Yes, Debbie is right......send copies of certificates for Sue's site...I have sent in about 100 myself and am grateful that she has that site.... Barb Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debbie Derrick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 1:29 PM Subject: [DUNB] Extra certificates/Scottish BDM Exchange > Check for your people on the Scottish BDM Exchange - > http://www.sctbdm.com/ > > Sue runs an excellent web site there, and I always enter the contents of > all my certificates to her site. > > to date I have uploaded in excess of 500 births, marriages and deaths, > from my collection, a lot of them covering Dunbartonshire and the Glasgow > area, so it's worthwhile checking to see if there is anything there that > may be of interest to you. > > Debbie > > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Check for your people on the Scottish BDM Exchange - http://www.sctbdm.com/ Sue runs an excellent web site there, and I always enter the contents of all my certificates to her site. to date I have uploaded in excess of 500 births, marriages and deaths, from my collection, a lot of them covering Dunbartonshire and the Glasgow area, so it's worthwhile checking to see if there is anything there that may be of interest to you. Debbie

This is the last of the extra certificates that I downloaded from Scotland's People. Pat Deaths: Robert Carrick, Age 14, single, 10 June 1880, 9:30 am, at 55 Wigson Street, Glasgow. Parents- Robert Carrick, Grate Fitter (Journeyman) & Jane Carrick, m/s Faulds. Cause of death: Bronchitis (1 month & 14 days) As certified by John Dougan, Surgeon. Informant- Robert Carrick, father, present. Alexander Johnston, Age 56, (mine) Canal Bridgekeeper, married to Christina Wilson, 10 June 1880, 8:55 am, at Bridge House, Foxhill Road, Glasgow. Parents- John Johnston, Canal Bridge Keeper (deceased) & Jane Johnston, m/s McLeod (deceased) Cause of death: Paralysis, Heppatitis, Dropsy. As certified by D. Maclean, M.D. Informant- John Johnston, son (present). James McGregor, Age 2, single, 9 June 1880, 9:15 pm, at 24 Posoil Road, Glasgow. Parents- John McGregor, Joiner (master) & Betsy McGregor, m/s Carmichael. Cause of death- Congestion of the Bowel. As certified by W. Chalmers, Surgeon. Informant John McGregor, father, present. Christina Johnston (mine), age 57, Widow of Alexander Johnston, Canal Bridge Keeper, 12 February 1882, 0:30 pm, at 91 Doncaster Street, Glasgow. Parents- William Wilson, Flour miller (deceased) & Janet Wilson, formerly Wilson, m/s/Purdon (deceased). Cause of death-Chronic Bronchitis. As certified by Thos. Richmond, Surgeon. Informant- John Johnston, son, present. Annie Craig Stirling, age 11 months, single, 13 February 1882, 0:45 pm, at 27 Dick Street, Glasgow. Parents- George Stirling, Boatyard Labourer & Jeanie Fulton Stirling, m/s Taylor. Cause of death- Hooping (sic) Cough, 21 days, Convulsions, 1 day. As certified by William Pearson, Surgeon. Informant- Jeanie F. Stirling, mother, present. Charles Heanney, age 54, Shoemaker (master), married to 1st Agnes McArthur, 2nd Jane Cameron, 12 February 9:00 pm, at 171 West graham Street, Glasgow. Parents- James Heanney, Shoemaker (deceased) & Lydia Heanney, m/s Wilson (deceased). Cause of death- Probably Cardiac Disease. As certified by Robert Lees (unable to read his designation). Informant- Charles Heanney, son, present of 283 High Street. Jane Morton Pillar (mine), widow of William George Pillar, Firecaly Miner, age 74, 16 August 1937, 7:00 pm, at 16 South Bank, Glenboig, New Monkland. Parents- Samuel Armstrong, Brickwork labourer (deceased) & Maria Armstrong, m/s Currie (deceased). Cause of death- Senility. As certified by J.B. Moffatt, LRCP.E Informant- Samuel Pillar, son, present. Janet Addie, formerly a dressmaker, single, age 82, 17 August 1937, 7:50 pm, Manfield, 138 Clark Street, Airdrie, Lanarkshire. Parents- James Addie, farmer (deceased) & Annie Addie, m/s Morrison (deceased). Cause of death- Arterioscleroses, Cerebal Haemorrhage. As certified by Alex Macintyre, MB Chs. Informant- William Cullen, nephew, present. Margaret Weir, widow of Thomas Weir, Coalminer, age 85, 19 August 10:00 am, at 83 Bell Street, Airdrie, Lanarkshire. Parents- John Davidson, Pit Shanker (deceased) & Barbara Davidson, m/s Hamilton (deceased). Cause of death- Senile Decay, Acute Cardiac Failure. Seen after death by W.H. Kinatrie, MB ChB. Informant- John Weir, son, of 20 Woodburn Avenue, Airdrie. Nine more to come after I feed my insides!

