This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: N_Percival Surnames: Dunbar. Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, Good genealogy starts out with you, get your birth certificate then your father's recorded birth, after 1900's you have to get inventive with researching for documentation.. NEVER use someone else's research, you do not know if they actually saw the documents they are sourcing.You need eyes on.. I have some families back to 1500,s the English Gilpins (Northern England very close to the border are documented to 1276.I've seen the recvorded document) so records can be found it just hard and costs a lot of money. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: N_Percival Surnames: Dunbar, Beatty, Gilpin, Gilloch Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again Mary, Your comment Surnames came about with the doomsday book. Not so. The doom's day book was a collection of recorders that William I sent out (1086) to find out about who had what so he could tax them.(In England not Scotland) It recorded the land owners Gentry/ Nobility and wealthy (merchants) not the common people. and that was in ENGLAND not Scotland... there were separate entities, until 1606 when the Scottish King James Tutor inherited from his cousin Elizabeth I, being she never married or had children... You should read: Rise of the kingdom of Alba then just keep going http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Scotland Some Scandinavian countries have only been using surnames under 500 years ago. Each country established surnames at different historical times.. If you look at the Chinese they were using surname identity way before any European country. Try googling for things you want to read about. Proud to have a Scottish connection from Dunbar, Gilloch, Beatty (Not the Border Reiver Beatties, not connected genetically) and others... (My Gilpins so far are from Ireland...) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: N_Percival Surnames: Dunbar, Gilpin, Alpine Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Mary, I kept ignoring the subject line because I was busy, but today with a little time on my hands thought I'd see what all the messages with Dunbar project update were all about. Not wanting to jump in in the middle thought I'd start at the beginning, with you Mary. Now as a Dunbar descendant, not impressed with being a member of a Clan, but with 15 years experience in doing genealogy 12 -18 hours a day 24/7 365, then adding in a genetic genealogists for 7 years running 4 small surname projects. I have to add in my comments. your "One messanger even suggested that he simply assumed the name rather than being a true descendant of the Dunbar Clan. If he did that, where does that place everyone who claims to have descended from him. He, if Dunbar is not his name, is a fraud." disturbed me greatly. Why would he be a fraud... did he claim he descended from who ever? Or did someone researching him in the 2oth century say he was descended from.... When people started using surnames many people as I'm sure you know, all used the same names. And we 20/21st century genealogy researchers try to say anyone with the same surname was related. Until along came Genetic genealogy. There are many different reasons a male might have the genetics of some one other then the Y line of the predominate surname's genetics. 1. More then one origin of the surname 2. some members of clans took on the surname of the person who was the clan leader. 3. children were taken in when families died off 4 many different reasons could be the cause that your y-male tested differently then who you or others thought he should match. Does that make him a fraud.. by all means no. He and his lineage are still Dunbar just not the same genetic lineage. A different genetic lineage using the surname DUNBAR. Its funny my Gilpins a surname project I work with have 5 different genetic lineages, I have found 4 different origins for this surname One Alpine, One Irish and two from Normandy. That does not make them frauds. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WBudde6501 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the note, Mary. To be honest, it is only Clan Dunbar USA that claims descent from the Gospatric Earls. I have no clear evidence that my Robert of Hingham line is related to them. This stands in contrast to the Clan, most big "C" Clan organizations actually, that like to claim a distinguished lineage. I'm just as proud of my German immigrant side as my Scottish immigrant ancestors, but I like a tasty single malt scotch whisky over schnapps. Bill Budde Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for such a level, calm response. I have been researching the Dunbars of Connecticut, and I did see that one of them was hung for treason. However, if all Dunbars claim descent from Gospatric, then how are they not all related in one way or another? I have looked at my tree carefully. They seem to go back and forth from Massachusetts to Connecticut. Then suddenly one of them decided to go west. I see no connection between my grandfather, his father, and his father before him with all