I wonder if someone who has access to the 1881 census could help me. My grandparents were married in 1883 in Renton. My grandfather Robert MELVILLE born 20 Dec 1862 lived at 90 Bridgend, Dumbarton. According to the marriage certificate. I presume he lived there with his family. His father was William Melvin/Melville his mother was Janet Liddell Melville who may have been deceased by then. his siblings were William Jr b. 1858 James b. 1860 Fanny Liddell b. 1865 Thomas b. 1868 Walter b. 1871 My grandmother Mary Buchanan b. 1863 she lived on Station Rd Renton with her father John Buchanan. Her mother was deceased at this time was Mary Denny I'm afraid I don't know the names of any of her siblings. Thank you Rosemary McLarty

To get a great map online, click on: http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ type Dumbarton in the box Click on: UK place Click on Dumbarton, West Dumbartonshire Walla! ...a great street map Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: H&M Macnaughton <harmo@telusplanet.net> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: Street Maps > Hello, > Does anyone know where a street map of Dumbarton can be found? > > It doesn't need to be a download, if there is a hard copy for sale, that > would be great. > I would like it to use in my census searches. > Harry Macnaughton. > > > ==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Arrochar * Bonhill * Cardross * Cumbernauld * Dumbarton * Kilmaronock * Kirkintilloch * Luss * New Kilpatrick * Old Kilpatrick * Rhu (or Rho) * Roseneath > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Listers...can someone from the Alexandria help this person with this address?? Thank you so much.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Krautlarger <krautlarger@yahoo.com> To: Barbara Lewis <lewisb@webpipe.net> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 10:27 AM Subject: Re: New Shire of Dunbarton, Scotland Queries Forum Post NAME: Jim Krautlarger EMAIL: krautlarger@yahoo.com DATE: Jan 21 2000 QRYTEXT: I have a letter dated March, 1897 from a cousin to an aunt. In the letter it mentions some places and addresses that maybe someone out there could help me with. The first address is "154 Bridge Street, Alexandria, Dumbartonshire". Could this address still be in existance? if so what is there today. Second place mentioned is "...living at the top of Low Craipends", the spelling may be wrong but it's the best I could make out, but I don't know what it means. The third place is "...live at the top of High Brayenlls", again I don't know what this means. Fourth, "...and family live at Parkfoot", could be a building or a town? Any help would mean a lot. Jim _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

If anyone on this list has a Home Page of a surname or family from Dunbartonshire, be sure and let me know and I will provide a link from our Dunbartonshire Home Page. I have my own Home Page just about ready to go. Barb Lewis Dunbartonshire Scotland GenWeb Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

