Kirkintilloch in the 1830s+ The Auld Isle Church could also come into the equation. HURU, Mike (Sydney, NSW)

-----Original Message----- From: John K. Armour <jkarmour@eagle.ca> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 16 February 1999 14:49 Subject: Burial Records Hi John When you say Burial Records is this what you really mean or it it 'Deaths' that you are looking for. Deaths where they have been recorded are usually to be found at the end of the OPR reels. Not every parish had deaths recorded though. Burials on the other hand can be found from Lair Books. Often kept with the local council or the cemetry in the area of your research. Regards Mary

>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:08:36 -0700 -- Barbara Lewis wrote: >John, we're not as lucky as the English researchers, who find burial records >among the Christenings and marriages in the parish records. In Scotland we >find only the Christenings and marriages. They may be some burials, but I >personally I haven't found any. If anyone else out there has, let us all >know. >Barbara Lewis I've had pretty good luck by getting the microfilm of the parish records where people lived and going through searching whatever death records are on the microfilm. I've found enough entries to make it worth my while to keep looking each time I get an film of the actual registers. However, then death entry almost always has only name and date, or the father's/parents' name(s) if a child -- none of the other information on the later civil death records. Also, if there are death entries for relevant years, I find it worth skimming through in case there are other people of the same name (so I know to watch out not confusing my guy with someone else) and if, for a period of years, there are death records but not my guy then it could be an indicator he didn't die there and to then start looking for an immigration or census indexes (if available) for a move to another location in Scotland. Then there is the human interest items which show up once in a while and make interesting reading (and background for reconstructing life of that era) -- like the death record that notes total 90 deaths from cholera this year, and the next year 63 deaths from cholera, during an epidemic. Or, so and so and so were in boat which capsized and all were drowned. Or Mrs. so and so killed by so and so's brother who has now fled to Ayr or somewhere. So the death records are skimpy, but as I'm getting the microfilm of the parish record anyway to get a print of the birth or marriage record (and see what additional info may have been noted therein not showing up on the index or IGI or whatever) -- I always check out what the death entries say for the parish. After all, there's not much to look through! Dibby __________________________ Dibby Allan Green Santa Barbara, California <green@taxlawsb.com>

Excellent county map! http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/vdunstan/genuki/maps/sct_cmap.html Barbara Lewis lewisb@vitrex.net

Hi again, fellow listers, I was just reminded about Cyndi's Site for Scotland...it is excellent.....scroll down and you can quickly get all Genuki sites for each county....and lots of other Scotland information... http://www.cyndislist.com/scotland.htm Barbara Lewis, list manager lewisb@vitrex.net Dunbartonshire County, Scotland GenWeb Host http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html

To those NEW to research in Scotland, you want to visit your nearest Family History Center, where the Old Parish Records (OPR), or Scottish Records, are on the computer. The records are indexed together for the entire country, so you don't have to know what county, or shire, they were from. Both Christenings and Marriages are listed. Of course there are many that are missing, but it's the first place you should start. If you are not able to visit a FHL, I go every week and would be glad to look up a name for a Christening or marriage....only a look-up, as I cannot do research for you. If you do this, please do not write a long story or page....just list the names and give what dates and place you do know, or parents' name etc. For more recent records, vitals or census records, for a fee, you can search the Scottish records through the GRO: http://www.origins.net/GRO/ I personally have not accessed these records, but there are many folks on this list who have and will be willing to answers any questions you have. Happy hunting! Barbara Lewis lewisb@vitrex.net Dunbartonshire County, Scotland GenWeb Host http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html

John, we're not as lucky as the English researchers, who find burial records among the Christenings and marriages in the parish records. In Scotland we find only the Christenings and marriages. They may be some burials, but I personally I haven't found any. If anyone else out there has, let us all know. Barbara Lewis -----Original Message----- From: John K. Armour <jkarmour@eagle.ca> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 1:36 PM Subject: Burial Records >I have noticed that most of the OPRs for this county do not include burial >records. Would appreciate hearing the reason and where specifically they >can be found. I have New Kilpatrick in mind. >Thanks >John > > >==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > ********************PLACE YOUR QUERY*********************** > **************on the DUNBARTONSHIRE HOME PAGE****************** > ****http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html*** >

Hi listers...I want to welcome the newcomers who have joined us...we've had quite a few this week. To you who are new, please let me know if you have any problems in any way. You will find the people on this list very helpful...even though many times we don't get the answers to our queries....just repeat them to the list every so often. Also, remember to place your query on the Dunbartonshire Query page, if you haven't already.....see URL below my name. Happy hunting! Barbara Lewis, list manager. lewisb@vitrex.net Dunbartonshire County, Scotland GenWeb Host http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html

