Hello List i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from a genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm not being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's mother so what will it tell me? Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA chat so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) von ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > RE: DNA > > Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. > > The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. > The > most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's > mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you > about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell > you > about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters > get > exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it > on > to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but keep > in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. > > Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line > and > it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will > take you to wherever he came from. > > Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. > And > then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that > will > also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments having > a > genetic basis that we folks are prone to. > > Rod Wilson > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> > To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> >> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >> >> >> >> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >> Fromelles. Her advice is: >> >> >> >> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, but >> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a daughter >> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can >> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >> >> >> >> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >> information, if necessary. >> >> >> >> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >> >>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>> (Watson Family) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>> Fromelles 1916 >>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>> >>> Hi List, >>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>> Fromelles. >>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt identify >>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland 15th >>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>> civil >>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>> 1893 >>> at Perth >>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>> Robert. >>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>> Bridgeton >>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>> looked >>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>> GRIEVE >>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>> >>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the son >>> of >>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). Christian >>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>> Janet >>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>> Ninians >>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>> >>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>> 69. >>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>> >>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and 1901. >>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked at >>> the >>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>> 1893. >>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>> census, a >>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>> This >>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>> in >>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got a >>> job >>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>> William >>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>> may >>> have been Christian's brothers. >>> >>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living >>> in >>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>> Road >>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil >>> engineer. >>> >>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>> parents. >>> >>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>> SCOTT >>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>> 1916: >>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next of >>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>> "Thornhill, >>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow >>> in >>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as Andrew >>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>> where >>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>> >>> This is the biography from the tree: >>> >>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>> >>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>> hand >>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age at >>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>> Scotland >>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>> Perth, >>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from >>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>> Rank >>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>> Embarkation >>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The 32nd >>> Bn >>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>> ships, >>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>> Fate >>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of >>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery (Plot >>> I, >>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>> War >>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>> Andrew >>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>> Other >>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>> 1915, >>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>> deck: >>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>> 1916. >>> >>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 November >>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To >>> be >>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>> >>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>> 32. >>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>> >>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>> death >>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>> >>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>> 1924: >>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, Grave >>> 46. >>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>> regimental >>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>> permanent >>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the identity >>> of >>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from >>> the >>> inscription on this stone.' >>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge >>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file >>> (p. >>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>> Red Cross file 24401 >>> >>> >>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal line. >>> Does anyone know? >>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>> to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>> ************************************************ >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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Listers Good questions, but we're already getting into deep waters. Mitochondrial dna is really quite simple, but don't worry about what it is. It's a wee bit of nothing in your dna that get's passed on UNCHANGED (most of the time) from your morher. And mostly it is not of direct concern to genealogists because it gives a far deeper pciture than most of us get to. It has been used to show, for instance, that there is less difference between folks in the various parts of the UK than we were brought up to think. It has also been used to show that folks from the UK are, in general, more closely related to folks from Friesland than to any others on the continent. But, as I said above, it gets passed on unchanged only most of the time. Every once in a while a change happens, and then it gets passed on. And that's what makes it somewhat interesting because it sorts people into lines that can get grouped and traced. And in some places where there is really detailed information available, not just on the female line, and not just on the male line, but on the whole genome (like Iceland), it can in fact be used to trace family lines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vonnie" <vonnie@freeserve13.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca>; "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > Hello List > i know I am a dinasaur but I honestly don't get this DNA testing--- from a > genealogy point of view what does it tell me? Will it find my 7th g > grandfather? Will it finally prove = that I AM related to Rob Roy (I'm > not > being flipant - I;d love to "prove" that family line) > > I could come up with a male descendant through 8 generations- father to > father ( is that the preferred option?) Rod, you say is from one's mother > so what will it tell me? > > Been doing genealogy for many years and have just ignored all the DNA chat > so far - can someone enlighten me ( in really simple language as I have > absolutely no idea what mitochondrial means..!!!) > > von > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Wilson" <rodwil@shaw.ca> > To: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com>; <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 010 9:26 PM > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 > > >> >> RE: DNA >> >> Pam's advice is sort of ok, but let's say just a bit more. >> >> The main point is that different types of dna tests are now available. >> The >> most common is testing for mitochondrial dna, inherited only from one's >> mother. So stop right there and think about that. It will not tell you >> about any Viking rapists who briefly visited Dumfries; it will only tell >> you >> about your mother's line back into infinity. Both brothers and sisters >> get >> exactly the same cells from their mother, but the males will not pass it >> on >> to their kids. So you can mix genders in the current generation, but >> keep >> in mind that it is the female line you're looking at. >> >> Less commonly, one gets y chromosones tested, and this is the male line >> and >> it is males only. And if there is a transient in your ancestry, it will >> take you to wherever he came from. >> >> Most of us are probably interested in getting both types of tests done. >> And >> then if you want to spend a bit more, you can