In case you haven't read this info from the Scotland Research Outline...there are some interesting items here: Understanding the Census "The Scottish government has taken a census every ten years since 1801 except in 1941. The censuses from 1841 to 1891 are available for public use. Census takers were instructed to list only those persons who spent the night in the household when the census was taken. People who were traveling, at boarding schools, or working away from home are listed where they spent the night. For example, night watchmen are often listed at their employer's business address rather than with their families. You will find the following information in censuses: 1801 to 1831. These censuses contain only statistical information. However, some parishes compiled lists of names when they gathered the information needed for the census. 1841. The 1841 census was taken on 7 June 1841. It lists each member of every household with their name, sex, address, occupation, and whether or not they were born in the county. The census takers usually rounded the ages of those over fifteen down to a multiple of five years. For example, someone who was actually fifty-nine would be listed as fifty-five. 1851 and Later. From 1851 to 1931, censuses were taken between 31 March and 9 April. These censuses list the names, ages, occupations, relationships to the head of the household, and parish and county of birth (except foreign births, which give country only) of each member of the household. Finding Census Records The Family History Library has 1841 through 1891 censuses on microfilm. To obtain the microfilm numbers, look in the Family History Library Catalog under SCOTLAND, [COUNTY], [PARISH] - CENSUS. You can also obtain microfilm numbers from a register called: Scottish Census. Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1989. (FHL Reg. 941 X2ce; fiche 6035795.) The 1841 and 1851 censuses are listed twice in the catalog and in the Scottish Census, mentioned above. This is because these two censuses were microfilmed twice. There is little difference between the filmings. You can also find census records at the: Registrar General Search Unit New Register House Edinburgh, EH1 3YT Scotland Searching Census Records When searching any census records, remember: Information may be incorrect. Accept the ages with caution. Given names may not be the same as the names recorded in church or vital records. Names may be spelled as they sound. Place-names may be misspelled. If the family is not at the expected address, search the surrounding area. When you find your family in one census, search the earlier or later census records to find additional family members. Individuals missing from a family may be listed elsewhere in the census. There could be more than one family in the same locality by the same name with very similar information. Check the census thoroughly. There could be surname or street indexes for the locality which can shorten the search. A woman, especially a widow, might be listed under her maiden name. Census Indexes Since more indexes to the Scottish census are becoming available, it is always wise to see whether a surname index or a street index exists before you search the actual census. The following source lists some surname and street indexes: Gibson, Jeremy, ed. Marriage, Census and Other Indexes for Family Historians. 6th ed. Birmingham: Federation of Family History Societies, 1996. (FHL book Ref 942 D22m 1996.) Many family history societies are indexing census records, so it is good to check with a local society to see if they have a surname index to the census for their area. Other archives and repositories may also have indexes. The Family History Library has some surname and street indexes. To find them, look in the Locality Search of the Family History Library Catalog under: SCOTLAND - CENSUS - [YEAR] - INDEXES SCOTLAND, [COUNTY], - CENSUS - [YEAR] - INDEXES SCOTLAND, [COUNTY], [PARISH or TOWN] - CENSUS - [YEAR] - INDEXES 1881 Surname Indexes. The entire 1881 Scottish census has been indexed. Each county has: Indexes by surname, birthplace, and census place. A transcription of the census as it appears on the microfilm. The indexes and transcriptions are available on microfiche at the Family History Library, Family History Centers, the Registrar General, and at record offices and family history societies in the British Isles. A national index for Scotland is also available. The national index consists of a surname index and a birthplace index. The county birthplace indexes are organized first by surname and then by birthplace. The national birthplace index is organized first by birthplace and then by surname. To find the numbers for the 1881 census indexes, look in the Family History Library Catalog under: SCOTLAND - CENSUS - [1881] - INDEXES SCOTLAND, [COUNTY], - CENSUS - [1881] - INDEXES Street Indexes. If possible, find your ancestor's street address for the time period of the census you are searching. In larger towns or cities, an address will help you find your ancestor in a census, especially if a street index exists for the town. Knowing the address can also help you search other records. You might find an address in letters, directories, civil registration certificates, church records, court records, and tax records. Street indexes are available for some towns and cities in Scotland. You can find the indexes and the census film numbers in the Locality Search of the Family History Library Catalog under SCOTLAND, [COUNTY], [CITY] - CENSUS - [YEAR] - INDEXES. Street indexes are also listed in the front of the following register: Scottish Censuses. Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1989. (FHL Reg 941 X2Ce; fiche 6035795.) " _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Listers, the old Dunbartonshire address is still out there on GeoCities....be sure you have this new URL, under Rootsweb..., even thought it's been about 6 months. Believe it or not, it took me 6 months for GeoCities to delete my old site. Dunbartonshire Scotland GenWeb Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm Barbara Lewis _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Listers, some of you have already discovered this, but when you go to the LDS Family Search to find out what Dunbartonshire records are there, use Dumbarton, not Dunbartonshire (why, I'll never know) >From Front page go to: Custom Search Next Page: Library Catelog Next Page: Place Search Next page: (type in parish name...like Old Kilpatrick) Part of: Dumbarton (NOT Dunbartonshire) Then you know where to go from there.... If you want Dunbartonshire records in general...just type in Dumbarton again (NOT Dunbartonshire) It will bring up 2 choices: Dumbarton the parish Dumbarton, the shire I hope this helps. Barbara Lewis _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hi Marlene You didn't give any dates in your posting,and did you mean 1881 not 1818.I was born in Clydebank in 1932 and also lived in Dalmuir.The name Jolly is familiar,I remember a Pete Jolly.This doesn't help of course,but if you put some dates to your people,someone might. Frank McGonigal Ont. Canada bankie@cedarwoods.com Researching, MCGONIGAL,Dundee,Glasgow- MCCOLL,Mull & East Kilbride DEWAR, CHALMERS, Lothians & East Kilbride. LAWSON,BAIRD,East Kilbride. NIVEN,Glasgow & Co.Derry. GORRY ,KEENAGHAN, Dundee & Co. Westmeath. MCGARVEY,QUINN, Co.Donegal

