I have just received a copy of Poor Relief Application for one of my kin in 1871. It states my g/gfthr was a Reserve in the 75th Regiment. Is this a Scottish regiment.? (They came from Ireland) TIA Milly Banks - Perth Au

Betty, I'm sure you've visited GENUKI, but in case you haven't: http://www.skylinc.net/~lasmith/genuki/DNB/Cumbernauld/index.html Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth <bdon@itr.net.au> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: Re: Cumbernauld Ancestors > Some of my ancestors came from Cumbernauld and I would like to know how to obtain > some historical information about the area and maybe pictures. > > One of my gg grandfathers was James STIRLING, born in ? Cumbernauld or ? Denny, > married Marg McKENZIE of St Ninian in 1802. They had the following children: > Margaret, Alexander, Helen, Agnes, Janet, Marian, Mary and William (my g > grandfather). Both my gg grandfather and g grandfather were colliery 'engine > keepers'. > > My other gg grandfather was William MARSHALL, born about 1779 in Cumbernauld. He > married Isabelle STIRLING in 1813. They had the following children: ?William, > Allan Stirling, Sarah Allan, Agnes, Allan, Matthew, William, lizabeth ----there > are probably more children however another Wm Marshall and Isobelle Stirling > married in Cumbernauld in 1824 and I cannot decide which children belong to which > marriage. (The Stirlings and Marshalls seemed to be very active at marrying each > other). My William Marshall was a farmer. > > William STIRLING married Elizabeth MARSHALL in 1848 and they had 14 children. > James (died as a baby) Isabella, Margaret, Elizabeth, Janet, William, Sarah, > Alison, Matthew (my grandfather), Allan, Marian, Agnes, Mary. > > If anyone thinks we may have an ancestor in common I would love to hear from them. > > Betty. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Some of my ancestors came from Cumbernauld and I would like to know how to obtain some historical information about the area and maybe pictures. One of my gg grandfathers was James STIRLING, born in ? Cumbernauld or ? Denny, married Marg McKENZIE of St Ninian in 1802. They had the following children: Margaret, Alexander, Helen, Agnes, Janet, Marian, Mary and William (my g grandfather). Both my gg grandfather and g grandfather were colliery 'engine keepers'. My other gg grandfather was William MARSHALL, born about 1779 in Cumbernauld. He married Isabelle STIRLING in 1813. They had the following children: ?William, Allan Stirling, Sarah Allan, Agnes, Allan, Matthew, William, Elizabeth ----there are probably more children however another Wm Marshall and Isobelle Stirling married in Cumbernauld in 1824 and I cannot decide which children belong to which marriage. (The Stirlings and Marshalls seemed to be very active at marrying each other). My William Marshall was a farmer. William STIRLING married Elizabeth MARSHALL in 1848 and they had 14 children. James (died as a baby) Isabella, Margaret, Elizabeth, Janet, William, Sarah, Alison, Matthew (my grandfather), Allan, Marian, Agnes, Mary. If anyone thinks we may have an ancestor in common I would love to hear from them. Betty. > > > > >

If you haven't visited Cynid's list for Scotland lately, check it out: http://www.cyndislist.com/scotland.htm#People Barb Lewis _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

This kind person has offered to do look-ups on Monumental Inscriptions (MIs) in Dunbartonshire: apmcm@nex.net.au Found on Cyndi's list Barb Lewis _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hello All, Just to let you know, if you haven't heard already, that the Glasgow & West of Scotland have changed their URL. Their website is now at: http://www.gwsfhs.org.uk/ Regards Ernie Harkness

Hello all Could someone help me out with some information regarding the Canadian Pacific Railroad. My grandfather William Gallacher worked on the railroad. I don't have a clue when either before WW1 or after, he is on the 1891 census as a 16 year old, and I know that he did serve in WW1, he was from Alexandria/Bonhill, I am wondering if perhaps a few or large number of men from the area would have gone to work in Canada also. Would they not have needed the equivalent of a passport of letter of identification to gain entry into the country? Would anyone have a suggestion as to where to try and find the information I am looking for. Any assistance would be really appreciated. Regards Nancy

Peg, I don't know the answer to that, but I'm often into Old Kilpatrick records...let me know if you need a look-up. Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: poberbeck <poberbeck@asapnet.net> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: BURNS and BURNSIDES > Hi everyone, > > I am researching the BURNS name in Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton. I have > noticed that in the 1700's there are many BURNSIDES. After 1800, there > are more spelled BURNS. Could this be the same name? > > Peg > Wisconsin > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hi everyone, I am researching the BURNS name in Old Kilpatrick, Dunbarton. I have noticed that in the 1700's there are many BURNSIDES. After 1800, there are more spelled BURNS. Could this be the same name? Peg Wisconsin

Date sent: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 07:39:28 -0700 From: "Barbara Lewis" <lewisb@webpipe.net> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Scot's good sense of humor! > Thought y'all might enjoy this: > > When I belonged to a genealogy group in North Little Rock, AR, one of our > members gave a report on her research visit to Edinburgh, Scotland. > She told a clerk at the archives that she was looking for births, > marriages and deaths. The clerk, with a twinkle in his eye, said, "We > call them "HATCHES, MATCHES, and DISPATCHES!" **** An old saw, that one, but still enjoyable! It was formerly used a lot for the newspaper announcements of births, marriages and deaths. I can remember my parents using the term in my childhood, and that was over half a century back! Gordon ****************************** Gordon Johnson, Aberdeen, Scotland. KinHelp - historical surname searches & genealogical services: http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm Home page (+ Scottish material)- http://www.ifb.co.uk/~kinman/ ******************************

HI George I found this in the 1871 census Kilmarnock Croftamie James Dick Head M 46 occ Miller and Grocer employing 2 men b.Kilmarnock Helen Wife M 32 b. Port of Monteith, Perth John son 2 b.Kilmarnock Mary McNeil serv. Unm 23 occ General Servant b. Port of Monteith, Perth Karen

Hi Rosemary, I found this Melvin in the 1871 census. Cardross 18 West Bridge Margaret Melvin Head Mar 37 occ: keeps house b. Glasgow John son 12 scholar b. Dumbarton Agnes dau 10 scholar b. Dumbarton Catherine dau 6 scholar b. Dumbarton William son 3 b. Dumbarton Karen in warming up S. Ontario

Hi list, Is it possible that someone has access to the 1841 census for Kirkintilloch, Dunbarton Co.? I would like to know if my gggg Grandparents were still there to determine when they (or he) joined their daughter in America. All six of their children appear to have been born there. gggg GF was William Fergus b. 1762, wife Margaret marion Rochead He had died in NY state by 1847, but I have found no record of him or her in NY prior to that. They had 2 sons William b. 1791, Andrew b. 1796, who were likely listed seperately. I assume the daughters married (maybe I shouldn't, it was 159 years ago though). Thanks a lot, Patrick

Hi everyone, Would like to make contact with any descendants of Daniel McMURRICH (b.1826 at Row, son of John McMURRICH & Margaret STUART) and his wife Mary (surname not known). They lived at Helensburgh, and their known children were: 1) Annie Dalgleish McMURRICH b. 1857 2) Russell McMURRICH b. 1858, Blacksmith 3) Barbara McMURRICH 4) William McMURRICH b.circa 1866 Any information on these families would be greatly appreciated. Regards Nancy Campbell Qld. Australia nlcc@optusnet.com.au

