Hi Everyone This is my first request to the list and I am seeking the birth of my Grandfather. Altho the family are Irish and I have good contact with that branch I understand his parents moved and worked at the shipyards at CLYDEBANK, Dunbartonshire at which time he and perhaps other siblings were born. His name was JAMES BROWN although I understand the family at that time spelt it BROWNE and certainly that spelling is on the marriage certificate of his parents who were JOHN BROWNE and MARGARET BROWNE nee BLAIR His date of birth is FEBRUARY 27th 1870. His death certificate tells me born NORTH OF ENGLAND but declared on my mothers birth certificate as GLASGOW, SCOTLAND Siblings names who could have also been born at Clydebank were ROBERT JOHN, SAMUEL, THOMAS HENRY, and ELIZABETH, as I have the Irish info for the births of the rest of the family. My James Browne was brought up in Northern Ireland but must have spent some time in Glasgow as a young man as I have a photograph taken of him wearing a "Lodge Regalia" The Photographer was "Hampton Brothers" 2 WT Campbell Street, Glasgow. James came to New Zealand c before 1895, family history tells me he was a BOXER known as SMILEY. He married my Grandmother in January 1895 and I can track him from then. Any kind sole who can suggest where to start looking for his birth certificate would be most welcome. Thankyou Val rangval@xtra.co.nz

Hi everyone I`ve just recieved my death certificate for Walter Stirling and it says his parents are James STIRLING and Jean FERGUSON. Does anyone know of these people and perhaps any siblings Walter had.I`m assuming his parents are from Kirkintilloch. Karen on cloud nine.

Hi Listers, For those of you with forebears in the Vale of Leven, the Turkey Red Trust site has been updated with new graphics and information about the lives of the workers etc. It's at: www.geocities.com/turkeyredtrust/ Nancy

Searching John FRASER b.about 1777 at Finnart, Row, married 1823 at Row to Janet McKENZIE b. about 1791 at Roseneath Dunbartonshire. Known children; Donald b.1824, John b.1825 (came to Australia), Mary b.1828,James Colquhoun b.1829, Amuel Campbell b.1831 (also came to Australia), Janet b.1834, Robert b.1834.

Hi T, > Must be 4 o'clock! I don't know your name, no > signature on your message. T. is how I sign my email. > > Thank you for offering the birth records from Row, Dunbarton. > However, I would like to offer a suggestion. Writing the dates the > way you have (above) doesn't make the information posted very clear, > they were not written like that on the OPR films I have read. Can > you post future entries exactly as they appear on the record? > Requires more typing I know but it would help. > > Dates should be, DAY, month and year, preferably with the month > spelled out and would say something like : born Third (or 3rd.) > Septr. and baptized Sixth (or 6th) Septr. 1805. Sometimes they even > say 'baptized by' ......... does it say who the minister was in 1805, > in the entry or perhaps at the begining of the entries? All the little > extra bits do make a difference. Not all the records are that way. I admit I did use shortcuts as it was late and I was tired.. but 9/3 and 9/6 were Sept 3 and Sept 6 as it appears on the record. Also the copy I have is really small (so I could fit all the info on the page) so it makes it harder to read. As for the minister.. nope it doesn't give that information. I type what I see in the entries.. I only can't type in what I can't read.. if I can sorta figure it out I'll try and guess but I'll note that as well. I've found that there is no standardization to the records, they are written in whatever format the recorder chose to use. Anyone that has any questions about it may email me. > > regards, > > Maureen Kuzyk > Looking for information on: O.C.H.I.L.T.R.E.E, M.c.C.r.i.g.h.t, G.r.e.g.o.r.y, B.i.s.h.o.p, M.c.I.n.t.y.r.e, L.e.n.n.o.x, G.o.r.d.o.n, T.u.r.n.e.r and L.e.i.t.h.