Hi there all ! I am researching the DICK family, millers (and grocers) of CROFTAMIE (WATER) MILL near Croftamie / Drymen. Can anyone tell me ( or speculate ) why this family should get a mention in a Trade Directory entry of 1900 (Slater's) for CARLUKE [ South Lanarkshire ] under the 'Millers' category ? I was working on the Dick family of CARLUKE - [ High Mill, Grain Millers and Millwrights / Engineers from 1797 ] when this entry popped up ! At first, I thought they might have something to do with DICK's BUSES [ operated as S.M.T. from post WW1 to 1940's - operated by R.B. Dick (Co. Manager) from garages in Carluke / Glasgow and elsewhere, but the I.G.I shows ... JOHN DICK marrying ELIZABETH JAMESON on 14 / 12/ 1822, in Kilmaronock Parish Their Son :- JAMES DICK marrying HELEN NEILSON on 16/11/1866 in Kilmaronock parish and JOHN DICK (son of James and Helen) born 13/10/1868 The Directory listed JAMES among the CARLUKE MILLERS as :- James DICK, (Grain Millers), Drymen Station At this time, a Tenant [ Thomas Rogerson] was operating the High MIll, Carluke, for the Dick family of Carluke. Any help / notes / family connections of this family and Carluke would be appreciated. GEORGE RUSSELL, The HIGH MILL TRUST, Carluke, S. Lanarkshire

Hi Lister, I am researching the names ANDERSON, SMITH, JOLLY, McCORKINDALE. Two brothers from the ANDERSON family came to Australia. They were Robert & Thomas. Thomas was married to Jeannie JOLLY. They had 2 sons when they came. John the eldest was born in Dalmuir. I haven't been able to find the ANDERSON family on the 1818 census CD's. Any assistance with all these families would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Marlene Stone Beautiful Lake Macquarie New South Wales Australia

Hello Connie Just a thought about finding the parents for your Margaret BLACK. If she died in Scotland 1855 to 1875 or in 1881 or 1891, her death certificate should be available for you to view on film through your nearest LDS. You may be able to narrow down the possible death date from census records (also available through the LDS) or someone may be able to check the 1881 census on CDs to locate the family (if you have not already done this). Scottish death certificates SHOULD show the names of both parents of the deceased plus the maiden name of the mother and whether the parents themselves are deceased. I see two of you family died in Scotland in the 1860s. You should get the names of their parents from the films of their death certificates. Don't forget to check the whole film while you have it on loan at the LDS as you may find other relatives. For some counties all the death certificates for the year will be on one film but for some of the larger ones e.g. Lanarkshire, there may be two or even three films for the year, recorded alphabetically by parish name. I hope this gives you an idea of where you might look next. Regards Lesley Instone Invercargill New Zealand Researching McCALLUM, CUTHILL, CHALMERS, NIVEN, MacFARLANE in Dunbartonshire > -----Original Message----- > From: Connie [SMTP:cowgirl@centurytel.net] > Sent: Monday, 24 January 2000 04:06 > To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Hello! > > Hello! I'm new to the lists, and am researching a couple of different > names. I'm posting to both lists because I'm not sure exactly which is > more > appropriate, as my current information lists both Lanarkshire and > Dunbarton. > > Here is the info I have: > > John KINNIBURGH, b. 25 May 1805, Queen Street, Kirkintillock, d. 27 Oct > 1863. Married to Janet MILLS, b. abt 1804, d. 25 Mar 1864 in Kirky. > > His father was Alexander KINNIBURGH, b. 17 January 1769 in Kirkintillock. > I > don't have any information on his wife and family (and would like some!). > > His (John's) Grandfather was James Cunningburgh KINNIBURGH, b 17 Dec. > 1739, > Toddhills, Kirkintillock. I need information on the spouse and family > here, > also. > > His Great Grandfather was James Cunningburgh Kinniburgh, b. abt 1708 in > Kirkintillock. Need spouse and family information. > > I'm also looking for information on Margaret BLACK, b. 17 Dec 1828. > Married > to James KINNIBURGH on 29 Nov 1850 in Kirkintillock. I have no > information > on her ancestors. > > If anyone can fill in any information for me, I'd appreciate it! > > TIA, > > Connie (Marion, MT) > > ______________________________

