Hello, I'm posting this information on the ship "Deligance of Glascow" in hopes someone else has more information they can share with me about it. My 7th great grandfather, James Carruth, is thought to of been born in Dumbarton, Scotland. He died in Antrim County, Ireland in 1728. His sons Walter and Adam (my 6th great grandfather) immigrated to America in 1729. In the State of New Jersey, Calendar Of Wills book, Volume XXIII (23), I found their immigration ship referenced on page 203 & 204 with the date of 30 Jan. 1729. The reference was for the will of "Hamlton, Hamplton, Hamleton, John" (name as recorded in book) from Minimor Co., of Londonderry who wrote his will while on board the ship. His three children (Mary, Alexander, and James - all under age) were to be cared for by Robert Brown (guardian of children). Walter Caruth was executor and witnesses were Adam Carruth, Rob't Davison, and James Taylor (all names as recorded in the book). The will was proved 22 Sept. 1729 and John died at Pens Neck (now possibly Pennsville, Salem County, N.J.). I have seen this ship also listed as Deligence of Glascow and Deligance of Glasgow. There is also a reference to this ship in the book "Carolina Cradle" written by Ramsey referring to the arrival of "Robert Davidson." This reference is found on page 46 in note number 148. I also have seen this ship listed as arriving at the Port of Philadelphia. I'm looking to verify the information I have that is not included in the above will and hope someone can provide information on this ship as to where it departed from and who else may have been on it. I know this is not a ship list, but the information here is in reference to my scots-irish ancestors who immigrated to Lancaster Co. (now Dauphin Co.), Pa. then Augusta Co., Va. and finally to the Coddle Creek area of Anson Co. (becoming Rowan and now Iredell Co.). Thanks for any help any of you may be to me on this subject. Best wishes, Harvey Carrouth

At the risk of causing her some embarrassment, I would like to publicly thank Mary Swayne for some research she did for me regarding the SANDS genealogy. Not only did Mary check the 1841 & 1851 Census for Largs... she checked the local MI's (and when that came up short), reached out and touched someone who had access to the Sexton's book for Largs... which proved to be the mother lode! The result is that (pending verification), we've cleared up a boondoggle from a family pedigree dated 1933. I wanted to mention this on the list (I subscribe to a half dozen others) because it seems the only stories that get publicity are the ones where people are complaining about how selfish someone else is, or how their queries are ignored, or how their work for others goes unappreciated. Once again Mary, from myself and my in-laws, the Sands family... THANK YOU!!!!!!!!! John

Looking for the family of John MCKAY and first wife, Janet Caldwell. They had seven children born between 1865 and 1882. When Janet died John McKay married Elizabeth SMITH in 1884. An additional 8 children were born between 1885 and 1906 probably at 58a Napierston Terrace. John McKay died in December 1916 at 161 Main Street, Jamestown. Brian Manson Edmonton, Alberta, Canada

Hi there, My new mailing list for the surname of WALKER anywhere in the United Kingdom is now up and running. There is a list for WALKERs anywhere in the world but they mainly discuss WALKERs from the states. If you would like to join the address is WALKER-GBR-L-request@rootsweb.com or the digest WALKER-GBR-D-request@rootsweb.com Hope to hear about lots of Scottish WALKERs there. Gillian York, England

Hello I have a copy of Dunbartonshire monumental inscriptions - pre 1855. I am happy to perform lookups if you know the surname and graveyard/churchyard/cemetery. It doesn't have all graveyards (typically not the ones I'm interested in !). Regards Calum McRae Westhill, Aberdeenshire, Scotland Researching: McRae, Hall, Shaw, Littlejohn, McShane, Allan, Reid, Keith, Findlater - all made in Scotland so far ...