Please bear in mind that the copies I have are off of microfilm, so > parts are hard to read. > As I am able, I will post some of the names. > Births: 1805-1806 > > John, son of Agnes Donaldson and Archibald McNaughton <??> > B 9/3/1805; C 9/6 Hi T, Must be 4 o'clock! I don't know your name, no signature on your message. Thank you for offering the birth records from Row, Dunbarton. However, I would like to offer a suggestion. Writing the dates the way you have (above) doesn't make the information posted very clear, they were not written like that on the OPR films I have read. Can you post future entries exactly as they appear on the record? Requires more typing I know but it would help. Dates should be, DAY, month and year, preferably with the month spelled out and would say something like : born Third (or 3rd.) Septr. and baptized Sixth (or 6th) Septr. 1805. Sometimes they even say 'baptized by' ......... does it say who the minister was in 1805, in the entry or perhaps at the begining of the entries? All the little extra bits do make a difference. regards, Maureen Kuzyk

February 21, 2000 Hello Listers: Would appreciate hearing from (or about) the living descendents of the brothers and sisters of the following: Pertinent information as follows: l881 Census Dwelling: Marywell Census Place: St. Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Robert HOUSTON dob: l874 bp: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland John W. HOUSTON dob: Dec. 26, l875 bp: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Charles M. HOUSTON dob: l878, bp: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Elspeth S. HOUSTON dob: l879 bp: Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Mary Jane HOUSTON dob: l881 bp: St. Vigeans, Forfar, Scotland Parents of these children: Robert Wilson HOUSTON dob: l853 bp: Renfrew, Renfrew, Scotland Elspeth (McDonald) HOUSTON dob: l854, bp: Cromdale, Banff, Scotland Parents married: Dec. 31, 1873 mp: Lossiemouth The parents Robert and Elspeth were living in Dunbarton in l9l5 when their son John Wilson Houston married my grandmother Jessica REID in Halifax, Nova Scotia. Any input would be appreciated. Thank you Regards, Trish Lange Gardena, California

G'day Lesley, > Does anyone on the list know when this yacht was moored at Roseneath or what > year the "Shamrock" challenged for the Cup (it lost of course). I presume it > would be somewhere around 1900, and that Granddad would have been in his > late teens or perhaps early 20s. There were unfortunately 5 Shamrocks, the first challenge being 1899. Providing it did not have a II to V after its name it would have been this one. You might find out more on the web site www.americascup.com HURU Mike CALDER (Sydney, Australia) Main Research: CALDER, DIXON, GRACIE, TUSON http://www.zipworld.com.au/~mcalder

My grandfather, Hugh Miller McCALLUM (born 1883 Helensburgh, son of Donald McCALLUM & Margaret CUTHILL), in his memoirs, mentioned that he and a couple of close friends one day rowed across from Helensburgh to Roseneath and had a look at a yacht, the "Shamrock" moored at Roseneath which either had been or was about to challenge for the America's Cup. Granddad said it was challenging for the "Lipton Cup" but I think he meant the yacht was owned by Sir ? Lipton and challenging for the America's Cup. As the America's Cup is being contested in Auckland NZ at present (between New Zealand and Italy), this reminded me that I have been meaning to narrow down the date when Granddad and his friends went over to Roseneath. (They got back to Helensburgh safely but it took them a bit longer than they thought it would). Does anyone on the list know when this yacht was moored at Roseneath or what year the "Shamrock" challenged for the Cup (it lost of course). I presume it would be somewhere around 1900, and that Granddad would have been in his late teens or perhaps early 20s. My Grandfather emigrated to NZ in 1911 after several years of ill-health, in the hope that the climate would be better for him (he lived into his 80s), so I would think that the rowing over to Roseneath would be some years earlier. Any ideas on the dates? Lesley Isntone Invercargill New Zealand