get a broad analysis that >> will >> also indicate your chances of coming down with the various ailments >> having >> a >> genetic basis that we folks are prone to. >> >> Rod Wilson >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Pam Eaton" <pameaton45@hotmail.com> >> To: <dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2010 3:30 AM >> Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue >> 57 >> >> >>> >>> Re the undermentioned DNA inquiry. >>> >>> >>> >>> My daughter is assisting authorities with DNA for Australians at >>> Fromelles. Her advice is: >>> >>> >>> >>> "DNA can be taken from either the descendants of a brother or sister, >>> but >>> the line must follow the same sex. So the descendant must be a >>> daughter >>> of a sister; or daughter of a daughter of a sister. Alternatively it can >>> be the son of a brother, or a son of a son of a brother." >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope this makes sense but my daughter is happy to provide any further >>> information, if necessary. >>> >>> >>> >>> Pam Eaton (Queensland, Australia) >>> >>>> From: dumfries-galloway-request@rootsweb.com >>>> Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 01:02:19 -0600 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died Fromelles 1916 >>>> (Watson Family) >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> Message: 1 >>>> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:50:38 +0800 >>>> From: Watson Family <watsonb@iinet.com.au> >>>> Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] re Robert Grieve Moncrief Scott died >>>> Fromelles 1916 >>>> To: dumfries-galloway@rootsweb.com >>>> Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.1.20100427164116.01c18840@mail.iinet.net.au> >>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >>>> >>>> Hi List, >>>> recently I sent a request to the Edinburgh list in an attempt to find >>>> relations of this soldier whose remains were in a mass grave at >>>> Fromelles. >>>> The army are trying to find relations so they can without doubt >>>> identify >>>> this soldier. Robert Grieve Moncrieff Scott was born Perth Scotland >>>> 15th >>>> Jan 1895 at 175 South St Perth. His father was Andrew Moncrieff Scott >>>> civil >>>> engineer and his mother Christian Bryden Grieve they married 5th April >>>> 1893 >>>> at Perth >>>> I copy the information that Rhoda has found >>>> It looks as if Christian was living in Glasgow in 1901 with her son >>>> Robert. >>>> The 1901 Census has a Christian/Christina SCOTT aged 36 born Killin, >>>> Perthshire and her son Robert aged 6, born Perth, living in the >>>> Bridgeton >>>> district of Glasgow. Christina was a hospital nurse and a widow. I >>>> looked >>>> at the marriage entry on Scotlands People, and the Christian Brydon >>>> GRIEVE >>>> who married Andrew M SCOTT was a hospital nurse. >>>> >>>> According to the marriage entry, Andrew Moncrieff SCOTT, 30, was the >>>> son >>>> of >>>> Andrew SCOTT, Banker, deceased and Maggie MONCRIEF (deceased). >>>> Christian >>>> GRIEVE, 29, was the daughter of Robert Grieve, farmer (deceased), and >>>> Janet >>>> BRYDON/BRYDEN (deceased). Andrew and Christian were married in St >>>> Ninians >>>> Cathedral, Perth, in a Scottish episcopalian ceremony. Andrew was a >>>> Bachelor, and Christian a spinster. >>>> >>>> Christina Bryden SCOTT m.s.GRIEVE died in Kier, Dumfries in 1932, aged >>>> 69. >>>> Her sister, M H GRIEVE (presumably unmarried), was the informant. Ir >>>> appears that Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT was an only child unless of >>>> course Andrew didn't die or was a bigamist........ >>>> >>>> I can't find a death for Andrew Scott in Scotland between 1894 and >>>> 1901. >>>> There are 2 who could be him on the SP death index, but I have looked >>>> at >>>> the >>>> images and they are not him. And not easy to find Andrew SCOTT before >>>> 1893. >>>> There was an unmarried Andrew Scott, 29, born Glasgow, in the 1891 >>>> census, a >>>> marine (not civil) engineer and a patient in Glasgow Royal Infirmary. >>>> This >>>> is a possibility I suppose; Christian may have been a nurse in the >>>> Infirmary. However in 1891, Christian was an "unemployed nurse" living >>>> in >>>> the house of her Uncle Thomas GRIEVE, 64. born Westerkirk, Dumfries, a >>>> farmer in Innerwick, Glen Lyon, Perthshire. I suppose she may have got >>>> a >>>> job >>>> in Glasgow Royal Infirmary later that year. Also in the house were >>>> William >>>> GRIEVE, 29, and James GRIEVE, 24, both nephews of Thomas Grieve. They >>>> may >>>> have been Christian's brothers. >>>> >>>> Also in 1891, I found an Andrew M SCOTT, born Scotland abt 1863, living >>>> in >>>> Cardiff with his wife Elizabeth, born in the Channel Islands. He was a >>>> Road >>>> Contractor's Manager which I suppose could translate loosely as a civil >>>> engineer. >>>> >>>> I can't find a birth for Andrew Moncrieff Scott nor a marriage for his >>>> parents. >>>> >>>> "I have just looked for Andrew Moncrieff Scott on the public trees on >>>> Ancestry.com and have copied this biography of Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>> SCOTT >>>> from one of the trees. It has been placed on a tree called "19th July >>>> 1916: >>>> 5th Division". Note that according to the details he gave of his next >>>> of >>>> kin, his father was still alive when he enlisted, and living at >>>> "Thornhill, >>>> Perthshire, Scotland", despite