>Looking for any information re gggrandfather William HANDLEY b.c1835, >Glasgow and his wife Mary (nee HOLMES) b.c1838. They were some of the last >hand loom weavers in Kirkintilloch in late 1800's and early 1900's. Hi, Marilyn, I've been gone for a week and so am just now catching up on list mail -- so your request is several days old. While I don't have anything on your HANDLEY folks, when I was in Kirkintilloch last August I picked up at the Tourist Information Office a booklet called, "Kirkintilloch, Life & Times" by Sue Selwyn and Don Martin, published 1994 by Strathkelvin District Library & Museums Dept., and they have an address to obtain a copy at Strathkelvin District Libraries, 2 West High St., Kirkintolloch G66 1AD. It's 64 pages with a lot of photos. One page is given to the weaving trace, with a couple of photos looking like early 1900. It says, "For a long period of time the weaving of cloth was the principal industry in Kirkintilloch. During the eighteenth century most of the locla weavers prepared linen cloth, but by the early nineteenth century there had been a widespread move to cotton, and a specific roduct, kown as "lappet muslins" (muslins with raised floral decoration) was very much a specialty of Kirkintolloch. Family weaving shops usually included several looms, and children were taught to weave by the time they were 10 or 12 years of age. . . . by 1840 the local weaving population had risen to about 2,000. . . ." Photos of the insides of two mills. In the section on housing, it shows the weaver's houses where they lived above and had looms below, and the drawings to convert the first floors to living quarters after the weaving occupation began to dwindle after the 1900's. As your folks were here about this time, you might want to purchase the publication as it has lots of photographs of the period -- school classes, church picnics, bands, etc. The rotten thing, though, is that names are not given so you either need to know what your folks looked like, or have the year and place matching (and hope they weren't out sick that day!). As for a price, I don't see it anywhere. Can't be too expensive. Looks like what UK, NZ and AU call A4 size -- in the US we use 8.5" x 11" and this is a bit longer, about 8.5" X 11.5". 64 pages, paperback. Happy hunting! Dibby __________________________ Dibby Allan Green Santa Barbara, California <green@taxlawsb.com>

I have noticed that most of the OPRs for this county do not include burial records. Would appreciate hearing the reason and where specifically they can be found. I have New Kilpatrick in mind. Thanks John

Hi Listers, I have the unenviable task of tracking my family of Walker's who come from Luss, Dunbartonshire. So far I have: (certain) John WALKER m. Barbara McNIEL on 15 March 1823 in Luss (from origins I don't have the actual document) They had two sons: 1. Malcolm McNiel WALKER b. 11 Jan 1824, Luss. (have baptism record) 2. Daniel WALKER b. 1826, Luss (from origins) Malcolm moved to Glasgow to marry and have children, I don't know about Daniel. What I want to know is, will it help me to get the marriage record from origins? I can't see any other way of being absolutely certain of who his parents were. I have a feeling that John WALKER may be remarrying. But I have nothing at all to support this. What will a marriage document from Luss in 1823 tell me? Thanks for any help you can offer. Gillian

Hello - Can anyone tell me, please, what was at 15 West George Street in 1881, & is it there now? The Extract of Marriages for my gr-grandparents (Alexr. B. SMITH & Annie MITCHELL) on 09 (?) Dec 1881 shows that they were married at "15 West George Street, Glasgow" in the District of Blythswood. The certificate was signed by William DUNN (?), Min. of Cardross, & they were married "after Banns according to the Forms of the Established Church of Scotland. The handwriting on the certificate is rather difficult to read, hence the "?"s. Thank you very much. John & Marcia in BC, Canada - sandness@nethop.net

Hello - Can anyone tell me, please, anything about "Ardardan (?) House"? (The handwriting on the certifcate is very difficult to read. It might be a different name, but this is my best guess!) The Extract of Marriages for my gr-grandparents (Alexr. B. SMITH & Annie MITCHELL) on 09 Dec 1881 states that Annie MITCHELL, age 22, had the usual residence of "Ardardan (?) House" in Cardross. She was the daughter of Robert MITCHELL, Butler, & Rosina MITCHELL M/S DONALDSON. I am wondering if it was the place where her father, Robert MITCHELL, was a Butler - ? Any information on this place appreciated. Thank you. John & Marcia in BC, Canada - sandness@nethop.net

Hello everyone, I am interested in finding more information on my MARSHALL family. Does anyone have a census for Cumbernauld 1851? I am interested in William MARSHALL married to Isabella Marshall (maiden surname Marshall also) son Allan Marshall born 1844 Linlithgow. Other children of this family unknown. Allan Marshall married Margaret Campbell in Paisley in 1871 and he died in Rhu (Row) 3rd March 1899. Any information on Allan Marshall who was my great grandfather would be appreciated. Hoping to hear from someone Ruth Alexander New Zealand.

Hi, Ruth: You said: > I am interested in William MARSHALL married to Isabella Marshall (maiden >surname Marshall also) son Allan Marshall born 1844 Linlithgow. Other children of this >family unknown. I too am researching the Marshall family in West Lothian. My ancestors are Peter Marshall and Christian Bruce, both born circa 1782. I am descended from their daughter Jean Marshall (born Whithorn) who married (first) Thomas James Donaldson, and (second) Walter Burnet. I have the following notes on the children of William and Isabella MARSHALL. Father: William MARSHALL Mother: Isabella MARSHALL Isabella MARSHALL (F)....... C: 15 Apr 1838 John MARSHALL (M)............. C: 12 Jan 1840 William MARSHALL (M).........C: 5 Dec 1841 Allan MARSHALL (M)..............C: 14 Jan 1844 Our Marshall families could be connected, but we need more information. Hope this helps. Irene Mitchell.

I am interested in hearing from anyone who has information on John Douglas b. 1752 Baldernock, his wife Mary Marshall b. 1756 Baldernock m.Jan 1778 in New Kilpatrick. They had 9 children most of whom were born in Milngavie and b aptized in New Kilpatrick. Their names: Mary 1779, John 1781, Jean 1784, James 1787, Margaret 1789, Robert 1794, William and Elizabeth 1797, Marrion 1799. James was a lawyer, married and living in Glasgow in the 1860's. Margaret married my ggrandfather Samuel Armour in 1813 and had 4 children in Doune, Perthshire, came to Canada in 1820. Margaret died in 1873 in Bowmanville, Ontario. Thanks John