By coincidence, I posted this to another list a couple of days ago: I agree with what Barbara has said. Quote The way I interpret this is that it is not unlawful to trade information, by writing the information down and sharing it, but that it is unlawful to reproduce a certificate for which a fee has to be paid and reproduce it with another. We know of course that people do and the legislation is in place in the event of serious breach http://www.opsi.gov.uk/advice/crown-copyright/copyright-guidance/copyright-in-public-records.htm Unpublished public records and those open for public inspection are reproducible freely under waiver of copyright. This guidance explains how this works in practice. What is meant by Waiver 5. For those Public Records which are subject to waiver, users may copy, quote, index, transcribe, publish and broadcast the text of Crown Material in all formats and media throughout the world without: payment of a fee or royalty; or requiring a specific licence or approval. The reproduction of images, including copies of documents, is not covered by the waiver (see paragraph 14). 6. The waiver of copyright is, however, subject to the following conditions being observed: that the source of the Crown Material is provided by quoting the archival document reference and the name of the Public Record Repository where the records are held on any copies of the material which are to be made available to the public and in any publication or broadcast reproducing or using the Material; that the material is not used in a misleading context or in a derogatory manner; that a complimentary copy of the Work is supplied to the Controller and/or the Public Record Repository where the Crown Material is held. In the case of electronic products and publications which reproduce Public Records, the Controller and/or the Public Record Repository should be provided with an appropriate end-user licence and password access. Tradeable Information 14. The waiver of Crown copyright does not apply to Public Records which fall within the scope of Tradeable Information, which will be subject of a separate Guidance Note to be issued by HMSO. The following material falls within the scope of Tradeable Information: a.. unpublished records of the Ordnance Survey, the Ordnance Survey of Northern Ireland and the United Kingdom Hydrographic Office, which form the basis of maps, charts, mapping data and other related publications. b.. Microfilm, microfiche, digital form and photographic copies of Public Records created by Public Record Repositories but not the data which they contain. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lewis" <[email protected]> > Hi listers...yesterday someone wrote and asked if it was Ok to post the info from certificates received from Scotland's People on this mailing list ...I know that some of you ahve done that already.......here is a response I received from Meg Greenwood, whom I have worked with in Wigtownshire records(below): Barbara Lewis, Dunbartonshire mailing list and GenWeb site hostess

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/1264.1.2.1 Message Board Post: that would be great. Thanks

Hi listers...yesterday someone wrote and asked if it was Ok to post the info from certificates received from Scotland's People on this mailing list ...I know that some of you ahve done that already.......here is a response I received from Meg Greenwood, whom I have worked with in Wigtownshire records(below): Barbara Lewis, Dunbartonshire mailing list and GenWeb site hostess most definitely it is OK to post the details from any ScotPeeps registration [certificates]. The only copyright issue is if you post the IMAGE of the registration. It's their image, not their data. She can also send the details to Sue Lund with FreeBMD. Here is the place to send them, its on Sue's website at the bottom of this message posted only a few days ago. She sends notices to the varioius county Mailing lists when she's added another pack of names. She accepts single registrations [B, M and Ds] or a batch of names. Thanks for asking, this was a question I could answer without looking something up ! MegG ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hello! A quick update on the data held at Scotland's Birth Death and Marriage Exchange - 42875 records in total. www.sctbdm.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: orr,liddell,tod/d,mcriner,crawford,gye,mills Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/648.2 Message Board Post: i have these 2 names in my tree not realted as per marriage, but im sure they were in paisley b4 1900. i know my liddels come from airdrie/new monkland. my orr family came from ireland and came to scotland around 1885 time. my mother is an orr. and my fathers grandmother is the liddell.

