Would anyone be willing to check a library in Scotland for this book? Ronni AUTHOR: Macnish, David TITLE; The history of the clan Neish or MacNish of Perthshire and Gall oway, IMPRINT; EDINBURGH LONDON W. BLACKWOOD AND SONS 1925 LOAN LOCATION TYPE STATUS EUML/MAIN NORMAL STATAUS NOT KNOWN SHELFMARK; .9292(4l32)Macn. HOLDING ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> Researching on the eastside of the Gateway to the West: Burnett, Croft, Dudley, Gonder, Forbes, Karels, McNeish, McGrath, States, Walsh/Welsh. See my family webpage at: www.geocities.com/heartland/fields/8162 ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><> ><>

Hi to the list: Looking for any information on the WATSON family of Dumbarton (High St.)in 1881.My Grandmother was Margaret,Allan,Boyd WATSON brn 30/Sept/1881 to Robert & Margaret,Gilchrist(BOYD)WATSON. Her Father,Robert,was born 21/2/1852 in Old Kilpatrick,Dumbarton. His Father was Alexander Watson,4/1809,Old Kilpatrick,married Jessie Shaw 6/6/1834 & his parents where Alexander WATSON & Margaret ANDERSON of Old Kilpatrick. These where large familys here with lots of children. Hoping to received some information on this family. Other family names carried in this family are: BOYD,BUCHANAN,GILCHRIST,SHAW,TENNENT,WATT,ANDERSON,LYLE,ALLAN: sharon.cunningham@sympatico.ca RESEARCHING:BEGG/Jamieson/Bremner/Manson:Caithness,Sc. WATSON/Boyd/Gilchrist/Shaw/Watt/Buchanan/Tennent/Allan:Ayr,Lanark,Sc. GELLATLY/Leudfoot/Perth & Old Scone,Perth,Sc CUNNINGHAM/GREENLAW/MCLEAN:Donegal Ir & Argyll Sc. MCCULLOUGH/REYNOLDS/Antrim IR:SMITH/CAMPBELL/Lanark,Sc: -- Sharon Cunningham,Guelph,Ontario.CDA RESEARCHING:BEGG/Jamieson/Bremner/Manson:Caithness,Sc. WATSON/Boyd/Gilchrist/Shaw/Watt/Buchanan/Tennent/Allan:Ayr,Lanark,Sc. SEWELL/Smith/Barrett:Caston & Rockland St.Peter,Norfolk,En. GELLATLY/Leudfoot/Perth & Old Scone,Perth,Sc CUNNINGHAM/GREENLAW/MCLEAN:Donegal Ir & Argyll Sc. MCCULLOUGH/REYNOLDS/Antrim IR:SMITH/CAMPBELL/Lanark,Sc:

We are writing to you to invite you to join our Scottish Family Research group. It is free to join our group. It is open to any one who is doing Scottish Family Research or for anyone thinking about starting. Our main goals of the club is to help each other with our Scottish research, if any members got any research problems etc they are welcome to submit their problems onto the message board as there may be some one out there that will be able to help you with your problem. Our last goal is to make this the best club on the internet. We can only do this by your support so please join us and tell your friends and family members about us. These are the only goals that we have set at this time, we will be looking at others later. Hoping that you will give us support by joining our group. Thanking you for your time. Yours Sincerely, Peter J. Fraser-Tibbett to join the Club click on site below. http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/scottishfamilyresearch

Hello Listers: I am relatively new to the list and thought I would throw my surnames out for an airing. If you have similar interests, please feel free to contact me. They are: Buchanan - Kippen Cameron - originally from Argyll >> Bonhill Cust(te) - Cardross Graham - Kippen Reid - Balfron Salmon - Dumbarton Thank you, Lisa Bosnich California

Hello Everyone Would some kind soul with access to the 1851 census for the Parish of Kirkintilloch do a lookup for the family of John and Christina COOPER. These are my recently discovered 2x great grandparents. Their daughter (my great grandmother) was also named Christina but she was age 30 in the 1881 census (and born in the Parish of Kirkintilloch) so may or may not show up on the 1851 census. I have no knowledge of any other children. Any help sincerely appreciated. Kindest Regards George Sykes, Winnipeg, Canada

