Wow! Kim, you have a good question here and I surely wish I could help you with it...only to say that in genealogy, anything can happen and anything is possible.....since I'm working on about 20 lines, I have run into this kind of thing a number of times.....your best bet is to connect with someone else in the family that perhaps might have more information than you do. The obvious thing, of course, is that Catherine had two marriages, so Kerr was either a maiden name or another married name, so if you can get her marriage record, it should read "spinster" or widow or whatever....did you get into the actual marriage entry to find that out, or were you just looking into the index...that would not give that kind of information. Barbara Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: Kim Pasquill <football@net2000.com.au> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 12:16 AM Subject: Help Needed with Brick Wall > Hi Everyone, > > I am turning to the list for some ideas on my brick wall. As I am not sure that I am barking up the > right tree. > > My gg grandfather William Walter Anderson states on his marriage certificate in 1862 here in Geelong > Victoria, Australia that he was 22 years old, born in Dumbarton Scotlandand and that his parents > were William Anderson (Carpenter) and Catherine Mc Allum. > > His death certificate gives another story in that his parents are still listed as William Anderson > (Sailor) and Catherine Mc Callum, his place of birth is listed as Glasgow and his year of birth > works out the same as his marriage certificate. > > Now being a faily experienced researcher I have taken the marrige certificate particulars as being > the most correct as it would have been William who supplied the information. > > I then checked the IGI and the Scottish Old Parochial Register on CD at my LDS to see if I could > find a baptism record for William. The only record I could find is: > > William Anderson son of William Anderson and Catherine Kerr baptised 18th Mar 1840 at Bonhill > > I could not find a marriage entry between a William Anderson and a Catherine McAllum/Mc Callum but > did find the marriage entry for William Anderson marrying a Catherine Kerr > > 17th May 1833 at Crichton, Midlothian William Anderson married Catherine Kerr > > I also found this entry in the IGI > > Marrige of Catherine Mc Callum to Alexander Kerr 9th April 1848 at the Gorbals in Lanarkshire. > > Any suggestions on why William would put his mothers maiden name as McAllum/McCallum on his marriage > certificate if her maiden name was Kerr ? For this very reason I am not sure if I should be > persueing this line or not. > > Any help most welcome and appreciated. > -- > Best Wishes > Kim Pasquill > Victoria-AUST > > Email: football@net2000.com.au > > > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

What 1831 Census? Am I missing something here? Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wstjs@aol.com> To: <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 6:05 PM Subject: 1831 census, Cardross > If anyone has easy access to the 1831 census, Cardross parish, I would really > appreciate a lookup for my ancestor and hopefully it will name his children. > Is there an earlier census than 1831? > > Janet Wstjs@aol.com > > _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Date sent: Sat, 05 Feb 2000 00:20:23 -0800 From: "Patrick A. Andrus" <ssl@oregoncoast.com> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Subject: De-coding MI > I want to thank Debbie for doing lookups of MI's. She is very helpful. > > Now, I can figure out most of the one's she found, but can someone help > with this one? > > #166 And Rochead of Dunniblae, 2s Robt at Condorat 18.2.1824 7 > > Is And Andrew? > Is he the 2nd son of Robert? > What is Dunniblae? > What is Condorat? > > Thanks for any explanations > Patrick ** The difficulty is caused by the compilers who abbreviated everything to get as many entries as possible into these MI books. There is a page of explanations at the front of each book, but it does not make everything clear. The number is the sequence in the book, and has no relevance to the burial plot in the cemetery. In the above case, I would read it as probably in the original: "erected by Andrew Rochead of Dunniblae [probably farm name] in memory of his second son, Robert, who died at Condorrat [village in Dumbartonshire] 18th February 1824 aged 7 years." Best of luck, Gordon Johnson Professional Historical/Genealogical Researcher specialising in pre-1700 records. Trading as KinHelp. <http://www.web-ecosse.com/genes/genes2.htm>

If anyone has easy access to the 1831 census, Cardross parish, I would really appreciate a lookup for my ancestor and hopefully it will name his children. Is there an earlier census than 1831? Janet Wstjs@aol.com

I want to thank Debbie for doing lookups of MI's. She is very helpful. Now, I can figure out most of the one's she found, but can someone help with this one? #166 And Rochead of Dunniblae, 2s Robt at Condorat 18.2.1824 7 Is And Andrew? Is he the 2nd son of Robert? What is Dunniblae? What is Condorat? Thanks for any explanations Patrick