Researching for information on the William Stirling b. May 30, 1823 married Janet Findlay Sept 5, 1851. Children from this union were Christina b. 1852; Andrew b. 1854; Janet b. Oct 31, 1855; John b. May 6,1858; William b. May 24,1861; Martha Findlay Stirling b. Apr 17, 1864; Stirling (F) b. Sept 10,1866. Anyone having any information on this family or Stirling, Knox's family would like to exchange info. Thank you in advance. mmstirling@prodigy.net

Researching Andrew Stirling b. Aug 11,1820 and married Anne Fleming Aug 2, 1844. Children from this union were William b. 1846 Robert b. 1848; Thomas b. 1850; Andrew b. 1852; Catherine b. May 1,1856; John Stirling b. Nov 8, 1858; Ann Stirling b. Feb 20,1861; James Stirling b. Mar 8, 1863. Would like to hear from anyone who has ties to this family or any Stirling info. All children born in Kirkintilloch. mmstirling@prodigy.net

Hello Nancy The surviving records of the Dumbarton Combination Poorhouse are kept in the archives section of Dumbarton Library. You can write to the Local Studies Section at: Dumbarton Library Local Studies Section Strathleven Place Dumbarton G82 1BD Tel: 01389-733273 Temporary E-Mail Address is: wdlibs@hotmail.com Best wishes Arthur Arthur F. Jones Dumbarton Scotland afjones@mailhost.sol.co.uk At 07:35 12/03/99 +0800, you wrote: >Hello All > >Does anyone have any information regarding the Combination Hospital in >Dumbarton. My Great Grandmother died there in 1919. My mother >remembers it as the "poor house" are there any records I could check >to find out more about why my ggrandmother was there? > >Regards Nancy > > >==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Arrochar * Bonhill * Cardross * Cumbernauld * Dumbarton * Kilmaronock * Kirkintilloch * Luss * New Kilpatrick * Old Kilpatrick * Rhu (or Rho) * Roseneath > > >

G'day, I am now the proud possessor of the text of Account of the voyage of the ship "Sir William Molesworth" from Glasgow to Melbourne - 13 Oct 1852 to 14 Mar 1853. which is a most interesting insight into life aboard such a ship in those days. The interesting thing about this ship is that it was "owned" by the passengers who I had originally believed had called themselves collectively the "Christian and Temperance Emigration Society of Scotland" The author of the account actually says"- "Perhaps I should have stated before now that the vessel belonged to the passengers who designated themselves the "Christian Temperance Emigration Association", and the management of affairs was conducted by a Committee out of their own number." It is also interesting that it would appear that the vessel was to be sold after arrival in Australia as this extract indicates. "The Trustees appeared to think that the request of the shareholders was very unreasonable and said that they were not pre-pared to, give us a statement of the affairs and intromissions of the vessel for this reason, that several Acts had not been received when the vessel sailed, but that they were to be sent on to Melbourne and would be there before us, and that the document of Agreement which we had signed did not bind them to give us any statement of its affairs until after the sale of the vessel took place." What I am now attempting to uncover is what was the fate of the vessel? It would appear to have never made another voyage to Australia. In fact, if my memory serves me correctly from earlier research on the subject (Shipping Arrivals and Departures - Victorian Ports - Vol 2 - 1846-1855 by M A Syme.) the ship did not sail ever sail from Melbourne after its first arrival. If someone has that book they may be able to confirm that supposition. Is there anyone out there who may be able to shed light on this matter. FWIW - I am currently converting the diary into a Word document which I will be happy to share with those interested. If any of you have ancestors who came to Australia on the ship (the passenger list is available on the Victorian PRO "Immigration to Victoria - British Ports 1852 - 1859 - Inward Passenger Lists" site) you will find it most interesting. When I have finished I will let you know what names are specifically mentioned in the account. Unfortunately William CALDER is not one of them :-( HURU, Mike (Sydney, NSW)

