Hi List, recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at Fromelles. The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott civil engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April 1893 at Perth I copy the information that Rhoda has found It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son Robert. The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the Bridgeton district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I looked at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon GRIEVE who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son of Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and Janet BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St Ninians Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged 69. Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at the images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before 1893. There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 census, a marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. This is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living in the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a job in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were William GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They may have been Christian's brothers. Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living in Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a Road Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil engineer. I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his parents. "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July 1916: 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at "Thornhill, Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow in the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is where Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? This is the biography from the tree: Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill School, Perthshire, Scotland Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm hand Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, Scotland Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), Perth, Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia Rank on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM Embarkation Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd Bn (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two ships, HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion Fate Killed in Action 20 July 1916 Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot I, Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian War Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: Andrew and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Other details War service: Egypt, Western Front Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December 1915, of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on deck: awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July 1916. Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To be reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. 32. A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German death list dated 4-11-16.' Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October 1924: ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave 46. As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, regimental particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a permanent memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity of the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from the inscription on this stone.' Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file (p. 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff Red Cross file 24401 Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. Does anyone know? Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia