Source: MENARY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MENARY-L] Menary's in Scotland; trip part 3 Hi Susan and your saintly husband Your tidbit on William McNair and Agnes McGill certainly caught my eye. William Manery and Ann McGill were my gr.gr. grandparents. I am already signed on to the www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk site. You have given me a new area to search. Cousin Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "sj phdoc" <sjphdoc@hotmail.com> To: <MENARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 12:39 PM Subject: [MENARY-L] Menary's in Scotland; trip part 3 > Dear Cousins, > > As you know we recently made our "Menary" trip to Europe where we went in > search of our genealogy roots. I am dividing up the information to put out > on this mailing list. > > Part 1 was the report on the disasterous record conditions we found at > PRONI in Belfast, Northern Irelenad and the photos we took of the Church > of Ireland Records at Mullaghbrack, Markethill records which many of you > are kindly transcribing now. > > Part 2 was the trip to France where the Menary's who originally came to N. > Ireland were from. Saint Menuret's bones and plaque were found in Paris > and the Province Montelimar Churches were visiited to which our ancestors > (GRoup 1 DNA Menary's) most likely attended in the late 1500's. > > Part 3 is the research we did in Scotland (see below). Further editions > will consist of specific Menary research in Ireland; both Ulster (Northern > Ireland part of the U.K.) and The Republic Of Ireland. > > I would like to note that the DNA from the Scotch Menary's have so far > proven to be of a different Haplotype than the Irish Menary's in our Group > 1. Therefore the two groups are not related. I think it lends well to > Barbara's posting on the origin of the surname and explains that the name > Menary is from at least 4 different sources as we have biologically proven > in our DNA study (see our Rootsweb web site for DNA reults Table). > > Again I would like to start by thanking my husband for the hours he spent > researching Menary's in Scotland and the time out of his vacation and > research (he's a Campbell and spent his time on Menary)! Susan J. > > SCOTLAND RESEARCH (report also available on our www.myfamily.com web site > thanks to Janice). > June 18, 2004 > > My husband and I went to the General Register Office for Scotland (GRO) > located at the New Register House, Edinburgh EH1 3YT Scotland. Telephone > 0131-314-4449 where the records for the whole country are kept. It was a > beautiful domed building in the heart of town for which I will separately > post photos; if anyone is interested please inquire. > > After registering and paying the 20 GBP pound entrance fee we were led to > computers that one could search birth, death and marriage from 1855 on and > get the image online and print for 50p a piece (we got 9 copies). The > records from before 1855 were on microfilm and after obtaining the film > numbers from the computer database one could obtain the reel and search it > for the full record. Copies of these entries would cost 13 pounds each. > > Anyone wishing copies of the list of the records the GRO has in their > care, as well as their other handouts, please let me know. > > Both my husband and I had a computer and we split the work up. Luckily one > could search with soundex, as we soon found out that putting every Menary > spelling in would still not have gotten us some of the more unusual > spellings we were previously unaware of. > > We used the microfilm database as it was the earlier records that we were > looking for. It was the "1553 - 1854 Old Parish Registers" and we started > at the beginning using all known spellings before we caught on to the > soundex system. The first Menary we ran across was not until 1734 in > Glasgow. We lose that family in 1751 and then jump to finding Menarys in > 1822 and later. Interestingly enough, Menary is not very common in > Scotland and it is apparent that they came from somewhere else mostly > around the mid- 1800's. > > Starting over this time with the soundex, we searched male