Would anyone be researching the HAY surname from Cumbernauld, Dunbartonshire? Pat Marshall Ontario, Canada

Hi Pam et al, Sorry I can't shed any light on Cloddach, but I'm interested in Alexander Mathieson's memoirs: I've got a database of Mathiesons of all spellings in Glasgow and surrounding counties (AYR, BUT, ARL, DNB, RFW, LKS, STI), and am aware that Janet Ewing's husband, George Mathieson was a printer and died in Lennoxtown, Campsie Parish in 1845. Do son Alexander's memoirs shed any light on his father's life, parentage, place of birth etc? I've got no other info on George other than the OPR info on his marriage to Janet and the births of their 8 children, and a snippet from Campsie Parish MIs that he died on 7 Mar 1845 aged 81 and as a church elder for many years. However, I have seen Janet's Death Cert, and it gives her parents as Peter Ewing, farmer (dec), & Janet Rodger (dec). Regards, Ken Mathieson, Uddingston, LKS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam Hamlyn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: [DUNB] RODGERS of Cloddach > Alexander MATHIESON, the brother of my 3 x gt. grandmother, wrote in his memoirs that his mother, Janet EWING was descended from the EWINGs of Keppoch and the RODGERs of Cloddach. I've found a bit on Keppoch but the only Cloddach I can find is in Moray. Has anyone come across a Cloddach in Dunbartonshire? > > Pam > New Zealand > > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/WeC.2ACI/1255.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Joyce. The Irish link seems quite possibe, as the David Craig (offspring of Walter Craig and Barbara Paxton) married Janet Murray, who WAS from Ireland. Hope this helps in some way, Tracey

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/mbexec/msg/5538/WeC.2ACI/1255.2 Message Board Post: I do. Barbara Paxton married Walter Craig and caused me one of the biggest headaches of my research so far! Any info you have would be greatly appreciated, and I'll send you back anything I've got that would help you.

Alexander MATHIESON, the brother of my 3 x gt. grandmother, wrote in his memoirs that his mother, Janet EWING was descended from the EWINGs of Keppoch and the RODGERs of Cloddach. I've found a bit on Keppoch but the only Cloddach I can find is in Moray. Has anyone come across a Cloddach in Dunbartonshire? Pam New Zealand