Hi listers ...we have had a large number of new subscribers this past week, and I want you to join me and welcoming these new people. Some of them are new to mailing lists and may need some help. Remember how we were at first? I personally appreciate all those of you who are helping each other. It takes a little of your time, but you are greatly appreciated. Barbara Lewis, list manager lewisb@vitrex.net Dunbartonshire County, Scotland GenWeb Host http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Valley/4423/index.html

Good Scottish Family Research web site to check out. http://www.spiderweb.com.au/~frasbett Peter J. Fraser-Tibbett

Would be very grateful for anyone to let us know of any good web links in the Dunbartonshire to help you with your family research. Specially any links that you can look at for yourself. Peter J. Fraser-Tibbett frasbett@spiderweb.com.au

Looking for information re various GALLACHERs between 1860 and 1887 in the Jamestown, Alexandria area. Francis (or Finegal) Gallacher (a witness to a marriage in Alexandria in 1860), Ellen Gallacher ( a witness to baptism in 1861 in Renton), Nancy Gallacher (a boarder in the home of a Waugh family in Jamestown in 1871), James Gallacher ( from Kilmaronock; a boarder in the home of the Waughs on the 1881 census). There was a Mary (or Isabella) GALLACHER who was the mother of Mary (Brown) WAUGH who married in 1860 and raised a family in Jamestown from 1860 to 1916.

Hello, List - The following is an older brother of my gr-grandfather (who was Alexander Biggart Sayer SMITH, 1848-1935). I am wondering if anyone has a connection to the GEBBIE line, as I do not yet know where his middle name came from - Robert *Gebbie* SMITH b: Abt. 1845 in Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland Bapt/Christened: 27 January 1845 Dumbarton s/o William SMITH, Mason & Margaret SAYERS (SAWYERS) Any help appreciated! Thank you from John & Marcia in BC, Canada - sandness@nethop.net

The Clan Macfarlane Society website has many links that would be helpful with Genealogy. The Clan also has over 100 afilliated Septs and families. Anyone bearing any of these names and have ancestry tracing to the Dumbartonshire/Loch Lomond area would be welcome to search our archives and submit inquiries. Our Genealogist, Elizabeth Macfarlane, may be reached at genealogy@macfarlane.org Le gach deagh dhurachd, Michael MacFarlane, Executive Vice President Clan MacFarlane Society, Inc. http://www.macfarlane.org michael@macfarlane.org

Greetings Everyone I'm new to your list but have been puttering around several other lists for quite some time in that ever elusive pursuit of ancestry. I have now traced my great grandmother, Christina COOPER to the Kirkintilloch area. She was born about 1851 according to her age on her marriage certificate. Her father was listed as John COOPER and her mother as Christina SLACKSLY but I had absolutely no luck on ORIGINS when I queried these names/dates/places. Would dearly love to hear from anyone with knowledge of or interest in any of the above. Regards George Sykes, Winnipeg, Canada

Correction ... it was the GenConnect message board. Amy

Hi! This message is for Clara Thigpen. I'm hoping that you, Clara, subscribe to this mailing list. I tried to answer your query re: Daniel Malloy of Argyll (?) Scotland (who arrived in NC 1783)on the GenWEb Argyll Surname Message Board ... but your email address is wrong. Thought we had the problem solved, but am still getting returned mail. Bottom line: I am a cousin. Please email me if you get this message, Clara ... would like to get in touch with you. Thanks! Amy Hughes

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Dear lister, about the message on the new LDS test site that I just sent, I should have "copy-pasted"......I wasn't thinking.......please do not send a message to the original sender as found in the header. Barbara Lewis lewisb@vitrex.net