Tammy...have you checked the OPR records for the Christenings of any of these folks....if not, I probably can help you with a lookup for that...let me know. Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan and Tammy Lomaki <jtlomaki@northnet.org> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 1980 2:14 PM Subject: MCTURK/MACTURK in Old Kilpatrick > Greetings to all on the list, > > I have recently joined this list because I have found my first link to > Dunbartonshire on an extract of a death register. > > My GGGGrandfather, Thomas Ross McTURK/MacTURK Sr., died on 30 May 1864 at > Ivy Cottage in Old Kilpatrick parish, Dunbartonshire, Scotland. (I have > additional questions about him and about Old Kilpatrick parish, but I > will put them in separate postings.) Below is most of what I know so > far: > > Thomas Ross McTURK/MacTURK Sr. (b. ca. 1798/1799, place unknown) was the > son of Alexander McTURK (farmer) and Sarah CAMERON--both deceased by > 1864. Thomas m. Ann RANKIN/RANKINE on 12 July 1832 in Appin parish, > Argyll Co., Scotland. She d. before 30 May 1864--(I speculate that she > is the Ann MCTURK listed on the Scots Origins index with a death date of > 1862 in Old Kilpatrick, but I am on a limited budget right now, so I > haven't been able to order the extract yet.) > Thomas and Ann McTURK/MacTURK's first three children were all born in > Appin parish, Argyll Co.: > Catharine McTURK/MacTURK, b. 1832; (she may have m. a MCINTYRE) > Alexander McTURK/MacTURK, b. 1834 > John McTURK/MacTURK, b. 1836 > > The next/last known child (my direct ancester), Thomas Ross > McTURK/MacTURK Jr., (b. ca. 1845 in Glasgow, Scotland--according to > information from the 1881 census). He m(1). Margaret CRANMER on 13 Oct > 1865 in Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Thomas (Jr.) and Margaret > McTURK/MacTURK's first child, Thomas McTURK/MacTURK was b. 18 Dec 1865 in > Anderston parish, Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland. Their next three > children (Ann or Anna Bullion b.1868, William b.1870, and Robert Cranmer > b.1872) were b. in Perthshire, Scotland. Their last known child, Jessie > Cameron McTURK/MacTURK was b. in 1875 in Dundee, Angus Co., Scotland. I > have additional information on Thomas, Ann/Anna, and Jessie Cameron > McTURK/MacTURK if anyone sees any connections or would like more info. > > I would be very happy to hear from anyone researching any of these people > or anyone researching any McTURK/MacTURKs anywhere. > > Sincerely, > Tammy Lomaki > St. Lawrence County, New York, USA > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Thought y'all might enjoy this: When I belonged to a genealogy group in North Little Rock, AR, one of our members gave a report on her research visit to Edinburgh, Scotland. She told a clerk at the archives that she was looking for births, marriages and deaths. The clerk, with a twinkle in his eye, said, "We call them "HATCHES, MATCHES, and DISPATCHES!" Anon _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hi everyone, Would like to make contact with any of our Scottish cousins over there who are descendants of William MALCOLM & Jane McFarlane GILLIES, of Bonhill. William & Jane married in 1876, and their known children were: 1) George MALCOLM, b.1876 2) Barbara Stewart MALCOLM, b. 1879, d.USA? m.1) Archibald McQUARRIE m.2) Archibald THOMPSON (son Archibald Thompson) 3) Robert MALCOLM, b.1881 4) Robina Gillies MALCOLM, b.1883 d.1964, m. John McLean BAIRD 5) Chaplin (Chappie) MALCOLM, b. 1885, m. 6) James? MALCOLM, b.1887 7) John Gillies MALCOLM, b.1887 8) Margaret Gillies MALCOLM, b. 1891, m. Frank BATES 9) William MALCOLM, b.1892? 10) Joseph MALCOLM 11) Elspeth MALCOLM, b.1897 m. Roy MORRISON, & emigrated to Tasmania, Aust (Aust descendants) Would be most grateful for any information on any of these families. Nancy Campbell Qld. Australia nlcc@optusnet.com.au

Hi Listers I am resending my research names again as I didn't provide you with any dates. I know so very little about these families. Thomas ANDERSON, his parents were Thomas ANDERSON & Jeanie ANDERSON, (nee SMITH). I think Thomas was born around 1881, at Peebles, but wasn't able to find him on the 1881 Census. Thomas married Jeanie JOLLY in 1902 at Old Kilpatrick County of Dumbarton. Jeanie parents were John JOLLY & Bridget JOLLY (McCORKINDALE) Jeannie was born in 1879 at Hardgate. They had a son John ANDERSON in 1904 at Dalmuir. Another son William was born & then they moved to Australia. Both these people came from large families. I am hoping some of them are still living around that area. Marlene Stone Beautiful Lake Macquarie New South Wales Australia

Hi everyone, I want to thank everyone who has helped me with regards to searching a the FHL. Does anyone know about Rowats? From what my mom can remember they made chutney and pickled things for lack of better words. A Rowat married one of my Grays and my grandmother says they used to say how none of the Grays saw any of that money. How can I find out about this company. I think they started in Kirkintilloch and then perhaps moved to Glasgow or another big city. I`ll repost my names. All from Kirkintilloch. GRAY STIRLING JARVIE ROWAT MCCULLOCH PATERSON LEWSLEY BARRETT DODDS CURRAN? Karen in s. ontario

Date sent: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 21:12:11 -0700 From: "Barbara Lewis" <lewisb@webpipe.net> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: About Scottish Census records... > In case you haven't read this info from the Scotland Research > Outline...there are some interesting items here: > Understanding the Census > > "The Scottish government has taken a census every ten years since 1801 > except in 1941. The censuses from 1841 to 1891 are available for public use. *** WRONG. It was the British government. There was no Scottish government between 1707 and 1999.*** > > You will find the following information in censuses: > > > 1801 to 1831. These censuses contain only statistical information. However, > some parishes compiled lists of names when they gathered the information > needed for the census. ** Wrong. It was not parishes who dealt with the census. It was a national organisation, but in Scotland the local enumeration was placed in the hands of the local schoolmaster. The instructions were for statistics only, but some schoolmasters, in order to be certain that had not missed anyone, compiled private copies showing the names (or in same cases the head of the household), and a few have survived in local authority orr church archives.*** > 1841. The 1841 census was taken on 7 June 1841. It lists each member of > every household with their name, sex, address, occupation, and whether or > not they were born in the county. > The census takers usually rounded the ages of those over fifteen down to a > multiple of five years. For example, someone who was actually fifty-nine > would be listed as fifty-five. ** The rounding down of ages of adults was one of the rules stipulated by the organisers. We get the accurate ages where the enumerator forgot the rules!** <snip> > Searching Census Records > When searching any census records, remember: > > Information may be incorrect. > > Accept the ages with caution. > > Given names may not be the same as the names recorded in church or vital > records. *** Especially note that middle names may be omitted in the census, or reduced to an initial.*** > > Names may be spelled as they sound. > > Place-names may be misspelled. > > If the family is not at the expected address, search the surrounding area. > > When you find your family in one census, search the earlier or later census > records to find additional family members. > > Individuals missing from a family may be listed elsewhere in the census. > > There could be more than one family in the same locality by the same name > with very similar information. Check the census thoroughly. > > There could be surname or street indexes for the locality which can shorten > the search. > > > A woman, especially a widow, might be listed under her maiden name. > > Census Indexes > Since more indexes to the Scottish census are becoming available, it is > always wise to see whether a surname index or a street index exists before > you search the actual census. > > The following source lists some surname and street indexes: > > Gibson, Jeremy, ed. Marriage, Census and Other Indexes for Family > Historians. 6th ed. Birmingham: Federation of Family History Societies, > 1996. (FHL book Ref 942 D22m 1996.) **** It is out of date. Instead, get hold of: Scottish Census Indexes 1841-1871 - a location list, compiled by P. Ruthven- Murray and published by the Scottish Association of FHS, price 2 pounds plus p & p.**** <snip> > 1881 Surname Indexes. The entire 1881 Scottish census has been indexed. Each > county has: > Indexes by surname, birthplace, and census place. ** THis is out of date. The UK 1881 census is now on 25 cd-roms for £29.75 inclusive from the LDS, so you can search that in a number of ways - much more useful. Just note that Sutherland appears in it as Sunderland, England! ** Gordon Johnson (Author of "Census Records for Scottish Families at home and abroad", 3rd. edn. Aberdeen FHS,1996.) Hon.Press Officer for Aberdeen & North East Scotland Family History Society <http://www.rsc.co.uk/anesfhs/> Postal address: 164 King St., Aberdeen AB24 5BD, Scotland.