This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DDUNLOP1205 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1202.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I also am descended from Eleanor Dunbar and her husband Joseph Howe through their daughter Elizabeth who married James Hoge. I have spent lots of time and energy on the Dunbar ancestors of this family without much success. I am including a summary of what I know (or think I know). Maybe someone out there can connect and help us all out. Any and all corrections, additions, discussion, etc. will be greatly appreciated, either through this message board or e-mail. Darrell Dunlop darrelldunlop@yahoo.com ANCESTRY OF ELEANOR DUNBAR I have had very little success in determining the ancestry of Eleanor Dunbar, wife of Joseph Howe of Montgomery (now Palaski) County, VA. Here is what I have discovered. Many researchers list her father as John Dunbar, the Jacobite rebel, who was captured at Preston, England and transported to Virginia on the "Elizabeth and Anne" in 1716. He may have been her father, but I have found no evidence. We do know, from the records of Augusta Co., VA, and from the journal of the young surveyor, George Washington, that a John Dunbar was a neighbor of Joseph Howe in what is now Hardy Co., WV. This may be the reason for the assumption that John was the father of Eleanor. We do know, from the will of Ann (Dunbar) Cahoon, written in 1798 in Hardy County, VA (now West Virginia), that Eleanor had a brother named John, who wrote his will in 1794 in Greenbrier Co., VA (now WV). This may have been the John Dunbar who was Joseph Howe's neighbor. There were many John Dunbars in Scotland. Some researchers say the John Dunbar who was born on 1 Jun 1701 in Brechin, Scotland to Robert Dunbar and Jean Gray (Scotland Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950), was the Jacobite rebel. Again, this may be true but I know of no evidence. John Dunbar, the Jacobite, had an interesting history. According to "Passenger Lists for 10 Immigrant Ships in 1716" found in the US GenWeb Archives, he lived in Wick, Scotland and was imprisoned in Wigan, England. Before being transported, he wrote to "his friend" the Laird of Grange in Scotland. Although he was supposed to be indentured in VA, he was in Newport, RI by 1717, when his brother, James, wrote to the Laird of Grange that John had arrived there. John was thereafter engaged on trading voyages along the coast of America. (Scottish Emigration to Colonial America 1607-1785, by David Dobson). "Directory of Scottish Settlers in North America 1625-1825," by Dobson, refers to him as a merchant skipper and says he was in Newport in 1719 and 1720. Dobson writes that he had brothers named David, James, and Simon; and that he latter settled in Virginia and Massachusetts. In January of 1760 there was a ship, "St. George of Montrose" at Charleston, SC, with John Dunbar! as master. (Ships from Scotland to America 1628-1828,) again by Dobson. "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s to 1900s" as found on ancestry.com, indicates that Simon was in Newport by c1748. "The Original Scots Colonists of Early America 1612-1783" (still again by Dobson) calls Simon Dunbar a mariner who settled, by 1748, in Newport, RI and Charleston, SC, and gives his father as John Dunbar of Burgie, which means that John Dunbar, the Jacobite rebel, was also the son of John of Burgie. Burgie is near Forres (about 25 miles east of Inverness) and about 2 miles from Grange Hall, the seat of the Laird of Grange. Howe family tradition, as found in "The Family of Hoge" by Governor James Hoge Tyler, and in "Listen to the Mockingbird" by Daniel Dunbar Howe, says that Joseph Howe and Eleanor Dunbar met on the ship from England to Boston and that they married near there shortly after arrival, which is given as c1748. This is the same year that Simon Dunbar appeared in Newport, RI. Did they all come on the same ship? Was Simon Eleanor's brother, or father? So many questions, so few answers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.