Hi Annie, In one of your letters in Dec. 99 you mention a John Jack m. Agnes Stirling. In one of the copies I took from the 1871 census (mostly Stirlings) I found this: Waterside Village, Kirkintilloch John Jack Head M 32 b.Glasgow occ. cotton weaver Agnes Wife m 35 Kirkintilloch Margaret Dau 8 Kirky scholar John Son 5 Kirky scholar Thomas Son 2 Kirky I don`t know if this is your family or not but thought I`d give it to you anyway. Karen

Hi and thanks for the welcome. I'm not sure how accurate my information is, as it was passed on to me without any sources or documentation. I have been unable to locate any information to substantiate and verify what I have. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks again, Connie > -----Original Message----- > From: Barbara Lewis [mailto:lewisb@webpipe.net] > Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 10:35 PM > To: Connie; DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Hello! > > > Connie...welcome to the Dunbartonshire list! Please let me know, as list > hostess, if there is anything specifically that I can do for you. Let me > say that if you have John's birth...did you find it in the Old Parish > records??...and if so, there should be the parents 'names. Also, have you > searched the OPR records for the marriage? If you can find it there, then > it may mentioned where she is "of".....and then you can pursue that parish > for her birth record. Anyway, just some thoughts. > > Barbara Lewis > > _______________________________________________________ > Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net >

Thank you very much for the dates and film numbers for Kirkintilloch, I too have research there which I have not takled, I am researching the name STEEDMAN and DICK Peter Steedman born 22 Feb 1883 in Corstorphine married Mary Hepburn DICK 28 May 1920 in Kirkintilloch she died in 1979 in Kirkintilloch also. They lived at 27 Union St . Their family where born there between 1923 and 1928. Peters family probably wern't from kirkintilloch bu\t Mary's may have been William DICK and Mary Hepburn William born (unknown) they Marrried in Errol. I have not foun\d where Mary HEPBURN was born it was abt 1878 and she died abt 1907 Her father was David HEPBURN mother unknown. There were three children that i know of to this family Mary born 8 April 1899 at 27 Union St Isabel Willie (probably William ) DICK Has anybody got anything on this lot. I am very familiar with English research, but not with Scottish. Regards Fiona Halliwell New Zealand ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Lewis <lewisb@webpipe.net> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 3:06 AM Subject: To Karen: Kirkintilloch Records > Karen, in response to another message, Kirkintilloch records are available > only in these years, as you have found out from your FHL: > > Baptisms v. 1 1656-1763 Marriages v. 1 1656-1710 FHL BRITISH Film > 1041996 Item 3 > > Baptisms v. 2 1760-1802 Baptisms v. 3 1801-1821 Baptisms v. 4 1819-1855 > Marriages and burials 1826-1855 Burials 1826, 1845- 1854 Register of > neglected entries 1831-1850 FHL BRITISH Film > 1041997 > Another filming. Salt Lake City : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of > Utah, 1951. 2 microfilm reel ; 35 mm. FHL BRITISH Film > 102144-102145 > > Barbara Lewis > > ______________________________