Hello, List - Does anyone recognize these names? I'd love to find some more "links". Descendants of James MCGREGOR 1 James MCGREGOR .. +Isabella COCHRANE ... 2 John MCGREGOR b: 20 December 1884 in Glasgow,Dunbartonshire,Scotland d: 20 January 1957 in Vancouver,BC,Canada ....... +Dora Sayer SMITH b: 30 August 1884 in Hull,Yorkshire,England m: 11 October 1917 in Vancouver,BC,Canada d: 25 November 1970 in Vancouver,BC,Canada (d/o Alexander Biggart Sayer SMITH, b 06 Aug 1848 in Dumbarton, DNB, SCT & Annie Donaldson MITCHELL, b 10 Jul 1860 in Bonhill, DNB, SCT) Thank you from John & Marcia in BC, Canada - sandness@nethop.net

Hello All Does anyone have any information regarding the Combination Hospital in Dumbarton. My Great Grandmother died there in 1919. My mother remembers it as the "poor house" are there any records I could check to find out more about why my ggrandmother was there? Regards Nancy

Ross & Marilyn Handley <rhandley@atu.com.au> 13 Grevillea Grove, Heathcote NSW 2233 Australia Can anyone tell me about the "Burgh Poorhouse, Paisley" given as place of death 1880.? Thanks for any help Marilyn Handley

Hi fellow listers! I just received these neat old fashioned occupation names and their definitions from a friend who does her research mostly in England; she got it sent to her via one of her lists. Hadn't seen it on this list so thought it might be new to some/all of us. Happy hunting, Cheers! Amy >> > >I put these 130 items together from many sources and used it as a >handout for our local Orange County (NY) Genealogical Society. I >was asked by many recipients if the CHART could be forwarded to other lists or used in local newsletters. The answer is yes -- please share this information. >> >> Dan Burrows >> dburrows1@juno.com >> dburrows2@juno.com >> >> Accomptant Accountant >> Almoner Giver of charity to the needy >> Amanuensis Secretary or stenographer >> Artificer A soldier mechanic who does repairs >> Bailie Bailiff >> Baxter Baker >> Bluestocking Female writer >> Boniface Keeper of an inn >> Brazier One who works with brass >> Brewster Beer manufacturer >> Brightsmith Metal Worker >> Burgonmaster Mayor >> Caulker One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems to make them watertight by using tar or oakum-hem fiber produced by taking old ropes apart >> Chaisemaker Carriage maker >> Chandler Dealer or trader; one who makes or sells candles; retailer of groceries >> Chiffonnier Wig maker >> Clark Clerk >> Clerk Clergyman, cleric >> Clicker The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to invite customers; one who received the matter in the galley from the compositors and arranged it in due form ready for printing; one who makes eyelet holes in boots using a machine which clicked. >> Cohen Priest >> Collier Coal miner >> Colporteur Peddler of books >> Cooper One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves & hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc. >> Cordwainer Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using > leather from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain >> Costermonger Peddler of fruits and vegetables >> Crocker Potter >> Crowner Coroner >> Currier One who dresses the coat of a horse with a > currycomb; >> one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or > grease >> Docker Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo >> Dowser One who finds water using a rod or witching stick >> Draper A dealer in dry goods >> Drayman One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides >> for carrying heavy loads >> Dresser A surgeon's assistant in a hospital >> Drover One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market; a dealer in cattle >> Duffer Peddler >> Factor Agent, commission merchant; one who acts or > transacts business for another; Scottish steward or bailiff of an estate >> Farrier A blacksmith, one who shoes horses >> Faulkner Falconer >> Fell monger One who removes hair or wool from hides in >> preparation for leather making >> Fletcher One who made bows and arrows >> Fuller One who fulls cloth;one who shrinks and thickens woolen cloth by moistening, heating, and pressing; one who cleans and finishes cloth >> Gaoler A keeper of the goal, a jailer >> Glazier Window glassman >> Hacker Maker of hoes >> Hatcheler One who combed out or carded flax >> Haymonger Dealer in hay >> Hayward Keeper of fences >> Higgler Itinerant peddler >> Hillier Roof tiler >> Hind A farm laborer >> Holster A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn >> Hooker Reaper >> Hooper One who made hoops for casks and barrels >> Huckster Sells small wares >> Husbandman A farmer who cultivated the land >> Jagger Fish peddler >> Journeyman One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered his craft, not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter >> Keeler Bargeman >> Kempster Wool comber >> Lardner Keeper of the cupboard >> Lavender Washer woman >> Lederer Leather maker >> Leech Physician >> Longshoreman Stevedore >> Lormer Maker of horse gear >> Malender Farmer >> Maltster Brewer >> Manciple A steward >> Mason Bricklayer >> Mintmaster One who issued local currency >> Monger Seller of goods (ale, fish) >> Muleskinner Teamster >> Neatherder Herds cows >> Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices >> Pattern Maker A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end >> Peregrinator Itinerant wanderer >> Peruker A wig maker >> Pettifogger A shyster lawyer >> Pigman Crockery dealer >> Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead frames for plain or stained glass windows. >> Porter Door keeper >> Puddler Wrought iron worker >> Quarrier Quarry worker >> Rigger Hoist tackle worker >> Ripper Seller of fish >> Roper Maker of rope or nets >> Saddler One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other furnishings for horses >> Sawbones Physician >> Sawyer One who saws; carpenter >> Schumacker Shoemaker >> Scribler A minor or worthless author >> Scrivener Professional or public copyist or writer; notary public >> Scrutiner Election judge >> Shrieve Sheriff >> Slater Roofer >> Slopseller Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop >> Snobscat/Snob One who repaired shoes >> Sorter Tailor >> Spinster A woman who spins or an unmarried woman >> Spurrer Maker of spurs >> Squire Country gentleman; farm owner; justice of peace >> Stuff gown Junior barrister >> Stuff gownsman Junior barrister >> Supercargo Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and the commercial concerns of the ship. >> Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather >> Tapley One who puts the tap in an ale cask >> Tasker Reaper >> Teamster One who drives a team for hauling >> Thatcher Roofer >> Tide waiter Customs inspector >> Tinker Am itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman >> Tipstaff Policeman >> Travers Toll bridge collection >> Tucker Cleaner of cloth goods >> Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles >> Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy, or ship with food >> Vulcan Blacksmith >> Wagoner Teamster not for hire >> Wainwright Wagon maker >> Waiter Customs officer or tide waiter; one who waited on the tide to collect duty on goods brought in >> Waterman Boatman who plies for hire >> Webster Operator of looms >> Wharfinger Owner of a wharf >> Wheelwright One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled > carriages, etc. >> Whitesmith Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the work >> Whitewing Street sweeper >> Whitster Bleach of cloth >> Wright Workman, especially a construction worker >> Yeoman Farmer who owns his own land > > > > y