I have been away from the list for awhile and now that I am back I am reposting my interests. I am looking for information on HIGGINS that have lived in and around the Dunbarton area. I also recently found out that my great grandmother's brother, William GRIEVE moved from Greenock, Renfrew to Row, Dumbarton. William GRIEVE was born 6 Dec 1848 in Greenock, Renfrew, Sct. He married Agnes Maitland GEMMILL (b. 13 May 1852 in Girvan, Ayr, Sct) in Jul 1871 in Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Sct. They had the following children: Mary Harvey GRIEVE (b. 11 Jan 1872 in Tradeston, Glasgow, Lanark, Sct.) Thomas GRIEVE (b. 25 Mar 1873 in Hutchesontown, Glasgow, Lanark, Sct.) Isabella GRIEVE (b. 20 Nov 1874 in Row, Dunbarton, Sct.) Agnes GRIEVE (b. 1877 in Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Sct.) Jane G. GRIEVE (b. 1878 in Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Sct.) Jemima G. GRIEVE (b. 1881 in Helensburgh, Dunbarton, Sct.) On the 1881 census the family is found living at 178 E. Princes St. Row, Dumbarton, Scotland. William GRIEVE is aged 31 and working as a Tinsmith. Anyone with connections or information on these families? TIA Here's hoping. Janet Tennent Kensington, Maryland USA

Hello T.M. Any references to anyone names McCALLUM, CHALMERS, ARROLL, McAUSLAN (or variants) or MacFARLANE would be appreciated. I have seen the OPR for Row some time ago and I think I noted all the McCALLUMs and CHALMERS but am not sure if I got the other ones as some of them are from collateral lines I did not find out about until later. Thanks for the offer Regards Lesley Instone Invercargill NZ > -----Original Message----- > From: T.M. [SMTP:keaulanam@hawaii.rr.com] > Sent: Sunday, 20 February 2000 09:45 > To: DUNBARTONSHIRE-GENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Row Dunbarton -Births- Campbell, McGregor, Cochran, Turner, > McMurrich > > I have copies of some of the old parish records from Parish #503 > (Row). Since I have copied the pages I needed from the OPR, there > are other names on the pages that may be of interest. > > Please bear in mind that the copies I have are off of microfilm, so > parts are hard to read. > > As I am able, I will post some of the names. > > > Births: 1805-1806 > > John, son of Agnes Donaldson and Archibald McNaughton <??> > B 9/3/1805; C 9/6 > > Martha Campbell daughter lawful to Hugh McGregor and Grace ?? > Spouse at Archibald Inn B 10/21805 and C 10/16 > > Archibald son lawful to Archibald Cochran and Mary McMunich > spouses in ? born 10/12/1805 adn baptised 10/16. > > Janet daughter lawful to Duncan Turner and Janet McMurrich > spouses in Mirkle balernaig was born 11/22/1805 and C 11/24. > Looking for information on: > O.C.H.I.L.T.R.E.E, M.c.C.r.i.g.h.t, G.r.e.g.o.r.y, B.i.s.h.o.p, > M.c.I.n.t.y.r.e, L.e.n.n.o.x, G.o.r.d.o.n, > T.u.r.n.e.r and L.e.i.t.h. > > ______________________________

Hi Listers I have sent the listing for her Rae to Karen Regards Mary Karen Fox wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone have the 1881 census that they could look up James Rae at 71 Hillhead St. Kirkintilloch. Born in Glasgow. May have children John, Christina and Margaret iving with him. He`d be about 70. > Thanks in advance. > Karen

I have ordered the film for the 1851 census for Row. It should arrive in a couple of weeks, and I would be willing to do look ups. I would ask that you request a one or two individual names, and not ask for a lookup of an entire surname. Thanks.. T. Looking for information on: O.C.H.I.L.T.R.E.E, M.c.C.r.i.g.h.t, G.r.e.g.o.r.y, B.i.s.h.o.p, M.c.I.n.t.y.r.e, L.e.n.n.o.x, G.o.r.d.o.n, T.u.r.n.e.r and L.e.i.t.h.

