Hi Trudie Many thanks for what appears to be a major breakthrough for me! I am probably the only lister who doesn't know, but can someone tell me what a BVRI 2nd edition is please? My thanks to everyone for their helpful facts about the Irish in Scotland. The last child of Thomas and Jane was Annie, born 1870 in Campsie Stirling. The family lived in Pendlebury Lancs by the 1881 census. Best wishes Chris -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm