To clarify my purpose, it is that we here in the UK, Scotland, England and Wales and Northern Ireland are sitting here with information that we know you need and can help you with. I, personally, find it frustrating when I am a minority member of a surname list, unable to help anyone; so, I unsubscribe. Janet

Hello Barbara, just a test at this moment. Will be putting a message out soon. Kind Regards Pam Groves

Hi Barbara, Firstly congratulations to you both! Secondly, not sure, I may have misunderstood your purpose in the recommendation of SURNAMES. I didnt make the suggestion to post naming interests, to cause a problem. d;^) FWIW I have tried those surname lists and I didnt find they were useful. It is however worth doing, for the experience. The problem I found was that, with respect, they are subscribed to the majority of members who are outside of the United Kingdom, searching within their own country in the main, never really touching on the roots, when their roots probably were, in the UK, Scotland and England & Wales and N. Ireland when the majority of us are working backwards. I dont want to cast a negative on this, just sharing my experience. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lewis" <[email protected]> Listers, remember there is a SURNAME INTERESTS list on the Dunbartonshire GenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/surnames.html I will be leaving for Britain in a week and won't be able to make changes to this for a month, so I'll be able to make additions or changes for the next 4 or 5 days.... I'm hoping to bring home my English (London) fiancé back to America after a long long immigration hoopla! I don't think we'll get up to Scotland on this trip.... ..and if your e-mail address has changed....let me know along with the SURNAMES you are listed under..... http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/surnames.html Thanks, looks like all is well on the list. Barb Lewis

Yes I agree, it's a good idea to post tree branches non and again, since list members come and go. I haven't posted mine for ages. Here are my Dumbartonshire links, I do hope we connect, sincerely, Catherine -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (1) Edward Kelley(Kelly) (1829 - 1908) & Mary Ann Garven (1829 - 1903) m. 20 Mar 1852, Cardross, Dunbarton (2) Helen Kelley(Kelly) (1850 - ) (3) Margaret Kelly (1867 - ) (2) Samuel Kelly (1852 - ) & Janet Shaw Henderson (~1850 - <1881) m. 1873 (3) Janet Kelly (1875 - ) (3) Edward Kelly (1878 - ) (2) Elizabeth Holly Kelly (1854 - 1933) & Alexander Archibald Barr (1843 - 1920) m. 25 Feb 1876, Cardross Dumbartonshire, Scotland (3) Archibald (Archie) Barr (1876 - ~1924) & Jessie Moffison (~1876 - ) (3) Mary Ann (Molly)Garvin Barr (1878 - ) & John Thomas (Jack) McErlane (~1872 - ) m. 12 Jul 1901, Queen Street Renfrew (3) Alexander (Sandy) Barr (1879 - 1969) & Clara Jane Beesley (1876 - 1958) m. 30 Sep 1901, Holy Trinity Church in the parish of Poulton le Sauds Morecambe Lancashire England (3) Edward (Ned) Kelly Barr (1881 - 1942) & Ann Cameron (1886 - 1968) m. 19 Sep 1907, Inchinnan Renfrew Scotland (3) Sarah (Sal) Barr (1883 - 1964) & Robert Blair Dougall (1884 - 1949) m. 22 Feb 1907 (3) James Bruce Barr (1885 - 1935) & Elizabeth Mary Rush (1881 - ) m. 27 May 1916, St Philips Church Sydney Australia (3) Elizabeth McCourty (Bessie) Barr (1887 - 1949) & Daniel (Dan) Wheldon Dunlop (~1894 - ) m. 31 Dec 1910, 21 Fulbar Street Renfrew (3) John Herald Barr (1889 - ) & Mary McLaughlin (~1885 - ) m. 1909 (3) Isabella(Ella) Barr (1892 - ) (3) Matilda (Tilly) Howie Barr (1893 - ) & Hoffis (~1893 - ) (3) Margaret (Meg) Barr (1894 - ) & Tom (Ted??) Hetherington (~1886 - ) (3) Jessie McNab Barr (1895 - 1976) & Thomas (Tom) Templeton (1890 - 1977) m. 7 Jul 1914, Inchinnan Parish Church (All Hallows) Renfrew Scotland (3) Victoria Catherine Camlin (Rena) Barr (1897 - 1990) & George Sherry (1901 - 1968) m. 26 Apr 1927, Toronto (3) Alfred Pardue Barr (1899 - 1944) & Flora Turner (~1900 - ) m. 1926, Greenock, Scotland (2) Catherine Greer Kelly (1856 - 1946) & William Camlin (1855 - 1921) m. 4 Jun 1880, Helensborough, Row (3) Alexander Camlin (1881 - ) (3) Janet Mills Camlin (1887 - 1908) (3) William Camlin (1885 - ) (2) Alexander Buchanan Bruce (Kelly) (Bruce)* (1859 - 1950) & Lydia Anna Lehman (1867 - 1944) m. Mildura, Australia (3) Frederick Edmund (Kelly) (Bruce) (1890 - 1914) (3) Arthur John (Kelly) (Bruce) (1892 - 1965) (3) Henry (Kelly) (Bruce) (1895 - 1968) (2) Alexander Buchanan Bruce (Kelly) (Bruce)* (1859 - 1950) & Lydia Treagart m. abt 1879, Scotland (2) Mary Naurice (Norris) Kelly (1861 - 1932) & Cornelius Johannes de Reuck (1859 - 1926) m. 1880, Knysna, South Africa (3) Elizabeth Mary Bruce de Reuck (1982 - 1982) (3) Edward Francis de Luce de Reuck (1904 - 1931) (3) Kathleen Norah de Reuck (1898 - 1972) & Ernest Albert Ballack (1892 - 1966) (3) George Frederick de Reuck (1887 - ) & Elizabeth Karoline Mathilda Bottcher (1893 - ) m. 1912, South Africa (2) Edward Kelley(Kelly) (1863 - ) (2) John Kelly (1864 - 1925) & Mary McIntyre or McDougal (~1865 - ) (3) Edward Kelly (~1885 - 1914) (3) Jean Kelly (~1888 - ) (3) Maisie Kelly (~1882 - ) (3) Anderson Kelly (~1885 - ) (3) Sandy (Alexander) Kelly (~1890 - ) (2) Helen (Ellen) Kelly* (1866 - ) & Ebenezer Henderson (~1866 - ) m. 27 Mar 1885, Cathcart Renfrew Lanark (3) Mary Ellen Henderson (1885 - 1964) (3) Jean Henderson (1887 - 1889) (3) Catherine Greer Henderson (1889 - 1918) & James Beck (~1889 - ) (3) Thomas Hamilton Malloy Henderson (1892 - 1963) (3) Connie Henderson (~1898 - ) (2) Helen (Ellen) Kelly* (1866 - ) & unk Dow (~1866 - ) (2) Matilda Kelly* (1868 - 1922) & Robert Howie (1867 - 1920) (3) Samuel Howie (1898 - ) & Isabell (Belle) Fraser (1895 - ) m. 1924 (3) Susan Kelly (Cissy) Howie (1896 - ) & Robert Spiers (1892 - ) m. 1920 (3) Janet Howie (1904 - ) (3) Belle (Isabella) Howie (1907 - ) (3) Janet C. (Jinty) Howie* (1908 - 2002) & Harold or Howard Brown (1907 - ) (3) Janet C. (Jinty) Howie* (1908 - 2002) & Thomas (Tom) Barr (1907 - ) m. new Jersey USA (2) Matilda Kelly* (1868 - 1922) & John Sharp (2) Jane or Jean Kelly (1870 - 1951) & John Alexander Fraser (1865 - ) m. 31 Dec 1890, orbals Glasgow (3) Jean Fraser (~1895 - ) (3) Belle Fraser (1895 - ) & Samuel Howie (1898 - ) (3) Molly Fraser (~1902 - ) (3) James Fraser (~1907 - ) (3) Elizabeth Lang Fraser (1891 - 1930) & Charles C Campbell (1886 - ) m. 14 Feb 1913, Barrhead Neilston REnfrew (3) Edward Fraser (3) David Fraser (3) John Alexander Fraser (1893 - ) (3) Charles Fraser (1893 - ) (2) Susannah Kelly (1872 - ) & Robert Arthur (~1873 - ) (2) James Kelly (1875 - 1940) & Isabella Sharp (1876 - 1947) m. 31 Dec 1895, Renfrew scotland (3) Annabelle Kelly (1899 - 1988) & Andrew Anderson (1900 - 1994) m. Sep 1923, new jersey USA (3) Richard Kelly (1903 - ) & Maisie wife Kelly (~1903 - ) (3) Elizabeth (Bessie) Kelly (~1905 - ) & James Mair Muir (~1905 - ) (3) Edward Kelly (~1907 - ~1908) (3) Janet Kelly (~1909 - ) & Duncan Carndiff (~1909 - )

Not sure the purpose for this, but it is often recognised in response or non response in group mails. Its been a while since I found a new "cousin" through this list. May I respectfully suggest, as I have in other lists, that where there is no mail traffic, its a good idea to post name interests again. It was that way that I found my cousin in Australia, and another since, simply by sharing. It may be worth my sharing my names again just in case new members might have similar interests. I hope my purpose is understood. Janet. Lanarkshire: CHESTER, ROWAT, HORN, STIRLING CAMPBELL of Mull. and more. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Lewis" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:16 PM Subject: [DUNB] test

Just a few Robert Jarvis + Elizabeth McAlester m 1835 in Dumbarton Margaret Agnes Jarvis b 1838 Dumbarton m Unknown MacDonald in 1860 then moved to Clydebank Robert Hector Jarvis b 1840 Dumbarton Janet MacDonald m John Gordon b 1860 Alexandria d 1885 Dumbarton m Robert Muirhead 1885 Margaret MacDonald m Unknown Bremner or Browner in Dumbarton Mary (Polly) MacDonald m John Newbiggon at Alexandria Christina MacDonald m Alexander Stewart either Alexandria or Renton Rachel MacDonald m William Lennox in Alexandria then moved to Dumbarton Isabella MacDonald m John Neil Alexandria Any Muirhead out of Cardross, Dumbarton or Old KP (South Dalnotter) Cheers!!! Don Muirhead Port Dover, ON CA

My gr.gr.grandmother Mary McCOLL,nee Campbell ( Born on the Isle of Lismore 1805) She and her family were living at 144 High St. Dumbarton in the 1871 census. (Her husband John McCOLL,born Mull 1806 had died in 1869 at 144 High St.) Daniel McCOLL son, age 26 Tailor.born East Kilbride. Malcolm McCOLL son age 24 Ship Carpenter " Mary " Dau.in Law (nee BEGG) born Falkirk. Mary McCOLL gr.dau. age 6, " John " gr.son age 18 mths.born Dumbarton. Does anyone have connections to the above ? Thanks Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada.

My surname interest is Christy and or Christie. Thank you. Debbie Christie-Rogers

Listers, remember there is a SURNAME INTERESTS list on the Dunbartonshire GenWeb site at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/surnames.html I will be leaving for Britain in a week and won't be able to make changes to this for a month, so I'll be able to make additions or changes for the next 4 or 5 days.... I'm hoping to bring home my English (London) fiancé back to America after a long long immigration hoopla! I don't think we'll get up to Scotland on this trip.... ..and if your e-mail address has changed....let me know along with the SURNAMES you are listed under..... http://www.rootsweb.com/~sctdnb/surnames.html Thanks, looks like all is well on the list. Barb Lewis

Janet, thank you for posting. As host of this list, I was concerned that the lack of traffic meant there was a problem with the changeover in mailing list format that has taken place in the past few days...that's why the "tests"....and your posting coming through confirmed that others are getting through... Reposting surnames is a good idea... Thank you Janet, Barb L. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [DUNB] test > Not sure the purpose for this, but it is often recognised in response or > non response in group mails. Its been a while since I found a new > "cousin" through this list. > May I respectfully suggest, as I have in other lists, that where there is > no mail traffic, its a good idea to post name interests again. It was > that way that I found my cousin in Australia, and another since, simply by > sharing. > It may be worth my sharing my names again just in case new members might > have similar interests. I hope my purpose is understood. > > Janet. > Lanarkshire: > CHESTER, > ROWAT, > HORN, > STIRLING > CAMPBELL of Mull. > and more. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barbara Lewis" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 6:16 PM > Subject: [DUNB] test > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

testing set-up again...thanks for your patience Barb L. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less.

Just a test to check prepend on name....

I have recently acquired a sworn Testament, where there was apparently no Will. The estate was listed in an Inventory and the deceased's oldest daughter swore it before a Justice of the Peace. Information I received at the time may be of interest to you: Under Scots law moveable property (clothes, furniture, farm stock, crops etc) was disposed of in a will or testament, and heritable property (buildings, land) was disposed of by deed (these records have not been digitised). There were rules governing the inheritance of moveable property, which meant that it could be divided up among the family without a will being made. You can find more information about this in the Property and Inheritance FAQs on ScotlandsPeople:- http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/faqs/questions/index.aspx?380 The website of the National Archives of Scotland (NAS) has information about heritable property:- http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/deeds.asp http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/inheriting.asp Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Harvey" <[email protected]> > > > Is this the correct List to ask about Individual ancestors details or is it more social History and General ? > > I am always looking for information on Oldkilpatrick , Mains of Colquhoun > > COLQUHOUN familyand WILLIAMSON family. > Social history of Mains? > Schools and their records in Oldkilpatrick or neares, > Who would have attended school at various dates. > > Who left wills , if no Will would their be a record of intestacy . > meaning of entries in documents etc . > > These questions and many othrs I find make researching Scottish records different from some others. > > Any help or advice will be appreciated. > > > Sue H

----- Original Message ----- From: Susan Harvey To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Advice pleas. Is this the correct List to ask about Individual ancestors details or is it more social History and General ? I am always looking for information on Oldkilpatrick , Mains of Colquhoun COLQUHOUN familyand WILLIAMSON family. Social history of Mains? Schools and their records in Oldkilpatrick or neares, Who would have attended school at various dates. Who left wills , if no Will would their be a record of intestacy . meaning of entries in documents etc . These questions and many othrs I find make researching Scottish records different from some others. Any help or advice will be appreciated. Sue H

Have you tried IGI, searching using Scottish naming patterns? Scottish Naming Patterns. 1st Son named after Fathers Father 2nd Son named after Mothers Father 3rd Son named after Father 4th Son named after Father's oldest brother 5th Son named after 2nd oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 1st Daughter named after Mothers Mother 2nd Daughter named after Fathers Mother 3rd Daughter named after Mother 4th Daughter named after Mothers oldest sister 5th Daughter named after 2nd oldest sister or Fathers oldest sister That's not to say that every family followed them, but, when searching "blind", its often worth a try to get started. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "PAMELA GROVES" <[email protected]> > Hello List, > Is there some kind soul that could look up the MI's for Dumbarton area Please. > I am interested in finding the Transcripts of a grave, that is possibly not there anymore or damaged and faded. > I am looking for any information on a Alexander Campbell Master Shoemaker who died on May 5, 1864 at 129, High Street, Dumbarton. > on his death certificate it says he was the son of Andrew Campbell and Janet McNeish. > Alexander was born between 1796 - 1798 in Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, Scotland. > But he and his wife Agnes nee Kelly and family moved to Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire after June 1855 but before July 1856. > I would like to know if the inscriptions mentioned his children at all, and where they are buried maybe. > Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. > Kind Regards > Pamela J Groves

Hello List, Is there some kind soul that could look up the MI's for Dumbarton area Please. I am interested in finding the Transcripts of a grave, that is possibly not there anymore or damaged and faded. I am looking for any information on a Alexander Campbell Master Shoemaker who died on May 5, 1864 at 129, High Street, Dumbarton. on his death certificate it says he was the son of Andrew Campbell and Janet McNeish. Alexander was born between 1796 - 1798 in Kirkcolm, Wigtownshire, Scotland. But he and his wife Agnes nee Kelly and family moved to Dumbarton, Dunbartonshire after June 1855 but before July 1856. I would like to know if the inscriptions mentioned his children at all, and where they are buried maybe. Thank you in advance for any information I might receive. Kind Regards Pamela J Groves

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/WeC.2ACI/979.1.1.2.1 Message Board Post: My GG Grandparents where Patrick and Mary Biggins, Mary remarried after husbands death to someone named Mc Guire. My G Grandfather was Patrick who was married in St Marys parish church Abercrombie St Calton to Catherine Coyle on the 26-11-1900, on his marriage cert it is stated that he was a shipyard labourer (this could be your grandfathers brother (Paddy). My Grandfather was Patrick Biggins born 19-10-1902 he was married in St Marys Calton on the 3-7-1925 to Elen Murphy. The names Benny, and, robert, joseph feeature a lot I dont know of a James but I would be inerested to find out could you contact me with further details.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/WeC.2ACI/1344 Message Board Post: On West Dunbartonshire Council's Site, regarding a heritage trail, there is a reference to "Ferrydyke/Donald's Quay" at Old Kilpatrick. Can anyone tell me, please, who was the 'Donald' who gave the name to the quay?

Would anyone know of Martha Knox who was born abt 1852 Parents Robert Knox and Mary Stewart. She was married to Robert Garven who was a tailor by trade. They lived at 37 Clyde St, Dumbarton. Martha Knox died there in 1871. Thanks, Jen