Listers, I am forwarding to you some comments from a person who can help us understand what the new site is all about. This is NOT a statement from the LDS church. For those of you that are accessing the new site, this is worth reading. The am leaving off the name of the submitter. "I've read so many comments from people on these lists, and I just have to try to help everyone understand. First off it is TEST site. They are still adding things and trying to work it out. Please be patient when it is busy. Please understand when certain regions of the world are not included. Just plain be patient!!!!! Most of us have no comprehension of how much information the LDS Church has gathered on the genealogy front. Let me try to help you understand what the LDS Church is supplying. They have a program on the computers at their Family History Libraries called Ancestral File. I don't know exactly when it started, but I believe it was in the early 1980's. They asked initially members of their church, and then they expanded it to anyone who was interested, to submit their genealogy pedigrees with as much information as possible on birth, marriage, death, parents. At the outset they said they (the Church) would not be verifying the information. They were offering their services to collect data so people could access it and perhaps locate other people working on the same lines so they didn't have to duplicate their efforts. Thus if someone was in Mississippi and someone else was in Belgium trying to trace the same family, and if they both submitted their information to the Ancestral File, they could then contact each other and share sources and information and perhaps split up the research so one was checking in one area, and the other person could check in another area. Until the information submitted to the Ancestral File is verified by others who access it, there is no guarantee it is correct, but at least it is a place to start. They receive thousands and thousands of additional names all the time, and it takes a lot of work to incorporate it into the File. They try to update the AF as often as they can, but sometimes it is 1-2 years. While there are some people working at the main Family History Library in Salt Lake City who are paid employees and others are paid by the Church to travel world wide making microfilms and obtaining books and other records, the VAST MAJORITY of those involved in genealogy in the LDS Church are amateurs and volunteers. They cannot and will not be able to go in and change every single entry that has an error. The other source being made available is their IGI or International Genealogical Index. The LDS Church arrived in the Salt Lake Valley in 1847. Almost immediately the members of the Church were encouraged to gather records of their ancestors and current families and make the information available to the Church. Up until 1970 the individual submissions were typed BY VOLUNTEERS on index cards and filed in a section called the Temple Index Bureau. After 1970 most of the submissions were entered into the computerized IGI. The members were asked and are still asked to be as accurate as possible. I, for one, am not perfect. I have checked every available source I could on some of my family and thought it was right, only to finally find an official document, such as a birth certificate, marriage license, etc., that showed I had a misspelled name or incorrect date all along. This happens on the IGI, too. However, everyone tries to be accurate. Because there are literally MILLIONS of entries, and because most of the people involved are volunteers, they cannot go back and change every one of the mistakes that people catch. That is what we have to do in our own records and then make a note of what is verified and what is not. The LDS Church also has an extraction program where they go around the world and make microfilms of official parish records, land records, civil records, family histories, biographical books, etc. and then VOLUNTEERS read every entry of the parish record and extract the births and marriages one by one, transfer them to a card, then someone else comes along and does it again to see if they read it the same way, and then another volunteer enters it on to a computer program, and another comes along and enters it again to see if it matches. Then these entries are also added to the IGI increasing the huge base of information available to EVERYONE who has an interest. I am greatful for the tremendous service they have made. My wife's family comes from Berlin. There are about 19 parishes in that city alone, and there was no rule that you had to have all your children baptized in the parish you physically lived in, and there are 100's and 100's of microfilms for Berlin alone. As each update of the IGI comes out we have tried to find missing names and occasionally we succeed because someone took the time to volunteer to do the extraction and found the baptism or marriage we needed in one of those 19 parishes rather than us trying to read all those films. (They don't extract the deaths, just births and marriages). An extension of the extraction program has been done in recent years where thousands and thousands of volunteers in the LDS Church have been entering the Temple Index Bureau data from the index cards onto the computer to appear in the IGI again making more and more information available to us all. On one of the mail lists someone complained because they saw an entry that just said someone was "of" a place and had only an approximate year of birth. Many of those types of entries are from the early days when the Church put things on index cards. The early members of the Church listed their ancestors as best as they knew them. Many did not have records with them, so they had to do it from memory. Sometimes they knew where an ancestor lived, but not necessarily where they were born, so they just said they were "of Boston" or "of Paris" or "of Barcelona", etc., etc. > My ancestors 1st submitted one early ancestor as Mrs. Jack Griggs, because that is all they knew. Then someone else remembered her name was Ann, so it was turned in again as Mrs. Ann Griggs. Finally someone found a record showing she was Ann Hills, so it was done again. They were from Dover, Kent, England, so the cards usually said "of Dover". That is what the living descendants at the time remembered. Only after parish records became available did we find out Ann HILLS was actually born in Sandwich, Kent, England, on 10 Dec 1784 and christened in St. Clement's in Sandwich on 3 Jan 1785. But someone who thought they were being thorough turned it in with 3 Jan 1785 as the birth date, when it was actually the christening date. So this ancestor is on the IGI 5 or more times with varying amounts of information. Now that the parish records are on microfilm I can find her exact name, her exact birth date and place, her exact christening, the correct date and place of her marriage, etc. Although the early listings put in by my ancestors were incomplete and even wrong, at least I knew where to start looking thanks to their efforts. Give the new program a chance. If you get one new piece of information, you have been helped. Sure there may be errors. That is the fun part--you get to check it out. We all need to complain less and be more appreciative for the work others have done to help. I thank each and every one of the people on all these mail lists who have helped me dig a little deeper into my heritage. I hope this will help everyone understand a little better what is being made available on the LDS site."