Hi Everyone, I am turning to the list for some ideas on my brick wall. As I am not sure that I am barking up the right tree. My gg grandfather William Walter Anderson states on his marriage certificate in 1862 here in Geelong Victoria, Australia that he was 22 years old, born in Dumbarton Scotlandand and that his parents were William Anderson (Carpenter) and Catherine Mc Allum. His death certificate gives another story in that his parents are still listed as William Anderson (Sailor) and Catherine Mc Callum, his place of birth is listed as Glasgow and his year of birth works out the same as his marriage certificate. Now being a faily experienced researcher I have taken the marrige certificate particulars as being the most correct as it would have been William who supplied the information. I then checked the IGI and the Scottish Old Parochial Register on CD at my LDS to see if I could find a baptism record for William. The only record I could find is: William Anderson son of William Anderson and Catherine Kerr baptised 18th Mar 1840 at Bonhill I could not find a marriage entry between a William Anderson and a Catherine McAllum/Mc Callum but did find the marriage entry for William Anderson marrying a Catherine Kerr 17th May 1833 at Crichton, Midlothian William Anderson married Catherine Kerr I also found this entry in the IGI Marrige of Catherine Mc Callum to Alexander Kerr 9th April 1848 at the Gorbals in Lanarkshire. Any suggestions on why William would put his mothers maiden name as McAllum/McCallum on his marriage certificate if her maiden name was Kerr ? For this very reason I am not sure if I should be persueing this line or not. Any help most welcome and appreciated. -- Best Wishes Kim Pasquill Victoria-AUST Email: football@net2000.com.au

Hi Tammy, If your ancestors died in Old Kilpatrick in the 1860's then they are probably buried in Old Kilparick Cemetery. I can't find any 'McTurk' references in the Dunbartonshire MI's however but, as the MI's are mainly pre-1855, it is possible that there may be a headstone. The cemetery records held by West Dunbartonshire Council for Old Kilpatrick don't commence until the early 1870's I believe, so I don't think you are going to have much luck there either. Incidentally, I have recently added to my web page the index of all the MI's for Dunbartonshire but I haven't yet added the name of the cemetery or the relevant inscription. If anyone sees a name they are interested in then I will provide a transcript of the inscription. Please be specific however, I won't take too kindly to anyone requesting transcripts of 'all the Smith entries'!! I also hope to add the Poor Relief applications for the County by the middle of the year. It seems that all the available records are for applications made in Bonhill and Old Kilpatrick only. Cardross applications I believe exist but are unindexed. I don't know about the remaining parishes but intend asking at the National Archives of Scotland in Edinburgh to see if they can be traced. They can be a very valuable source and, if they do exist, must be found!!! Gary Young (Clydebank) gary.young@lineone.net http://website.lineone.net/~gary.young -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan and Tammy Lomaki <jtlomaki@northnet.org> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 February 1980 05:06 Subject: Cemeteries in Old Kilpatrick ca. 1860's? >Hello all listers, > >Two of my MCTURK ancestors died in Old Kilpatrick in the 1860's. Can >anyone tell me which cemetery/cemeteries they might be buried in? > >Thanks for any help, >Tammy Lomaki >jtlomaki@northnet.org -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan and Tammy Lomaki <jtlomaki@northnet.org> To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com <DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 03 February 1980 05:06 Subject: Cemeteries in Old Kilpatrick ca. 1860's? >Hello all listers, > >Two of my MCTURK ancestors died in Old Kilpatrick in the 1860's. Can >anyone tell me which cemetery/cemeteries they might be buried in? > >Thanks for any help, >Tammy Lomaki >jtlomaki@northnet.org > >______________________________

Thought I should list my interests - just in case a 'cousin' has joined the list... James HOOD married Emily FERGUSON in Govan 1905 Parents James HOOD/Martha HANNA James had a brother in the area in 1871 - name not known Samuel FERGUSON/Ann Eliza EWART Both sets of parents married and lived most of life in Antrim Ireland James and Emily seemed to traverse back and forward over the Irish sea too, but then married and settled in and around Dalmuir/Clydebank area. Would love to find kin of their siblings - TIA Milly Banks - Perth Au (aye a Bankie..) emabee@bigfoot.com Researching BANKS/MAUDSLEY/(SLATER)NIXON/WILKES - Eng HOOD/FERGUSON/HANNA/EWART -Sct/Ire MILLS/KIRK - Ire