births from > 1700 and obtained the following names and indexed them. It would have been > necessary to pull all the films referred to in order to get details. So we > only viewed a select few that were known to be of interest to our > subscribers. To get the full information on a listing one could write the > GRO and send the 13 pounds and the reference numbers I have noted on those > we did not view personally. > > One other note; many of their records are supposed to be on the internet > at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk billed as their "official online source" > containing 37 million names with a fully searchable index most of which > have digital images of the original documents. There is a charge but it > would be worthwhile for those of you with Scottish ancestry to use it and > report back to all of us. They expect to have it all available over the > internet in another year. > > The records I have copies of are ***. They are nice and I will send them > to whoever asks first. > > Male Births from 1700: > ***MENARY, George William, 1855, Dumfries bridge. Dec 27 0 Hr, 30 min PM > St. Michael Street Dumfries 74. Father William Menary belonging to > ordinancy survey Dumfries 25 born in County Down. ? county Down 1850 2 > boys deceased. Mother Elizabeth Menary maiden name Bailies (?) age 24, > born in County Down. Third child. > > ***MINERY, William, 1860, 572, 29, Neilston. County Renfrew. Feb 4, 1860. > 4 AM Barrhead Parish of Neilston. Father Robert Minery, shoemaker, mother > Bridget Minery maiden name Banner. Father not present. Ian Gardiner > Registrar. > > ***MINNERY, Thomas 1865, 572/81, Neilston. 1865 Mar 112AM Barrhead, Father > Robert Ninnery sailmaker and Bridget Minnery Banner married May 12, 1859 > Barrhead. Father present with original signature on the register, > registered Ian Gardiner. > > ***MANERY, George William, 1883, 692/2, 1034, Leith South. June 16, 1883 > 11:30 AM G. Kemps Close, Leith. Father William Manery Tailor Journeyman. > Margaret Manery maiden name Kirkland married 1882, Oct 11 at S. Leith. > Debbie or Jessie Kirkland maternal grandmother present and original > signature. > > MINERY, Matthew, son of James & Anna Bellarose MINERY, 21 April 1734, > Glasgow. > MINRY, Matthew, son of Matthew MINRY, 23 Feb 1742, Dumbarton. > MENRY, William, son of Matthew & Margaret Lindsey MENRY, 12 Sep 1748, > Dumbarton. > MINRY, Matthew, son of Matthew & Margaret Lindsey MENRY, 22 Oct 1751, > Dumbarton. > MAINAIR, John Scott, son of Andrew & Margaret Scott MAINAIR, 27 Aug 1822, > Gorbals. > MANARY, Andrew, son of Andrew & Agnes Pringle MANARY, Baptised 12 Oct > 1839, Dumfries, born Oct 4. (Later reference says 1833 821/8, FR1977). > > MUNARY, James, 1856 (year born/christened), 577 (RD #), 126 (Ent #), > Audinleck (Parish). > MANARY, William, 1858, 793, 94, Kelso. > MANARY, Robert, 1860, 793, 48, Kelso. > MINARY, Thomas, 1860, 282/2, 459, Dundee 2nd Dist. > MINNARY, John, 1860, 64/5, 669, Clyde Glasgow. > MENARY, John Smith, 1861, 821, 115, Dumfries. > MINNERY, John, 1862, 572, 23, Neilston. > MENARY, William, 1863, 821, 406, Dumfries. > MANARY, James, 1865, 282/2, 170, Dundee 2nd Dist. > MINNARE, James, 1865, 644/10, 1448, Hutchesontown, Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 1865, 572/2, 84, Barrhead. > MEINER, James, 1868, 282/2, 493, St. Mary, Dundee. > MINNARE, Henry, 1868, 644/10, 550, Hutchesontown. > MENERY, John, 1869, 644/9, 1386, Tradeston, Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 1871, 572/2, 58, Barrhead. > MENARY, Andrew, 1877, 899, 164, Stranraer. > MENARY, Alexander Welsh, 1882, 820, 86, Dryfesdale. > MENARY, George, 1883, 792, 49, Jedburg. > MENARY, Edward Burns, 1885, 792, 133, Jedburge. > > I stopped at 1885 but the records were available through 2004. I found no > Sarah Boyd for the right year with William as a parent. > > Marriages checked 1734-1855: > ***MINERY, Thomas 9 Aug 1888 and ? Hamill (James and Mary Hamill parents). > Eastwood Parish, County Renfrew. There is a lot more information on this > document but it is very hard to read. It has maiden names, parents names, > occupations, etc. Try looking it up