Sharman There are three possible dates relating to marriage which can appear in a Scottish OPR (Old Parish Register): (1) Date(s) of Proclamation of Banns (2) Date of "Booking" (3) Date of Marriage (1) is very uncommon, although the fact of proclamation(s) having been made from the pulpit is often stated. (2) is perhaps the most likely date to get from a Scottish OPR, taking the country as a whole. Practices varied from Parish to Parish, and from Session Clerk to Session Clerk within each Parish. The "booking" date - often indicated by a phrase like "were this day booked in order to marriage" was merely the date on which the couple's intention to marry was entered in the register. The words "and were married" are often added - perhaps an abbreviated form of this is what you refer to? Often this statement is all there is, which means that the register does not actually give the date of marriage. Researchers should always remember, where the two parties to the marriage came from different Parishes, to check the registers of both Parishes in case the second Parish gives fuller information. In countless cases, however, the marriage date itself is given in neither, and therefore cannot be discovered unless it exists in some other document (a family Bible, or a legal document perhaps, if you are VERY lucky). Usually, you just have to presume the wedding took place several days after the booking date. (3) is reasonably common, and is usually given as an adjunct to the Booking date - see (2) above, sometimes with the addition of the name of the officiating Minister. Note that the dates given in the IGI are often booking dates, not marriage dates, for the reasons given above. Hope this is a help. Arthur Arthur F. Jones Dumbarton Scotland afjones@mailhost.sol.co.uk At 01:15 08/04/1999 EDT, you wrote: >When I read the dates in a church register on which the banns were announced, >which of those dates is actually considered the wedding date. The final one? > >Also, in some 1700s register listings I was reading lately from Scotland, a >statement that the couple had "given up their names" was given followed by a >date, then a curliqued word (always the same) that looked something like >Extra and another date. Can anyone enlighten me as to which date was the >wedding date and what the Extra word might have been? > >Thanks, >Sharman Badgett-Young >Lynnwood, WA, USA >Researching TURNBULL, MONACH, ROY, ROUGH in Dumbartonshire and Renfrew > > >==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > ************************************************************** > BECOME A ROOTSWEB MEMBER OR SPONSOR - SUPPORT THIS GREAT SERVICE > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > >

Hi! Does anyone out there have a copy of "Burke's Peerage"? If yes, would you mind doing a look up? I am seeking the names and birth dates etc on the 5th Duke of Argyll; I think "Burke's Peerage" might be the source I need. I have yet to see a copy so am not sure how much info is given. Any help in this matter would be most appreciated and welcomed! Thanks and regards, Amy

When I read the dates in a church register on which the banns were announced, which of those dates is actually considered the wedding date. The final one? Also, in some 1700s register listings I was reading lately from Scotland, a statement that the couple had "given up their names" was given followed by a date, then a curliqued word (always the same) that looked something like Extra and another date. Can anyone enlighten me as to which date was the wedding date and what the Extra word might have been? Thanks, Sharman Badgett-Young Lynnwood, WA, USA Researching TURNBULL, MONACH, ROY, ROUGH in Dumbartonshire and Renfrew