> -----Original Message----- > From: Lesley M Instone > Sent: Friday, 4 February 2000 10:17 > To: 'Jim Wilson & Dominique Young' > Subject: RE: Child Emigration to Australia > > Hello Dominique > Just a possibility but were there other relatives already out in Australia > and she was sent out to live with them. > You mentioned that she had consumption from an early age. Perhaps the > family thought that a long sea voyage and life in a warmer climate such as > Australia might be beneficial for her health. > My own grandfather (Hugh Miller McCALLUM, born 1883 Helensburgh) had > health problems - "weak chest" - and his mother died from consumption when > he was about 8. He was worked as purser/steward on a couple of voyages to > Spain/Portugal partly in the hope that sea travel and a warmer climate > would help, and was eventually advised to emigrate. He chose Auckland NZ, > arriving about 1911, and lived into his 80s. > Perhaps your great great aunt was also sent south for her health, > particularly if there were other family already in Australia and someone > known to the family emigrating at the same time for her to travel with. > Have you checked shipping records to see who she was with on the ship? > Have you checked for other family already in Australia? > Regards > Lesley Instone > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Wilson & Dominique Young [SMTP:domnjim@cybernet.co.nz] > Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2000 02:25 > To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Child Emigration to Australia > > In 1875 my great great aunt was orphaned in Dumbarton. Two of her siblings > went to live with relatives in Renton and Eastwood..., Renfrewshire. This > 10 > year old child died 15 years later in Australia of consumption that she > had > had since childhood and after being in New South Wales for 15 years. She > was > not an assisted immigrant to Australia. > My query: How did she get to Australia? Would she have been sent by some > philanthropic organisation or orphanage who thought she would benefit from > the warmer climate? I would appreciate any information on such > institutions > that existed at the time. I had my hopes raised that Quarriers Homes from > Bridge of Weir may have been involved but they apparently didn't start > sending children to Australia until pre WW2. > Thank you. > Dominique Young > > ______________________________

Hi Debbie,Does the info on MI's cover all of the shire or Dumbarton proper? Might I ask what other countries? Thanks, Frances Bennett Maddox in Foley nr. GULF SHORES,AL chkfran@gulftel.com ---------- > From: DAHUNTDIX@aol.com > To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: M.I. Look-Ups > Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 11:50 AM > > Hi Everyone :-) > I will be very happy to do look-ups for anyone that is interested. > PLEASE be specific about the person or family and possible location. > I also have some listings from other counties and will be happy to try and > assist. Again, be specific. > > Thank you > Debbie in freeeeeeezing Michigan >

We have had anumbers of new subscribers this week. We want to welcome you to the list and I hope that you will find this list helpful. Barbara Lewis list manager _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

REMINDER: These published M.I.'s are primarily of those who died BEFORE 1855. On occasion, you can find some after, but it is rare. Debbie

Yes, it includes 25 cemeteries in the county of Dunbarton. I also have listings from the following areas: Lanark Renfrewshire Inverness East and West Lochaber and Skye Kilmarnock and Loudon district Carrick, Ayrshire New cumnock, Ayrshire Angus 4 volumnes Please be specific Debbie

Hi Everyone :-) I will be very happy to do look-ups for anyone that is interested. PLEASE be specific about the person or family and possible location. I also have some listings from other counties and will be happy to try and assist. Again, be specific. Thank you Debbie in freeeeeeezing Michigan

Hi Listers, I have just joined this site and I am new with computers. I have looking for anyone with connections to Andrew McKindlay and Susanna Clarke married 1804 Cardross. TIA Elaine Lee.

Listers, please don't respond to me(Barb Lewis) but to Ann..see address below. Thanks so much. My name is ann\ floyd\ mcmillan born 1940 in dumbarton My husband is charlie\chick\ mcmillan also from Dumbarton just trying to find anyone who may have went to school with either of us or knew us ann&charlie 41291933@3web.net _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Thanks to Debbie...she has the MIs and will do the look-ups! "I have a copy of the published M.I.'s for Dunbartonshire and I would be happy to do some look-ups. Let em know if I can be of some help." Debbie in FREEZING Michigan DAHUNTDIX@aol.com _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

In 1875 my great great aunt was orphaned in Dumbarton. Two of her siblings went to live with relatives in Renton and Eastwood..., Renfrewshire. This 10 year old child died 15 years later in Australia of consumption that she had had since childhood and after being in New South Wales for 15 years. She was not an assisted immigrant to Australia. My query: How did she get to Australia? Would she have been sent by some philanthropic organisation or orphanage who thought she would benefit from the warmer climate? I would appreciate any information on such institutions that existed at the time. I had my hopes raised that Quarriers Homes from Bridge of Weir may have been involved but they apparently didn't start sending children to Australia until pre WW2. Thank you. Dominique Young

Karon was not the person who did the MI look-ups...I got things confused. I don't know who the person is...Karon is the kind person who pointed out to me that the E-mail address didn't work. My apologies to Karon. Barb Lewis Dunbartonshire Scotland GenWeb Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net

Hi listers....evidently Karon Hamilton who did the MI look-ups for us has changed her address or is no longer in business. I know had her do some look-ups for me about a year ago. If anyone has her new address or any other info about this, let us all know. Barb Lewis Dunbartonshire Scotland GenWeb Home Page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm _______________________________________________________ Site Design, Hosting, and E-Commerce at www.webpipe.net