PLEASE HOLD- DID NOT MEAN TO SEND ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> To: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > Listers > > Good questions, but we're already getting into deep waters. > > Mitochondrial dna is really quite simple, but don't worry about what it > is. It's a wee bit of nothing in your dna that get's passed on UNCHANGED > (most of the time) from your morher. And mostly it is not of direct > concern to genealogists because it gives a far deeper pciture than most of > us get to. It has been used to show, for instance, that there is less > difference between folks in the various parts of the UK than we were > brought up to think. It has also been used to show that folks from the UK > are, in general, more closely related to folks from Friesland than to any > others on the continent. > > But, as I said above, it gets passed on unchanged only most of the time. > Every once in a while a change happens, and then it gets passed on. And > that's what makes it somewhat interesting because it sorts people into > lines that can get grouped and traced. > > And in some places where there is really detailed information available, > not just on the female line, and not just on the male line, but on the > whole genome (like Iceland), it can in fact be used to trace family lines. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk> > To: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; > <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:10 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> Hello List >> i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from >> a >> genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g >> grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm >> not >> being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) >> >> I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to >> father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's >> mother >> so what will it tell me? >> >> Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA >> chat >> so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have >> absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) >> >> von >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> >> To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; >> <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >> 57 >> >> >>> >>> RE: DNA >>> >>> Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. >>> >>> The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. >>> The >>> most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's >>> mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you >>> about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell >>> you >>> about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters >>> get >>> exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it >>> on >>> to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but >>> keep >>> in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. >>> >>> Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line >>> and >>> it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will >>> take you to wherever he came from. >>> >>> Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. >>> And >>> then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that >>> will >>> also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments >>> having >>> a >>> genetic basis that we folks are prone to. >>> >>> Rod Wilson >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> >>> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM >>> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >>> 57 >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >>>> Fromelles. Her advice is: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, >>>> but >>>> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a >>>> daughter >>>> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it >>>> can >>>> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >>>> information, if necessary. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >>>> >>>>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Today's Topics: >>>>> >>>>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>>>> (Watson Family) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> Message: 1 >>>>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>>>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>>>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>>>> Fromelles 1916 >>>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>>> >>>>> Hi List, >>>>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>>>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>>>> Fromelles. >>>>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt >>>>> identify >>>>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland >>>>> 15th >>>>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>>>> civil >>>>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>>>> 1893 >>>>> at Perth >>>>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>>>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>>>> Robert. >>>>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>>>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>>>> Bridgeton >>>>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>>>> looked >>>>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>>>> GRIEVE >>>>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>>>> >>>>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the >>>>> son >>>>> of >>>>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). >>>>> Christian >>>>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>>>> Janet >>>>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>>>> Ninians >>>>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>>>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>>>> >>>>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>>>> 69. >>>>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>>>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>>>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>>>> >>>>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and >>>>> 1901. >>>>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked >>>>> at >>>>> the >>>>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>>>> 1893. >>>>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>>>> census, a >>>>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>>>> This >>>>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>>>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>>>> in >>>>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>>>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got >>>>> a >>>>> job >>>>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>>>> William >>>>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>>>> may >>>>> have been Christian's brothers. >>>>> >>>>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, >>>>> living >>>>> in >>>>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>>>> Road >>>>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a >>>>> civil >>>>> engineer. >>>>> >>>>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>>>> parents. >>>>> >>>>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>>>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>>> SCOTT >>>>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>>>> 1916: >>>>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next >>>>> of >>>>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>>>> "Thornhill, >>>>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a >>>>> widow >>>>> in >>>>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as >>>>> Andrew >>>>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>>>> where >>>>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>>>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>>>> >>>>> This is the biography from the tree: >>>>> >>>>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>>>> >>>>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>>>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>>>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>>>> hand >>>>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age >>>>> at >>>>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>>>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>>>> Scotland >>>>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>>>> Perth, >>>>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment >>>>> from >>>>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>>>> Rank >>>>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>>>> Embarkation >>>>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>>>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The >>>>> 32nd >>>>> Bn >>>>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>>>> ships, >>>>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>>>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>>>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>>>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>>>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>>>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>>>> Fate >>>>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>>>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place >>>>> of >>>>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>>>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery >>>>> (Plot >>>>> I, >>>>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>>>> War >>>>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>>>> Andrew >>>>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>>>> Other >>>>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>>>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>>>> 1915, >>>>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>>>> deck: >>>>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>>>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>>>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>>>> 1916. >>>>> >>>>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 >>>>> November >>>>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. >>>>> To >>>>> be >>>>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>>>> >>>>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>>>> 32. >>>>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>>>> >>>>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>>>> death >>>>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>>>> >>>>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>>>> 1924: >>>>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>>>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>>>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, >>>>> Grave >>>>> 46. >>>>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>>>> regimental >>>>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>>>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>>>> permanent >>>>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the >>>>> identity >>>>> of >>>>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, >>>>> from >>>>> the >>>>> inscription on this stone.' >>>>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>>>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: >>>>> charge >>>>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; >>>>> file >>>>> (p. >>>>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>>>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>>> Red Cross file 24401 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal >>>>> line. >>>>> Does anyone know? >>>>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>>>> to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>>>> body of the >>>>> email with no additional text. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>>> ************************************************ >>>> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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