In reply to Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 from Lesley in Tasmania regarding the Greierson family. I am a direct descendant of Helen Grierson born abt. 1655, daughter of William Grierson and Janet Watson. Helen died 11 October 1704 all O.P.R. Dumfries. Helen married John Glendinning who was born abt. 1659 and died 9 February 1737 all O.P.R. Dumfries Furthermore, John Glendinning's mother was Agnes Affleck born abt. 1635, daughter of Robert Affleck. Agnes married James Glendinning born abt. 1630 and died before 1714. This is all very premature to "your" ROBERT GRIERSON, his will dated 1835 but somehow, there may be a mutual link. Any likely validity do you think? My! Tracing ancestry is intriguing. Pam Eaton Murrumba Downs, Queensland > From: [email protected] > Subject: DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 01:02:05 -0600 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Lesley Fiedler) > 2. Re: Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Irene Macleod) > 3. Fw: NATURAL vs ILLEGITMATE terminology on birth cert. > (Maisie Egger) > 4. Re: Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family (Imchad Ancestry) > 5. Very Usefull Web Site on Kircudbright (Lesley Fiedler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:10:38 +1000 > From: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its an area or a Farm > > Piggots 1837 have it as > Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > > > his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was > GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 > > > Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson > sons Robert & John were Tanners and later Grocers > daughters Henrietta & Catharine > > > > > 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding Maxwelltown) - > > Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - > Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - > Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in Ancestry census ) > Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - > Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - > > John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - > Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of John) > Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John > William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John > > > > > 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] > > > > any help appreciated > Lesley in Tasmania > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 12:55:20 +0100 > From: Irene Macleod <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Hi > > Putting Palmerston, Kirkcudbright brought up several websites one of which > was > > http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/scotland/dumfries+and+galloway/B > > This gives a list of Grade B listed buildings and one of them was > > *42 Terregles Street, Palmerston House, Gatepiers and Garden > Walls*<http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/sc-26347-42-terregles-street-palmerston-house-gate> > Grade B > Terregles Street, Dumfries, Dumfries and Galloway > > so it looks as if Palmerston House was at 42 Terregles St, which although > part of what is loosely called Dumfries is actually west of the river and > therefore in the county of Kirkcudbright. > > If you use the modern google map and move the little figure to get street > view you can see what might be the house ...can't quite get the number plate > magnified enough to be sure it's 42. > > Irene > > On 3 July 2011 12:10, wrote: > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 10:46:33 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Fw: NATURAL vs ILLEGITMATE terminology on > birth cert. > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Now here's another one on my "Upstairs Downstairs---Downton Abbey" housekeeper "soap opera" that needs a little thinking about. > > On her birth certificate in 1852 it indicates that she is the NATURAL daughter of this 48-year-old tenant farmer in Kirkcudbrightshire. (He was never married, so he was also likely otherwise busy farming between 300-600 acres which may have belonged to the Earl of Selkirk!). However, the birth of two males on the same page are recorded as ILLEGITIMATE sons to other unmarried couples in the same area of Rerrick, KKB.. > > Was there a reason why the female is recorded as the NATURAL daughter, but males are shown as ILLEGITIMATE? Had the authorities become "sensitive" to stigmatising girls this way, even back in 1852? Were females more likely to suffer the consequences of being born under such circumstances than males? > > On other documents I have there is no hesitation in labeling female and male children illegitimate on the birth certs. > > The "natural" born child went on to climb the domestic servant ladder by becoming a housekeeper in some very impressive homes in Lancashire, but somehow ended up in Croydon, Surrey, presumably in a less modest place than a "Downton Abbey." The coroner's inquest two days after her death at the age of 50 indicated that she fractured her skull from an accidental fall. > > Her son, also born out of wedlock (can't find who his father was, and whether he was "seeded" in Scotland or England is unknown), was taken care of by an aunt in the little village in Southwest Scotland where his mother came from, until he was maybe 16, and then he moved to England, presumably to be reunited with his mother. > > We do not know how this aunt supported him, but apparently the Kirk Session records will be available on Scotlandspeople this year, so more hunting to fill in more gaps, maybe. > > These are the events of which t.v. "soap operas" are created. If only I could write! > > Maisie > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2011 19:23:32 +0100 > From: "Imchad Ancestry" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > To: "'Lesley Fiedler'" <[email protected]>, > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Lesley > > Palmerston house was the home of William Primrose who bought the > estate and mansion house of Palmerston in the early 1800s. Palmerston house > became a hotel (I have fond memories of that) but it was destroyed by a fire > in the early 1970s. The gateposts are all that remain and the estate is now > covered with houses. No doubt the estate would have cottages but I doubt if > any remain. Queen of the South Football Club play at Palmerston Park, just > a couple of hundred yards away and which was probably part of the original > estate. > > The Primrose family are well documented. They had a Tanning business in the > beginning. Primrose and Gordon, Solicitors in Dumfries, were established by > Peter Primrose from the same family. > > Best wishes > > Ian A McClumpha > Researching Scottish Family History; please look at our website> > www.imchad.freeola.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Lesley Fiedler > Sent: 03 July 2011 12:11 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Palmerston Dumfries Grierson family > > Does anyone have knowledge of PALMERSTON in 1841 1851 this was the home > of my Grierson family 1861 noted as Palmerston Cottage so not sure if its > an area or a Farm > > Piggots 1837 have it as > Palmerston Terregles Street Maxwelltown > > > his will dated 1835 does not say exactly what Palmerston was > GRIERSON ROBERT 12/10/1835 RESIDED AT PALMERSTON > KIRKCUDBRIGHT SHERIFF COURT SC16/41/9 > > > Henrietta nee Cavan widow of farmer Robert Grierson sons Robert & John were > Tanners and later Grocers daughters Henrietta & Catharine > > > > > 1841 Stewartry of Kirkcudbright - 1841 - Parish of Troqueer - (excluding > Maxwelltown) - > > Henrietta Grierson, age 54 - Palmerston - > Jean Grierson, age 26 - Palmerston - > Robert Grierson, (Farmer) - Palmerston - (noted as Tanner age 23 in > Ancestry census ) > Henrietta Grierson, age 19 - Palmerston - > Catherine Grierson, age 15 - Palmerston - > > John Grierson, age 25, (Tanner) - born Scotland - Palmerston - > Johanna (Porteous) Grierson, age 25, born Scotland - Palmerston - (wife of > John) > Robert Grierson, age 02 - Palmerston - son of John > William Grierson, age 05 months - Palmerston - son of John > > > > > 1819 Woods Map has Mr Affleck Palmerston Terregles Street > Maxwelltown > Off Terregles Street. Probably John Affleck, Provost of Maxwelltown, whose > memorial is recorded in Lochrutton Churchyard.: he died on 4th May 1836 in > the 54th year of his age - his wife was Janet Fraser, she died 7th January > 1837 aged 65 years [Lochrutton Memorials, No 63] > > > > any help appreciated > Lesley in Tasmania > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2011 15:14:53 +1000 > From: Lesley Fiedler <[email protected]> > Subject: [DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY] Very Usefull Web Site on Kircudbright > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > http://www.kirkcudbright.co/index.asp > > I came across this in my recent searches for info on my Greirson family > > its a great source of info > > Lesley in Tasmania > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of DUMFRIES-GALLOWAY Digest, Vol 6, Issue 69 > ************************************************