Hi Tony Thank you. Have just found this family was from Dumfries over the past couple of days. Found a tree on Ancestry yesterday and there was some good info there. Nicholas CARRUTHERS was the mother of Kate ROSS ms CARRUTHERS. Nicholas' father was David, and his father, David, and his father, Daved. Can become confusing with all these Davids :) Nicholas was born 08 May 1803 in Kirkpatrick Juxta, Dumfries-shire, Scotland. The IGI have 08 May 1803 as her christening date. I have the birth rego that states 08/05/1803...although, I think, it looks more of a 1st than an 8th in the handwritten part of the document. David does have a brother, William CARRUTHERS, b. 03 October 1771, Johnstone, Dumfries-shire. Their parents are David and Cathrain/Katharine CARRUTHERS ms CARRUTHERS. At this stage I don't have source documentation for William, or David, and I don't have marriage details for William, either. So, I don't know whether your William and my David are siblings, or not. I did a search through the archives of this list and found quite a number of CARRUTHERS mentioned. Have done some research on Ancestry, some on Scotland's People and some on the IGI to find the family details I now have. Jeni Hi Jeni, A very tenuous connection and maybe a total red herring. Researching my son in law's family, I find that he has a 4th Gt Grandmother - Frances (aka Fanny) CARRUTHERS who married a Richard Bell in Dumfries-shire. Their daughter, Janet Bell, was born in Kirklandrigg, Dalton, Dumfries-shire in 1829. Fanny's death certificate shows her as 59yrs at her death in 1863 in Midlothian. This gives Fanny a birth date of abt 1804. Fanny's father is listed as William CARRUTHERS (he must have been born around 1780 - ish) (a brother of your David ??) and her mother as Jane Park. The name CARRUTHERS pops up quite frequently in Dumfries-shire. When Fanny's daughter, Janet, married in Kirkpatrick Flemming in 1855, the Registrar's name was John CARRUTHERS. When Fanny's husband, Richard Bell, died in Dumfries-shire in 1860 the surgeon notifying his death was James CARRUTHERS Hope this may help some. Best wishes, Tony.