Ross & Marilyn Handley <rhandley@atu.com.au> 13 Grevillea Grove, Heathcote NSW 2233 Australia Hi, Thanks to all those who have sent info on Kirkintilloch weavers. Another question - family story is that William Handley was a lecturer at a University? presumably concerning weaving/textile industry. Does anyone have any idea where this may have been. (Kirkintilloch area, late 1800s early 1900s) Thanks for any help, Marilyn Handley

Hi, Some time ago I transferred to this list from another one, just as my ancestors seem to have done more than 100 years ago. My G Grandfather William G MORTON married Barbara JONES at Larbert (Stirlingshire) on the 10th Dec 1875. Then according to the 1881 census they were living in Bonhill> William G MORTON aged 24 born Bonhill Barbara MORTON " 22 " Tarbet William MORTON " 4 " Tarbet (my Grandfather) James MORTON " 2 " Tarbet Robert MORTON " 1 month " Bonhill They were living at 22 Main st Bonhill. Subsequently 2 more boys were born> Alexander MORTON Born about 1883/1884 Archibald MORTON " " 1885/1886. They then came to Australia, where the next child was born in 1887. If anyone has any knowledge of them, or could advise me how to find out more about them before they came to Australia I would be very grateful. Thank You, Ken Morton in a warm and sunny Western Australia.