the names I have looked at. None of the evidence seems to connect my branch of the tree with anyone that others will accept as viable. The same thing has happened with my father's side of the tree and both grandmothers. My tree appears to go back only three to four generations. I guess I will leave it to that. By the way, Robert must be a Dunbar. I see that so many have traced their ancestry back several generations from him even if he's not related to Ninian. Thank you for not attacking me verbally, and thank you for your response. Mary Dunbar Erickson P.S. I only referred to the Doomsday book, because I felt that some of the ladies responding to me were talking down to me and assuming that they were literate and intelligent and I was not. You don't have to say the words for your choice of words to carry a tone. As an educator, I am sure you understand my meaning. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: WBudde6501 Surnames: Dunbar, Budde, Schueller Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Mary, You sound very frustrated over the errors made by past Dunbar researchers. I'm not totally sure when the issue of passing on names came up in the posting thread, but it has little or nothing to do with the specific issues about Sir Ninian Dunbar or the Hingham and Connecticut Dunbar families. For the last 10 to 15 years I have been correcting postings on Rootsweb that have connected Robert of Hingham to Sir Ninian. If memory serves me Sir Ninian's son Robert died ca. 1669 in Scotland, while Robert of Hingham died in Hingham, Massachusetts in 1693. From the thread posted here it appears that you are related to Connecticut John, so I won't pursue the original mistake leading back to Ninian. For many years we have known that Jacobus, one of the fathers of modern genealogy, made a mistake when he connected the two Johns: the son of Robert with the John Dunbar living in Connecticut. As Debra pointed out Jacobus issued a correction and pointed out that the same man could not be in two places at the same time. Hingham John has been proven to have only lived in Hingham and Mendon, Massachusetts, while Connecticut John clearly lived only in Connecticut. The DNA testing merely confirms what the paper evidence has shown for many years previous: Bob is not related to Sir Ninian, and John of Connecticut is not related in any way. I teach genealogy at the college level, and the very first class warn the students that anything they find on the internet is not true until proven by paper research that documents the online claim. The example used to illustrate this is Robert Dunbar of Hingham. I always hoped that Robert would be related to the Dunbar's from around Elgin and Forres, Scotland. This family line has quite a story behind it, including several members that were exiled to Ireland for murder and mayhem. With the possible Irish link through John of Connecticut, perhaps this northern line is related to his family. John's descendants are quintessential Revolutionary War citizens. Moses, the Tory, was tried and hung while other members of his near family were trusted Patriots. Although these differences were common in towns and families during the revolution, we hear little about the divisiveness on a personal level. American political correctness since the Revolution has ignored or minimized this personal conflict under the guise of Patriotism. Take care, Bill Budde Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceDunbar78 Surnames: DUNBAR Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary- I have 10 generations of data for John Dunbar b Fairfield, CT Please contact me off-line at brucedunbar@cox.net Thanx Brus Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebraNowell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary, Here is what is known about Robert of Hingham's son John per the book published by Ann Chaplin. 1.Robert & Rose Dunbar of Hinham MA 2.John b. 1657 MA, m. Mattithiah Aldredge 1679 at Hingham. Their listed known children: 3.John b. 1679/80 d. in two weeks 3.Susanna b. 1684 3.John b. ? d. 1697 3.Isaac b. ? m. Mary Summer, 3.Jeremiah, b. ?, d. unmarried 3.Lydia, b. 1695, d unmarried 1742 3.Hannah b. ? The only possible male Dunbar who probably had progeny would be Isaac but nothing else is know about any of the children. It appears that both son's named John died young. Also, from the ancestry you posted, and what we know about the John of CT Dunbars it 'appears' that you descend from this family. I recommend you contact Tom Dunbar or any John of CT descendant email addresses posted on the Patriarchs page for additional information about this family and make up your mind after talking with them. http://www.dunbardna.com/wfpatriarchs.htm You're correct about all the posts at Ancestry showing Beecher as the wife of John b. 1657. Most confusing. The only way to know for sure which family you descend from is to DNA test. You're fortunate to have a possible Dunbar male to test for your specific line of ancestry. It may take time but, when you're able to get your cousin to test please join via this link. http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Dunbar I'll be glad