his mother describing herself as a widow >>>> in >>>> the 1901 census. And later down the biog his parents are named as >>>> Andrew >>>> and Christian SCOTT of Upper Kier, Thornyhill, Dumfriesshire. This is >>>> where >>>> Christian died in 1932. I suggest we move this topic to the >>>> Perthshire/Dumfriesshire lists? >>>> >>>> This is the biography from the tree: >>>> >>>> Robert Grieve Moncrieff SCOTT >>>> >>>> Regimental number 1046 Place of birth Perth, Scotland School Thornhill >>>> School, Perthshire, Scotland >>>> Age on arrival in Australia 18 Religion Presbyterian Occupation Farm >>>> hand >>>> Address Perth GPO, Perth, Western Australia Marital status Single Age >>>> at >>>> embarkation 21 Height 5' 9.5" Weight 136 lbs >>>> Next of kin Father, Andrew Moncrieff Scott, Thornhill, Perthshire, >>>> Scotland >>>> Previous military service Served in the Senior Cadets (Area 88 B), >>>> Perth, >>>> Western Australia. Enlistment date 17 July 1915 Date of enlistment from >>>> Nominal Roll 10 July 1915 Place of enlistment Perth, Western Australia >>>> Rank >>>> on enlistment Private Unit name 32nd Battalion, C Company AWM >>>> Embarkation >>>> Roll number 23/49/1 Embarkation details Unit embarked from Fremantle, >>>> Western Australia, on board HMAT A13 Katuna on 24 November 1915 The >>>> 32nd >>>> Bn >>>> (Headquarters, Signallers, A, B, C, and D Companies) embarked on two >>>> ships, >>>> HMAT A2 'Geelong', on 18 November 1915, and HMAT A13 'Katuna', on 24 >>>> November 1915. The Embarkation Roll does not distinguish between these >>>> ships, and it is therefore not possible from the Embarkation Roll to >>>> ascertain on which ship an individual embarked. Those who enlisted in >>>> Western Australia embarked at Fremantle (date not recorded). >>>> Rank from Nominal Roll Private Unit from Nominal Roll 32nd Battalion >>>> Fate >>>> Killed in Action 20 July 1916 >>>> Miscellaneous details (Nominal Roll) *Given name Robert Grieve Place of >>>> death or wounding Fromelles, France Age at death 21 Age at death from >>>> cemetery records 21 Place of burial Rue-Petillon Military Cemetery >>>> (Plot >>>> I, >>>> Row L, Grave No. 46), France Panel number, Roll of Honour, Australian >>>> War >>>> Memorial 121 Miscellaneous information fromcemetery records Parents: >>>> Andrew >>>> and Christian SCOTT, Upper Keir, Thornhyill, Dumfriesshire, Scotland >>>> Other >>>> details War service: Egypt, Western Front >>>> Embarked Fremantle, 24 November 1915; found guilty, at sea, 3 December >>>> 1915, >>>> of failing to comply with ship's regulation viz: leaving hammock on >>>> deck: >>>> awarded 1 extra guard; disembarked Suez, 18 December 1915.Embarked >>>> Alexandria to join the British Expeditionary Force, 17 June 1916; >>>> disembarked Marseilles, France, 23 June 1916.Reported missing, 20 July >>>> 1916. >>>> >>>> Identification disc received from Germany (German Death List, 4 >>>> November >>>> 1916). No particulars were afforded except that soldier is deceased. To >>>> be >>>> reported as KILLED IN ACTION 20/7/16. >>>> >>>> German report, 2 August 1916: 'austr. Sold. Scott, R.G.M. Nr. 1046. C. >>>> 32. >>>> A.I.F. am 19.7.16 in Gegen Fromelles gefallen.' >>>> >>>> Note on Red Cross File No 2440110: 'The above name appeared on German >>>> death >>>> list dated 4-11-16.' >>>> >>>> Letter, Imperial War Graves Commission, London, to mother, 10 October >>>> 1924: >>>> ' ... it has been necessary to renumber certain graves in Rue Petillon >>>> Military Cemetery and that in consequence the full number of the grave >>>> believed to be that of Private R.G. M. Scott is now Plot 1, Row L, >>>> Grave >>>> 46. >>>> As you are aware the grave is marked by a cross bearing the name, >>>> regimental >>>> particulrs and date of death of Private Scott, preceded by the words >>>> "Believed to be." This cross will in due course be replaced by a >>>> permanent >>>> memorial, and, should no subsequent doubt have arisen as to the >>>> identity >>>> of >>>> the grave, the words "Believed to be" can be omitted, if you wish, from >>>> the >>>> inscription on this stone.' >>>> Medals: 1914-15 Star, British War Medal, Victory Medal >>>> Miscellaneous details Conflicting details regarding embarkation: charge >>>> sheet (file p. 35) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT A2 'Geelong'; file >>>> (p. >>>> 37) gives ship of embarkation as HMAT 'Katuna' from Fremantle. >>>> Sources NAA: B2455, SCOTT Robert Grieve Moncrieff >>>> Red Cross file 24401 >>>> >>>> >>>> Rhoda wasn't sure but she thought DNA had to come for the paternal >>>> line. >>>> Does anyone know? >>>> Cheers Marilyn from Western Australia >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> >>>> To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-admin@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email >>>> to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY@rootsweb.com. >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY-request@rootsweb.com >>>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>>> body of the >>>> email with no additional text. >>>> >>>> >>>> End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 5, Issue 57 >>>> ************************************************ >>> >>> _________________________________________________________________ >>> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. 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