This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebraNowell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I encourage you to join the Clan Dunbar organization. They specialize only with those people named Dunbar or have Dunbar ancestry. They have a database that spans back 30 years of pedigrees. Their Clan Genealogist, Tom Dunbar, also descends from John Dunbar of CT and he'd love to add a new cousin to the family tree. http://www.clandunbar.com/ You didn't specify what your expectations are with DNA testing and why you feel it "appears not to have changed or confirmed much of anything". I can tell you quite the opposite as it pertains to the John Dunbar of CT descendants. The John of CT family didn't know of any other cousins outside of this family tree. But, because of DNA testing, we've expanded outside the John of CT family line to other Dunbar branches/cousins who were virtually unknown until we started this project. This family line has cousins that hail back to Castle Fin, Ireland, another who emigrated from Scotland to the West Indies and eventually ended up in the States, confirmed a theory that a branch of the surname Barr descends from the Dunbars, and proved that the John Dunbar of CT family does not descend from Robert Dunbar of Hingham MA. Y-DNA testing can only tell you who you're genetically related to and estimate the closeness of that relationship. It can't tell you that the man you're matching is your father, son, or your 2nd cousin twice removed. It is a tool to help further your research and the John of CT men have been given some huge clues to work with. You can see the pedigrees of the various people tested who match genetically on our Patriarchs page. Go down the page until you see Lineage 3 where the John of CT family tested. Tom Dunbar is also the Line Leader for this family and you can obtain his email from this webpage. http://www.dunbardna.org/wfpatriarchs.htm Debra Dunbar Nowell Dunbar DNA Project Admin www.DunbarDNA.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.