Just want to say thank you to eveyone who gave me the info on James Rae. He aged 16 years since the 1871 census. Thanks again, you`re all so kind! Karen

I have copies of some of the old parish records from Parish #503 (Row). Since I have copied the pages I needed from the OPR, there are other names on the pages that may be of interest. Please bear in mind that the copies I have are off of microfilm, so parts are hard to read. As I am able, I will post some of the names. Births: 1805-1806 John, son of Agnes Donaldson and Archibald McNaughton <??> B 9/3/1805; C 9/6 Martha Campbell daughter lawful to Hugh McGregor and Grace ?? Spouse at Archibald Inn B 10/21805 and C 10/16 Archibald son lawful to Archibald Cochran and Mary McMunich spouses in ? born 10/12/1805 adn baptised 10/16. Janet daughter lawful to Duncan Turner and Janet McMurrich spouses in Mirkle balernaig was born 11/22/1805 and C 11/24. Looking for information on: O.C.H.I.L.T.R.E.E, M.c.C.r.i.g.h.t, G.r.e.g.o.r.y, B.i.s.h.o.p, M.c.I.n.t.y.r.e, L.e.n.n.o.x, G.o.r.d.o.n, T.u.r.n.e.r and L.e.i.t.h.

Hi everyone, Does anyone have the 1881 census that they could look up James Rae at 71 Hillhead St. Kirkintilloch. Born in Glasgow. May have children John, Christina and Margaret iving with him. He`d be about 70. Thanks in advance. Karen

Is anyone researching the Cockburn family of Kilmaronock, Dunbartonshire? I belong to the family of John Cockburn and Janet Buchanan who married in 1779, Dumbarton Parish, Dunbarton. So far, I have found no one working on this family or surname. I hope to make a connection Debbie in Michigan

I am researching the following Currie family in both counties. The children were all born in Dunbartonshire, either Kilmaronock or Bonhill. Mathew Currie m Mary Cockburn 1830 ..Janet b. 1831 (m. John Hunter 1853 Old Kilpatrick) ..Margaret b. 1833 ..Mary b. 1835 ..Daniel b. 1837 (m. Elizabeth Lindsay 1868 Blythswood) ..John Buchanan b. 1840 ..Matthew b. 1843 ..James b. 1846 I hope to make a connection :-)) Debbie in Michigan

I just want to apologize to the people that asked for 1871 census look ups and didn`t get anything. Believe me when I say I tried and tried to find something. This was a much harder task then I had anticipated. Once again my sincerest apologies. Karen

As I've just rejoined after a break, I once again present my three links to Dunbartonshire :- > >1 My mother served as a VAD at Drymen Hospital during WWII > >2 My grandfather E Stewart COOK and family lived in Helensburgh from >before1921, when my younger aunt was born, until the mid 1946 weddings >of his two daughters, after which Grandpa moved to Fife with his elder >daughter and son-in-law. (His wife Jessie BUCHANAN of Renfrew stock, >had died in 1934) > >3 His mother-in-law Isabella BUCHANAN {nee COLQUHOUN} was born in >Row parish (Garelochhead) on 24 April 1857, the youngest of 6 children >born to Richard COLQUHOUN {Engineer in Steamer} and Isabella >BUCHANAN, who were married in Row parish in 1845. > >Genealogically speaking, I am most interested in any links to this >last family - other children were Agnes b 1845, Catherine b 1846, >Christina b 1848, Richard bc 1851 and Margaret bc 1852. The first >three were also born in Row parish, but the last two were christened >in Rothesay, Bute, before the family reappeared in Garelochhead for >Isabella's birth. The parents : Richard COLQUHOUN may have been >born in Glasgow, while Isabella BUCHANAN was born in Kilbrandon, >Argyll. Peter Cook Rossmoyne Western Australia cookfmly@bigpond.com http://users.bigpond.com/cookfmly/ or http://cookfmly.rootsweb.com/ for research names List owner of the ButeshireGenWeb, SCT-RENFREW & SCT-ARGYLL mailing lists.