I only know of three cemeteries in the area. Kilbowie Clydebank,Dalnotter which handled the overflow from Kilbowie,and the Old Kilpatrick cemetery at Kirkton.If this helps you in any way I,d be glad to try and get more info for you. Regards Frank McGonigal

Hello Donald I grew up in Haldane, my family all lived in Roy Young Avenue, I have many happy memories of the district. I was a student at Haldane Primary School before leaving there to attend the Vale of Leven Academy. We left Haldane in 1965 to come to Australia. If you require any other information about the district get in touch I will pass on what I remember. I am researching: GALLACHER, McCOURTNEY, in Alexandria, and DEVLIN, BELL, ARTHUR, NEESON, DILLON, McLEAN in Dumbarton. Regards Nancy

I hope someone can help with this one. I am trying to get information about AGNES KIRK and the only clue I have is the following letter:- "Sabbath April 5, 1874 Dear Uncle and Aunt: I am sorry to inform you my mother died here this morning at 2 o'clock. Let my aunt come when you receive this. O I am sorry. O I am sorry. And I am in very bad health at present. I am Remain Yours, John McGlashan" The writer unfortunately did not put an address on his letter thus making it difficult to be sure where the death occurred. The person who died was AGNES KIRK, wife of ALEXANDER McGLASHAN(D). Agnes Kirk and Alexander McGlashan were marred at DUMBARTON, December 15, 1827. Their daughter Mary was baptized there on October 27, 1828 and their son John on August 13, 1831. John McGlashan next wrote on June 16, 1874, from 6 Macintyre Street, Glasgow. It is known that his business was in Glasgow and at least one of his children was born there. Letters subsequent to 1882 were addressed "Strathclyde Villa, Bowling", and it was there that John and his family were enumerated in the 1881 and 1891 censuses for Old Kilpatrick. I am anxious to find out more about AGNES KIRK but the difficulty is in not knowing where she died. Can anyone help or offer advice? I attend each week at a small FHC but they do not have the civil registrations for Scotland. Irene Mitchell, B.C., Canada

Calum, I didn't know I couldn't send the map URL through...so go to this one: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ type in "Clydebank" where it says UK place, and it will come up.... Barb Lewis -----Original Message----- From: Calum McRae <calum@xi-consulting.freeserve.co.uk> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: RE: Kilpatrick >>does anyone know if Old Kilpatrick cemetery and New Kilpatrick cemetery are >located in the >>same churchyard? >>I can't find an address for the Old Kilpatrick cemetery. >Debbie > >I don't have an Ordinance Survey map for the area but according to the >Pre-1855 MIs for Dumbartonshire they are quite a distance apart, based upnon >their grid references. > >Let me know if I can do a lookup for you ! > >Regards >Calum McRae >Westhillberdeenshire > > >==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Arrochar * Bonhill * Cardross * Cumbernauld * Dumbarton * Kilmaronock * Kirkintilloch * Luss * New Kilpatrick * Old Kilpatrick * Rhu (or Rho) * Roseneath >

Calum, bring up this map(below) and you can see a picture of the Clydebank area....northwest of Clydebank is Duntocher....just to the west of Duntocher is Old Kilpatrick.....New Kilpatrick is on the opposite side of Duntocher....past Falfley a little (if I'm mistaken, someone out there correct me)....My ancestors are from both parishes..... Barb Lewis http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll -----Original Message----- From: Calum McRae <calum@xi-consulting.freeserve.co.uk> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:52 PM Subject: RE: Kilpatrick >>does anyone know if Old Kilpatrick cemetery and New Kilpatrick cemetery are >located in the >>same churchyard? >>I can't find an address for the Old Kilpatrick cemetery. >Debbie > >I don't have an Ordinance Survey map for the area but according to the >Pre-1855 MIs for Dumbartonshire they are quite a distance apart, based upnon >their grid references. > >Let me know if I can do a lookup for you ! > >Regards >Calum McRae >Westhillberdeenshire > > >==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== >Arrochar * Bonhill * Cardross * Cumbernauld * Dumbarton * Kilmaronock * Kirkintilloch * Luss * New Kilpatrick * Old Kilpatrick * Rhu (or Rho) * Roseneath >