to add your known Dunbar ancestry to the "untested" area on the DNA Patriarchs page. I just need your direct male line of descent down to you. If your cousin should test, we can move your ancestry info into the "tested" area. Include their name, date & place of birth, spouse, Dunbar date & place of death. Hope this helps. Debra Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sally, I obviously appear to be uneducated and ignorant (and I am sure I am in some respects as we all are). However, surnames came about with the Domesday Book. Everyone had to be listed and their property accounted for. The people who willingly signed the Domesday Book were very proud to do so. They did not realize it was going to be used to tax them. I also understand the concept of place names and occupational names as I taught Medieval World History for several years. I had all of my students make family crests using both mom and dad's surnames (as the mothers were often left out throughout history). I also explained to my students that this aquisition of names happened here in the United States among African Americans. They often assumed the names of their owners, the name of the plantation, the county, or they were themselves illegitimate children of white men. I do understand more than you realize. However, with DNA being used to trace heredity for some ten to twelve years now, I had expected more progress--more certainty in tracing ancestors. In reading some posted messages on a different website, I realized that we have not made much progress at all--only baby steps. Now, if ancestry.com led me directly to John, eldest son of Robert, why did they not lead me to the Connecticut Dunbars. Sons grow up, move to where the land and the opportunity avails itself. They are born here, married there, and die somewhere else. How do you decide who is a Connecticut Dunbar and who is a Hingham Dunbar. Have your "chief" take a look and see where I have gone astray. Mary Dunbar Erickson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: You would be surprised at how much I already understand about the passing on of names. Many people who moved from one place to another often assumed the name of their Lord and Master or the name of the estate they came from. This happened in the United States after the abolition of slavery. I am not as ignorant as you seem to assume. In my message, I was just imagining the worst possible senario. If he is not a Dunbar, where does that leave us? On the other hand, I was told that I am not a descendant of John Dunbar of Hingham at all. I am a descendant of the Connecticut Dunbars. I realize that there was a lot of moving around. Sons moved where the land and opportunity presented itself. Ancestry.com carried me straight to John Dunbar. Do I start all over and seek out only the Dunbars born, married, or died in Connecticut and ignore the rest? There appears to be quite a bit of born here, married there, died somewhere else. How do I know other than by looking at the names of children, spouses, and dates? Someone seems to know who I am not related to. Therefore, should I assume that they know to whom I am related? I did take advice and I will try to join the Dunbar Clan, but it is difficult for me because my grandfather had only one son. His only son had only one son. Through divorce the only son (my cousin) is estranged to the Dunbar family even though I believe he goes by Dunbar. I have very little chance of proving who I am or am not. Frustrated! Mary Dunbar Erickson Mary Dunbar Erickson Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebraNowell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Dear Mary, I will address the surname issue first and then address what the DNA Project has and has not found out about Robert Dunbar of Hingham MA 1650. I have a list of about 17 reasons for a Dunbar not being Y-DNA related within the same surname. Sally touched on several of them. However, the typical reason is illegitimate births. This is where the birth mother gives her surname to her child due to rape, love, sex orgies, etc. If the child is a boy he will now have the Y-DNA of his birth father but his mother's maiden name and that child will now pass down to his male sons the Y-DNA of his birth father. This is still practiced today. Other reasons: unknown adoptions, woman pregnant by another man at the moment of her marriage, child assimilated into a family and adopts the surname of the host family, (i.e. after the death/disappearance of both parents or after a remarriage and child is known by their stepfather's surname.) Another is the man takes his wife's surname. This is documented many times w/i the noble Dunbar line. And then when a person changes their identity for whatever reasons, e.g. escape justice, avoid persecution, etc. Avoiding religious or identity persecution is probably the number one reason for intentionally changing a surname. Please consider the time period when these events could have occurred. Many of our Dunbar's have their surnames documented back to the 1500-1600's. Robert Dunbar of Hingham MA: Thank you Sally for providing the documented line of descent of Ninian's son Robert. "Ninian's son Robert died in 1659 in Scotland. Ninian's grandson/Robert's son Robert was knighted in 1660, He married Grizzel Brodie in 1654." This ONLY proves, via documentation, that Robert Dunbar of Hingham could not be the son of Ninian. But, Robert could still descend from another branch of the Noble line of Dunbar. No one has ever seen any document showing where Robert of Hingham claimed to descend from Ninian thus ruling out any "fraud" claims. Some well intending researcher put forth this theory in an attempt to link Robert with the Noble line and it stuck. Unfortunately, people have been passing this story down over and over again w/o verifying the research. You will not be the last person to ask this question. What we've discovered about the Y-DNA of Robert of Hingham. The DNA Project has tested the Y-DNA of the hereditary Chieftain along with 2 other paper-trailed Gospatric descendants. All three genetically match. The descendants of Robert of Hingham also match with these 3 men. What this tells us is that Robert and his progeny descend from a branch of the noble line of Dunbar but we don't know which one as yet. Y-DNA testing is still in its infancy and we have lots more to learn. As the technology improves and the databases grow through new participants or additional testing it is our goal to find out how or if all Dunbars are related. Debra Dunbar Nowell Dunbar DNA Project Admin www.DunbarDNA.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Sally_Wilkins Surnames: Dunbar Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary - not really a "fraud" although you may feel defrauded - the point is that in Scotland (as in many places, in fact) when people began to use surnames (generally in the late 17th and early 18th century - about the same time as the Great Migration) many of them used the name of their location as their surname. Other common sources of surnames were occupations (Baker, Wainwright) and parents' forenames (Anderson, McNeil). Even in the liege line, the name is often ultimately a reference to a place. This doesn't even consider the people who took the name of a patron (or an owner), or the people who were randomly assigned surnames by local registrars or immigration agents. So if Robert was from Dunbar, or was taken prisoner at the Battle of Dunbar, that was a perfectly legitimate surname for him to use - and he may not have had a surname at all until he was required to use one in the Mass Bay Colony - many people did not. Fraud implies a deliberate attempt to mislead, generally for some benefit, and that does not apply in this situation. Incidentally my great-great-aunt's genealogy notes from the 1890s cite the Ninian-Robert connection - I have no idea whether she got it from Melzar or whether he and she had a similar source. I do note that Rev. Melzar Dunbar did say, on page 16 in his book, "it is probable, though not certain, that Robert Dunbar was a son of Ninian Dunbar." Lots of people since have cited it as fact . . . but as we have learned since, that was a different Robert. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I understand the concept of DNA testing. What I was reacting to is the fact that they have proven through DNA that Robert of Hingham is not descended from Ninian Dunbar. They do not know who Robert is. One messanger even suggested that he simply assumed the name rather than being a true descendant of the Dunbar Clan. If he did that, where does that place everyone who claims to have descended from him. He, if Dunbar is not his name, is a fraud. Now, I have stated myself more clearly. I hope the messanger was wrong, but time will tell. Mary "Dunbar" Erickson I will, however, Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebraNowell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I encourage you to join the Clan Dunbar organization. They specialize only with those people named Dunbar or have Dunbar ancestry. They have a database that spans back 30 years of pedigrees. Their Clan Genealogist, Tom Dunbar, also descends from John Dunbar of CT and he'd love to add a new cousin to the family tree. http://www.clandunbar.com/ You didn't specify what your expectations are with DNA testing and why you feel it "appears not to have changed or confirmed much of anything". I can tell you quite the opposite as it pertains to the John Dunbar of CT descendants. The John of CT family didn't know of any other cousins outside of this family tree. But, because of DNA testing, we've expanded outside the John of CT family line to other Dunbar branches/cousins who were virtually unknown until we started this project. This family line has cousins that hail back to Castle Fin, Ireland, another who emigrated from Scotland to the West Indies and eventually ended up in the States, confirmed a theory that a branch of the surname Barr descends from the Dunbars, and proved that the John Dunbar of CT family does not descend from Robert Dunbar of Hingham MA. Y-DNA testing can only tell you who you're genetically related to and estimate the closeness of that relationship. It can't tell you that the man you're matching is your father, son, or your 2nd cousin twice removed. It is a tool to help further your research and the John of CT men have been given some huge clues to work with. You can see the pedigrees of the various people tested who match genetically on our Patriarchs page. Go down the page until you see Lineage 3 where the John of CT family tested. Tom Dunbar is also the Line Leader for this family and you can obtain his email from this webpage. http://www.dunbardna.org/wfpatriarchs.htm Debra Dunbar Nowell Dunbar DNA Project Admin www.DunbarDNA.org Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: By the way, I would like to remind you that I am also a Dunbar. Otherwise, I would not be doing this. Thank you for your polite reply. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was not referring to the name Dunbar as a fraud. I was referring to ancestry.com who led me down the path from where I am. We pay them each month for their assistance and yet there is so much misleading information and the DNA testing has been going on for many years, but appears not to have changed or confirmed much of anything. I simply followed the hints given me. So sorry to have enraged you so much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Dunbar DNA project has eliminated some early Dunbars that some reseachers had shared or connected on Ancestry's public trees and which I at first thought was part of my Dunbar tree. Ancestry does not guarantee that all info on public or private trees on their site is accurate yet I have gotten many clues from Ancestry. Their census records are very helpful. The Dunbar DNA project identified 2 close matches for me. One was my youngest son who did a school project 6 or 7 years ago with the smallest amount of markers. The other Dunbar match was a descendant of great great grandfather's brother-both from Tyrrell or Hyde counties in North Carolina . The brothers were born in the very early 1800s. So, as more information and different kinds of information become available, we have to continue to do our detective work and be open to adjusting our family trees without getting terribly upset. Just some thoughts. Nancy Dunbar -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: dunbar-l <dunbar-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 3:01 pm Subject: Re: [DUNBAR] Dunbar DNA Project Update This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Johnday510 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I was not referring to the name Dunbar as a fraud. I was referring to ancestry.com who led me down the path from where I am. We pay them each month for their assistance and yet there is so much misleading information and the DNA testing has been going on for many years, but appears not to have changed or confirmed much of anything. I simply followed the hints given me. So sorry to have enraged you so much. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DUNBAR-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DebraNowell Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Even with the paper trail from Jacobus showing two different family's, there were skeptics. Thankfully, we have/had Y-DNA to settle this and many other Dunbar research theories. The DNA Project has triangulated the Y-DNA back to Robert 1659 Hingham MA via 3 living descendants from three of his sons Peter, Joshua, & Joseph. All three men have the same Y-DNA proving Robert Dunbar of Hingham passed this same Y-DNA to each of his sons. If John of Ct descended from Robert, the 5 tested men who descend from John & Ann would have the same DNA as the Hingham Dunbars above. For those not familiar with the John of CT line: 1.John Dunbar - first known in county of Fairfield CT 1694. m. 1st Anne, 2nd Abigail (Norton) Beers, 3rd Elizabeth Beecher. 2. John 1694 m. Elizabeth Fenn 3. John b 1724 m. Temperance Hall I recommend any person wanting to prove/disprove a research theory to consider Y-DNA testing. You will need to test 37 markers or more if you're testing to further your genealogy research. 37 markers means our testing company, Family Tree DNA, will test 37 areas on your Y-chromosome. To join this very exciting Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Dunbar I'll be glad to answer any questions concerning Y-DNA testing. Debra Dunbar Nowell - Dunbar Project Admin DunbarDNA at gmail.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceDunbar78 Surnames: DUNBAR Cranstoun Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In reply to your quote: As Mr. Jacobus pointed out in his article, John "cannot have been in Hingham and Fairfield during the same time period, 1694-1697" That's a three year span. He certainly could have been in each place during the period. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceDunbar78 Surnames: DUNBAR Cranstoun Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.dunbar/1176.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In reply to your quote: As Mr. Jacobus pointed out in his article, John "cannot have been in Hingham and Fairfield during the same time period, 1694-1697" That's a three year span. He certainly could have been in each place during the period. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.