Karen thanks for that site...I'll put it on my Dunbartonshire Home Page. Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Karen Fox <misary@vaxxine.com> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 6:55 PM Subject: WW1 > Hi everyone, > > I`ve been on this site a few times and really enjoy it. If you know someone from Kirkintilloch who died in WW1, Fraser has compiled a list. Also if you`re related to Gartshores this is the site for you. Enjoy! > www.geocities.com/SoHo/7309/ > > Karen > > > ==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > ****************PLACE YOUR QUERY********************* > **********on the DUNBARTONSHIRE HOME PAGE*********** > **http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm** > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Connie...welcome to the Dunbartonshire list! Please let me know, as list hostess, if there is anything specifically that I can do for you. Let me say that if you have John's birth...did you find it in the Old Parish records??...and if so, there should be the parents 'names. Also, have you searched the OPR records for the marriage? If you can find it there, then it may mentioned where she is "of".....and then you can pursue that parish for her birth record. Anyway, just some thoughts. Barbara Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Connie <cowgirl@centurytel.net> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2000 8:05 PM Subject: Hello! > Hello! I'm new to the lists, and am researching a couple of different > names. I'm posting to both lists because I'm not sure exactly which is more > appropriate, as my current information lists both Lanarkshire and Dunbarton. > > Here is the info I have: > > John KINNIBURGH, b. 25 May 1805, Queen Street, Kirkintillock, d. 27 Oct > 1863. Married to Janet MILLS, b. abt 1804, d. 25 Mar 1864 in Kirky. > > His father was Alexander KINNIBURGH, b. 17 January 1769 in Kirkintillock. I > don't have any information on his wife and family (and would like some!). > > His (John's) Grandfather was James Cunningburgh KINNIBURGH, b 17 Dec. 1739, > Toddhills, Kirkintillock. I need information on the spouse and family here, > also. > > His Great Grandfather was James Cunningburgh Kinniburgh, b. abt 1708 in > Kirkintillock. Need spouse and family information. > > I'm also looking for information on Margaret BLACK, b. 17 Dec 1828. Married > to James KINNIBURGH on 29 Nov 1850 in Kirkintillock. I have no information > on her ancestors. > > If anyone can fill in any information for me, I'd appreciate it! > > TIA, > > Connie (Marion, MT) > > > > ==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > *********************************************************** > BECOME A ROOTSWEB MEMBER OR SPONSOR - SUPPORT THIS GREAT SERVICE > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hello! I'm new to the lists, and am researching a couple of different names. I'm posting to both lists because I'm not sure exactly which is more appropriate, as my current information lists both Lanarkshire and Dunbarton. Here is the info I have: John KINNIBURGH, b. 25 May 1805, Queen Street, Kirkintillock, d. 27 Oct 1863. Married to Janet MILLS, b. abt 1804, d. 25 Mar 1864 in Kirky. His father was Alexander KINNIBURGH, b. 17 January 1769 in Kirkintillock. I don't have any information on his wife and family (and would like some!). His (John's) Grandfather was James Cunningburgh KINNIBURGH, b 17 Dec. 1739, Toddhills, Kirkintillock. I need information on the spouse and family here, also. His Great Grandfather was James Cunningburgh Kinniburgh, b. abt 1708 in Kirkintillock. Need spouse and family information. I'm also looking for information on Margaret BLACK, b. 17 Dec 1828. Married to James KINNIBURGH on 29 Nov 1850 in Kirkintillock. I have no information on her ancestors. If anyone can fill in any information for me, I'd appreciate it! TIA, Connie (Marion, MT)

Hi everyone, I`ve been on this site a few times and really enjoy it. If you know someone from Kirkintilloch who died in WW1, Fraser has compiled a list. Also if you`re related to Gartshores this is the site for you. Enjoy! www.geocities.com/SoHo/7309/ Karen

Harry, I purchased such a map while in Dumbarton visiting my MCNAUGHT family sites.... I have a Dumbarton Street Guide, 2nd Edition which I purchased at the Dumbarton tourist office. The publisher is Nicolson Maps, 3 Frazer Street, Largs, Ayrshire, KA30 9HP and my cost then was £2.50. We have had previous contact which I wish to renew here shortly. Bob H&M Macnaughton wrote: > > Hello, > Does anyone know where a street map of Dumbarton can be found? > > It doesn't need to be a download, if there is a hard copy for sale, that > would be great. > I would like it to use in my census searches. > Harry Macnaughton. > > ==== DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB Mailing List ==== > Arrochar * Bonhill * Cardross * Cumbernauld * Dumbarton * Kilmaronock * Kirkintilloch * Luss * New Kilpatrick * Old Kilpatrick * Rhu (or Rho) * Roseneath -- Robert H. & Doris A. Ferree P.O. Box 116 Grizzly Flats California 95636 U.S.A. robertf@innercite.com

Hello, Does anyone know where a street map of Dumbarton can be found? It doesn't need to be a download, if there is a hard copy for sale, that would be great. I would like it to use in my census searches. Harry Macnaughton.