Hello List, I have been trying to find out when my 3X Great Grandmother AGNES CAMPBELL nee KELLY died. She was the wife of ALEXANDER CAMPBELL they were both born in Wigtownshire. Alexander Campbell born bet 1796 - 1798 in Wigtownshire, Scotland. He died May 5, 1864 at 129, High Street, Dumbarton Alexander Campbell was the son of Andrew Campbell and Janet McNeish Agnes Kelly born Bet. 1801 - 1802 in Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, Scotland was the daughter of GILBERT KELLY and JANE NIELSON. Alexander Campbell Shoemaker and Agnes Kelly were the parents of JEAN CAMPBELL born 1821 in Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, Scotland. she died before 1826 ALEXANDER CAMPBELL born August 4, 1824 in Kirkcolm, he died before 1834. JANE/JEAN CAMPBELL born May 26, 1826 in Kirkcolm, she died March 2, 1868 at 97, High Street, Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland. JESSIE ROBERTSON nee CAMPBELL born Bet. 1827 - 1831 in Kilmarnock Ayrs, Scotland. She died March 8, 1868 at 97, High Street, Dumbarton, Scotland. AGNES CAMPBELL born Bet 1828 - 1835 in Kilmarnock Ayrs, Scotland. She died January 22, 1873 in Dumbarton. MARGARET CAMPBELL born bet 1830 - 1831 Kilmarnock Ayrs, Scotland. she died Aft. June 7, 1841 in Kirkcolm Village, Wigtown, Scotland. MARY ANN CAMPBELL born November 15, 1832 Kirkcolm, Wigtown, Scotland. not known what happened to her aft 1851 Census. ALEXANDER CAMPBELL born December 11, 1834 Kirkcolm, died June 17, 1855 at London Rd, McCulloch Place, Stranraer, Scotland. My 2X Great Grandfather ANDREW CAMPBELL born February 6, 1837 Kirkcolm, He died 1908 in Wallsend, Northumberland, England. GILBERT AND WILLIAM CAMPBELL (Twins) born March 1, 1839 Kirkcolm, Gilbert died July 30, 1856 at 2, College Street, Dumbarton, what happened to William? ISABELLA CAMPBELL born August 13, 1841 Kirkcolm, must have died not long after. HUGH CAMPBELL born bet 1846-1847 Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland. He died June 4, 1922 at 14, Burnside Street, Dumbarton. ROBERT CAMPBELL born abt 1853 Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland. died Aft 1861 in 129, High Street, Dumbarton? MARGARET CAMPBELL born abt 1854 Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland. She died June 25, 1856 at 2, College Street, Dumbarton. Please if someone could help find out when and where AGNES CAMPBELL nee KELLY died. I would think that Agnes Campbell died after 1861 but before 1868. I would appriciate a look up in the M.I,s For Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire, Scotland. I have been looking on the Scotlands People Site for many years now but can not seem to find her. Thank you in advance for any Help I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

Pam, One of the best places to search for old place names can be found at http://www.old-maps.co.uk enter the name you're looking for in place names or address. Cloddach is shown in Moray with spelling variations in other places. For Keppoch there are a number of places within SCT. HTH Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Henderson McLeod Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/1323 Message Board Post: I am looking for anyone researching Norman McLeod Henderson, son of Andrew Alexander Henderson and Anna Bella McLeod. siblings Catherine, Andrew & Jessie. Regards Drew Davidson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/1322.1.1.1 Message Board Post: Hi Jim You have the wrong one, Jean Allan nee Morson was married to John Allan my G,G, Grandparents, but thank you very much for your help. James Allan was married to Elizabeth Ann Batty a Sunderland lass it is this mariage I am seeking. Regards Allan. 17/04/06 14:16pm.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/1322.1.2 Message Board Post: Hi Jay His wife was Elizabeth Ann Batty a Sunderland Co Durham lass, as James was a seaman I think he will have married in Sunderland but you never know, maybe they never married at all. If you can shed any light on this, its just great I have tried all over. Regards Allan. 17/04/06 14:03pm

Hi Barbara Looks great! Text size is fine, even for my ageing eyes! Could perhaps do with a map which includes the Roseneath peninsula (or have I missed it?!) since Roseneath is included in Dunbartonshire, despite being, administratively, in Argyll & Bute now!! All rather confusing! Regards Lorna New Zealand

It look OK here Jean New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Lewis [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 16 April 2006 3:46 p.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [DUNB] Updating Dunbartonshire site Hi listers...I have finally updated the Dunbartonshire GenWeb site and would invite any suggestions or additions to make it better.... For some reason the test size looks so large to me and I don't know if it's my browser.....would someone reply to this and let me know if the writing looks "normal" or "large" to you. http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/index.htm A reminder to those of you who have entries on the SURNAME INTEREST list...if your e-mail address has changed, please let me know and include the surnames that you have submitted. Thanks so much, Barbara Lewis, Dunbartonshire mailing list and Home page host ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

When I was in Scotland I found that going to the Registrar's Office in Alexandria yeilded the most information about relatives. There was a small fee for lookups but they were from the original books. I hope to get back one day soon. Frances Bennett Maddox [email protected]