online. > > MENARY, John, Ayr m. Marion Holmes, 25 Nov 1763 in Ayr. FR2219 Ayr Parish. > 578/8. "John McNarry Quo Die John Mennary and Marion Holms both in > dwellers in Ayr gave their names to be proclaimed in order for marriage > and after proclamation they were married." > > McNAIR, William, 1833, Vol 17, page 57 on film " William McNair weaver > Carlton and Agnes McGill, registering them as married at Glasgow 3 May > 1833 by the Rev. William Brash, minister of the United Accysion Chapel > Campbell Stuart, Glagow." Index was Barony Parish FR4382, 622/28*, found > by searching for McGill. > > MINAIRY, Andrew, m. 22 Dec 1812, 821/5, Dumfries, Agnes Pringle FR1332. > Pringle reference 821/5 FL1332. "Proclamation 1812 Dec 22 Andrew Miniary > (airy) 26th Ret. of Foot and Agnes Pringle 3 for 5/6." The librarian did > not know what that all meant and the Regiment of Foot (Foot soldiers), > book was not available. > > MANNERY, Michael, m. 22 Apr 1806, 496/4, Dumbarton, Margaret Reading. > MENARY, George, m. 28 May 1847, 821/9, Dumfries, Maria Smith / FR2156. > > Male Deaths from 1734: > ***MONARY, Andrew, laborer, formerly Soldier in 26th Reg of Foot, > pensioner, married. > 1859 Jan 17, 78 years of age. 2:30 ? Dumfries. Father William Menary mason > journeyman (deceased) Mother Elizabeth Monary, maiden name (blank) > (deceased). Buried in the Church yard of St. Michaels Dumfries, George > Menary son present at the death. 821, 24. > > ***MINNERY, Robert, foundry laborer, widower of Bridget Bonner, June 4, > 1915 6:20 PM Darnler Road Barrhead, 80 years of age. Father William > Minnery, tailor (deceased) and Ann Lawford previously Minnery M. S. > Charters (deceased). Cause of death Senile decay cardiac failure as > certified by D. B. Davidson, M.B. CHR. Informant Ann Daley daughter > (present). > > Name, Age, Mother's name, year died, film information, Parish name. > MENARY, George William, 0, Bailley, 1856, 821/1, 140, Dumfries Bridge. > MANARY, William, 26, Lade, 1856, 821/1, 70, Dumfries Bridge. > MONARY, John, 2, Monary, 1856, 282/2, Dundee 2nd. > MINARY, David Williams, 1, Minary, 1859, 282/2, 939, Dundee 2nd. > MINERIE, John, 1, McKeever, 1861, 644/3, 310, Bridgeton Glasgow. > MINNERY, John, 7, McPhillips, 1863, 572, 51, Neilston. > MINNORY, James, 1865, 644/10, 1175, Hutchesontown Glasgow. > MINNERY, Robert, 0, 1867, 572/2, 51, Barrhead. > MANNERY, Peter, 4, 1868, 282/5, 250, Lochee Dundee. > MANARIE, Samuel, 55, 1869, 600/26, Kirkland Ayr. > MANARY, James, 5, 1869, 282/2, 541, St. Mary Dundee. > MINARY, Robert, 7, 1871, 282/2, 379, St. Mary Dundee. > MINNERY, Robert, 0, 1871, 572/2, 93, Barrhead. > MENARY, James, 50, 1877, 282/2, 440, St. Mary Dundee. > MENERY, John, 7, 1877, 644/14, Kining Park. > MINNERY, William, 31, 1881, 572/2, 26, Barrhead and Levin. > MENARY, Robert, 35, 1882, 252/2, 9, St. Mary Dundee. > MENARY, Alexander Wels, 0, 1883, 820, 41, Dryfesdale. > MENARY, George, 64, 1885, 821, 73, Dumfries. > MANERY, James, 0, 1886, 282/1, 372, St. Peter, Dundee. > MINARIE, John, 60, 1886, 646/2, 624, Govan. > MENARY, Andrew, 38, 1887, 821, 61, Dumfries. > > I stopped at 1891. > > ***Census year 1891, RD 821/00, ED 015/000: > Dumfries, St. Michaels' Parish 13 Burns St. > Maria Menary, head, widow, 67 yrs, born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Rebecca, dau, 37 yrs, Queen weaver, born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > George, son, wdr, 35, coach ?, born England. > William, son, unmarried, 27, coach wheeler, , born Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > George, grandson, 7, scholar, born ?burghshire, Jedburgh. > > ***Census year 1891, RD 821/00, ED 015/000: > Dumfries, St. Michaels' Parish > St. Michaels' St. Margaret Menary, hd, Wd, 39, woollen minder, b. > Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Sarah, dau, 17, woollen marker, born ?burghshire, Maxwelltown. > George, son, 15, Woollen minder, b. Dumfrieshire, Dumfries. > Andrew, son, 13, scholer, born ? Monmaer. > Mary, dau, 11, scholer, bron ? Maxwelltown. > Meaghin, dau, 6, scholer, born Highlandshire ?. > Mary Welch, sister, 33, Millworker Woollen ?, born , b. Dumfrieshire, > Dumfries.